WIW: 69 Barracuda Formula S

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Turbo224

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Stumbled upon a 69 Barracuda Formula S car earlier this week and the owner is looking to sell. He didn't give me a price and asked me what I thought it was worth. I had no idea what to offer him. The car is white with blue interior, numbers matching motor, and in excellent shape. Its also fairly well optioned with a/c, power brakes, center console, tinted glass, auto trans. Only visible rust issue were the lower rear quarters. Any suggestions?





 
That's one of those crap shoots. Car can be worth $25k or only $5k Does the engine run or at least crank over? The picture does't show the inner fender very well but it looks to have surface rust on the drivers side. What do the seats look like under the covers? Still alot of variables. That's why the wide spread on worth.
 

Need to take into account the grills and the deck panel. Both are unique to the Formula S and are very expensive and repros typically are not as good.
 
That's one of those crap shoots. Car can be worth $25k or only $5k Does the engine run or at least crank over? The picture does't show the inner fender very well but it looks to have surface rust on the drivers side. What do the seats look like under the covers? Still alot of variables. That's why the wide spread on worth.

There is surface rust on a number of areas, but none of it is serious. Engine does run according to the owner. The interior is in excellent condition. The back seat has a split in the seat cover. I did not remove the front seat covers, but I assume they aren't perfect.

Need to take into account the grills and the deck panel. Both are unique to the Formula S and are very expensive and repros typically are not as good.

I didn't realize they were formula s specific or I would have taken a closer look.


Odometer reads 58k I believe.
 
5 grand as is, unknown. AS long as it is a Formula car, need fender tag. you never know. And am I wrong but isn't the alt in a weird place? And MC look wrong too. I might be wrong cant see pics very good.
 
It's hard to say. Those pictures really bite. Looks like manifolds are missing. If it's Rust Free. I would think 8-10k.
 
The master cylinder looks very much like mine and the alternator is in an odd location. Also don't see the a/c compressor. Looks like it also has the deluxe interior. Bobby
 
Very desirable car if numbers match . Looks to be mostly original but in need of a complete restoration. Definite under hood issues with alternator relocation( sitting way to high) and what looks like missing AC components. Seat covers over original upholstery is generally never a good sign. If motor turns over freely other mechanicals like brakes & rear are original and she has a clear title would think 5 to 6 grand max. Of course I'm like frank on pickers show. Need a little meat on the bones.

Oldschoolcuda
 
turbo225...

i'm an older guy with quite a bit of knowledge and experience with 67-69 barracudas. i have three (2 68's and a 69) and am taking delivery of a fourth (another 69) in a couple of weeks. i spent 2500 hours restoring one of the 68's last year. i also have an extensive library of literature and pictures of these cars and have followed the sales markets for at least 5 years.

the car you've posted is a very good car to restore. here are the positive aspects of this car:
1. the body is complete with all sheet metal, glass, and trim. given the condition of what can be seen, i would bet there are no major rust issues.
2. the interior is complete. this car has the optional deluxe interior, optional head rests, and optional "dress up" brake and gas pedal. the dash is intake and has not been cut out around the radio. that was done in many of these cars because chrysler was the only company that ever used roller wheels on a radio rather than knobs and shafts. you could not buy an after market "roller wheel" radio and if you did buy a better radio (with a "cassette" player) you had to cut the radio area out square. just the dash in this car is now worth around $300.00. you should ask the seller to take the sheering wheel wrap off to see if this is a blue plastic wheel or the more desirable and optional wood rally wheel. this car also has the original air conditioning vent under the dash.
3. the car has the original radiator and several other original OEM items including, optional power break booster (which may mean that it has the optional front disc brakes - if so, that's a pretty valuable option.). the car most likely also has power steering, which is a very desirable option. the air conditioner hoses look OEM as are (i believe) the windshield washer tank and radiator overflow tank. most of the rest of the engine bay looks stock.
4. this car looks like it might be a survivor - meaning that it still has original paint and original stripes. "survivor" cars are very popular currently and are bringing more money in some cases as restored cars. if it is a survivor and you buy this car, you SHOULD NOT do anything to the car until you talk to some people about whether or not to restore it or try and save the survivor looks. remember, "it is only original once."
5. all in all, this is a VERY good car to start on. cars as complete and as in as good as condition as this one are HARD to find.

the negative points of this car:

1. i would bet a 100 dollar bill that this car DOES NOT have its original engine. in fact, i would also bet the engine is not a 340. the majority of 69 mopar 340s were painted orange. there have been a few "chrysler turquoise" 69 340s found but i do not believe this is one of them. if i were to guess, i would say the original motor is long gone and it was replaced with a 318. that's what this motor looks like.
2. you need to find out what the condition of the under chassis is especially the front and rear frame rails. if any of the rails are bad, you have to have a shop replace them unless you are very good with a welder.
3. there probably is no fender tag in the engine bay. having the original fender tag increases the value of the car a great deal.
4. someone cut up the original "unsilenced" air cleaner - which was a crazy thing to do.

