Will I need a new Crush Sleeve?

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I am replacing the yoke on my 489 case 8 3/4 center section. I will change the seal at the same time. Once I remove the yoke nut and remove the yoke, given I need to re-torque the pinion nut after the swap, am I going to have an issue with the crush sleeve that is currently installed if it is re-torqued? I can imagine the chance of getting it exactly the same as when it was initially torqued is slim.

Is this an issue or am I over thinking it?
 
FSM procedure is to check rotational force in inch pounds . Install new seal and using the recorded inch pound reading make sure pinion nut is at least 210 ft pounds and the rotational reading is the same with no more than 5 inch pounds more. If you exceed this a new crush sleeve must be used.

I always use Loctite red on a new pinion nut.

Just did a dodge ram today and used same method, worked great.
 
If U torque the nut to 210 the crush sleeve will crush more and U will have too much pinion bearing preload
 
I have always replaced my crush sleeve whenever I pull apart the pinion. Its cheap insurance for me.
 
On my Wrangler changing out the pinion seal I did the old "count the threads and index mark the nut" shown in this picture. Ran the nut tight to the same position and no problems so far a year later. Just be careful not to further crush the crush tube. Probably not the "Proper" way but it worked for me.
 

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I'm sorry, but I've seen this (pic) a few dozen times, pinion came loose and fell into the carrier, usually 489, 8 1/4, and a few other breeds, so I'm not comfy reusing an old sleeve without a shim, or replacing it with new.

Back in the day when we were putting in a coupla gearsets a week, mopar ran outta crush sleeves, and on backorder, so my mentor went next door to a machine shop, and had a few dozen .010 shims made to fit over the pinion. From that day on, whenever we needed a new sleeve, we pulled the seal and front bearing, added the shim to the old sleeve and re-torqued to 240.

Pinion Flange Nut: Minimum Torque

Small Pinion 120

Tapered Pinion 170

Large Pinion 240

http://www.mopar1.us/875rear.html

We found the 240 torque was the same as the ferd/chebie crush torque, and the pinion had acceptable rotational drag.

Just what I learned thru experience ( see signature below)

hope it helps ... cheers
 

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If U torque the nut to 210 the crush sleeve will crush more and U will have too much pinion bearing preload

I would just make sure the initial rotational torque reading in inch pounds is the same. That 210 number is quoted from a Chrysler factory service manual for a 489 diff.
 
210 lb/ft from the manual is with a NEW crush sleeve, nothing in the manual about a used sleeve.
 
Copied and pasted from Factory Service Manual:

REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT OF DRIVE
PINION FLANGE AND OIL SEAL IN VEHICLE
On large stem carriers which use the collapsible
spacer to obtain pinion bearing preload, the following
procedure for the removal and replacement of the
drive pinion flange and pinion oil seal must be followed
to assure that the proper bearing preload is

maintained in the axle assembly. If this procedure is
not followed it could result in a premature failure of
the axle.
(1) Raise vehicle on hoist and make scribe marks
on propeller shaft, shaft universal joint, drive pinion
flange and end of pinion stem.
(2) Disconnect propeller shaft at pinion flange and
secure in an upright position to prevent damage to
front universal joint.
(3) Remove the rear wheels and brake drums to
prevent any drag or a possible false preload reading
could occur.
(4) Using inch-pound torque wrench C-685-A measure
pinion bearing preload by rotating pinion with
handle of wrench floating, read the torque while
wrench is moving through several complete revolutions
and record. This operation is very important
because preload must be carefully reset when reassembling.
(5) With Tool C-3281 hold companion flange and
remove drive pinion nut and Belleville washer.
(6) Install companion flange remover Tool C-452
and remove flange. Lower rear of vehicle to prevent
lubricant leakage.
(7) Using a screwdriver and hammer, remove the
pinion oil seal from the carrier and clean the oil seal
seat.
(8) Check splines on pinion shaft stem to be sure
they are free of burrs or are not worn badly. If burrs
are evident remove them using crocus cloth by working
in a rotational motion. Wipe the pinion shaft
clean.
(9) Inspect companion flange for cracks, worn
splines, pitted, rough or corroded oil seal contacting
surface. Repair or replace companion flange as necessary.
(10) Apply a light coat of sealer in seal bore of
carrier and install drive pinion oil seal into carrier
using Tool C-4109 or C-3980 (Double lip synthetic
rubber oil seal) or Tool C-3656 (single lip leather oil
seal). The proper tool must be used in order to prop-
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3-44 REAR AXLE
erly position the seal the correct depth into the carrier
casting.
(11) Position companion flange on pinion stem
being careful to match scribe marks made previously
before removal.
(12) Install companion flange with installing Tool
C-496 or DD-999 and holding Tool C-3281.
(13) Remove tool and install Belleville washer
(convex side of washer out) and pinion nut.
(14) Hold universal joint flange with holding Tool
C-3281 and tighten pinion nut to 210 foot-pounds.
Rotate pinion several complete revolutions to assure
that bearing rollers are properly seated. Using an
inch-pound torque wrench C-685-A measure pinion
bearing preload. Continue tightening pinion nut and
checking preload until preload is at the original established
setting you found in step 4. Under no circumstances
should the preload be more than 5 inchpounds
over the established setting found at time of
checking in step 4 of procedure.
Bearing preload should be uniform during a complete
revolution. A preload reading that varies during
rotation indicates a binding condition which has to be
corrected. The assembly is unacceptable if final pinion
nut torque is below 210 foot-pounds or pinion bearing
preload is not within the correct specifications.
CAUTION: Never back off the pinion nut to lessen
pinion bearing preload. If the desired preload is exceeded
a new collapsible spacer must be installed and
nut retightened until proper preload is obtained. In
addition, the universal joint flange must never be
hammered on, or power tools used.
(15) Install propeller shaft (match scribe marks
on propeller shaft universal joint and pinion flange).
Tighten clamp screws to 15 foot-pounds.
(16) Install the rear brake drums and wheels and
tighten nuts 65 foot-pounds.
(17) Raise the vehicle to a level position so axle
assembly is at correct running position and check
lubricant level.
 
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