in summary, one of my 68s and one of the 69s were "drivers" in very good condition when they came off the shipping truck. i purchased those cars 7-8 years ago and paid i think 12k and 14k respectfully. the 68 is a 340 4sp and the 69 is a 383 4sp. based upon what i've seen in the market over the last few years, i don't think i could buy those cars now for less than $15k, probably around $18k.

without hearing this car run, i would pay $8k for the car with no worry at all assuming that there is no major rust damage under the car. if the car has a 318 running or not, the motor is a negative and has to be pulled out. if you kept this "a survivor" and just bought a 340, you could bring this car back as a decent driver for around $10k. if you're wanting to do a "museum" quality restoration like some guys want, you're looking at $30-50k depending upon how crazy you want to be.

if you are looking for a barracuda this car is a very good place to start.

jim coster
pittsburgh, pa
 
Fender tag should have A53 code. Tail panel should be black as should the plastic ovals in the grills. Air cleaner is incorrect for 69 as well. Chk #'s on engine and tranny. $12-15 K is my guesstimate.
 
The car is intriguing for sure.

It is missing badging but a nice color combo if it matches the fender tag. It appears as white with brite blue deluxe interior.

Under hood drives the price down for sure. There is some non stock funk there!

If you can confirm some options and colors based on the tag it might be a good catch.

Price is hard to figure based on the data given.
 
On the picture of the open door. Is that the VIN tag? If so that is a 67 as the tag was moved in 68 to the dash.
 
Both my 68 and 69 chargers had a sticker in the drivers side door jamb where you are saying it may be a vin plate. The sticker said something about the car being compliant with all motor vehicle safety standards for the year of manufacture. It was a black decal with silver lettering i believe. I can check my 69 notch to verify but i am almost 99% certain thats what it is.

I am sure the vin is on the dash. It was required to be there by federal law from 1968 up.

Car also has a B body washer fluid reservoir, but thats an easy fix.
 
turbo225...

i'm an older guy with quite a bit of knowledge and experience with 67-69 barracudas. i have three (2 68's and a 69) and am taking delivery of a fourth (another 69) in a couple of weeks. i spent 2500 hours restoring one of the 68's last year. i also have an extensive library of literature and pictures of these cars and have followed the sales markets for at least 5 years.

the car you've posted is a very good car to restore. here are the positive aspects of this car:
1. the body is complete with all sheet metal, glass, and trim. given the condition of what can be seen, i would bet there are no major rust issues.
2. the interior is complete. this car has the optional deluxe interior, optional head rests, and optional "dress up" brake and gas pedal. the dash is intake and has not been cut out around the radio. that was done in many of these cars because chrysler was the only company that ever used roller wheels on a radio rather than knobs and shafts. you could not buy an after market "roller wheel" radio and if you did buy a better radio (with a "cassette" player) you had to cut the radio area out square. just the dash in this car is now worth around $300.00. you should ask the seller to take the sheering wheel wrap off to see if this is a blue plastic wheel or the more desirable and optional wood rally wheel. this car also has the original air conditioning vent under the dash.
3. the car has the original radiator and several other original OEM items including, optional power break booster (which may mean that it has the optional front disc brakes - if so, that's a pretty valuable option.). the car most likely also has power steering, which is a very desirable option. the air conditioner hoses look OEM as are (i believe) the windshield washer tank and radiator overflow tank. most of the rest of the engine bay looks stock.
4. this car looks like it might be a survivor - meaning that it still has original paint and original stripes. "survivor" cars are very popular currently and are bringing more money in some cases as restored cars. if it is a survivor and you buy this car, you SHOULD NOT do anything to the car until you talk to some people about whether or not to restore it or try and save the survivor looks. remember, "it is only original once."
5. all in all, this is a VERY good car to start on. cars as complete and as in as good as condition as this one are HARD to find.

the negative points of this car:

1. i would bet a 100 dollar bill that this car DOES NOT have its original engine. in fact, i would also bet the engine is not a 340. the majority of 69 mopar 340s were painted orange. there have been a few "chrysler turquoise" 69 340s found but i do not believe this is one of them. if i were to guess, i would say the original motor is long gone and it was replaced with a 318. that's what this motor looks like.
2. you need to find out what the condition of the under chassis is especially the front and rear frame rails. if any of the rails are bad, you have to have a shop replace them unless you are very good with a welder.
3. there probably is no fender tag in the engine bay. having the original fender tag increases the value of the car a great deal.
4. someone cut up the original "unsilenced" air cleaner - which was a crazy thing to do.

in summary, one of my 68s and one of the 69s were "drivers" in very good condition when they came off the shipping truck. i purchased those cars 7-8 years ago and paid i think 12k and 14k respectfully. the 68 is a 340 4sp and the 69 is a 383 4sp. based upon what i've seen in the market over the last few years, i don't think i could buy those cars now for less than $15k, probably around $18k.

without hearing this car run, i would pay $8k for the car with no worry at all assuming that there is no major rust damage under the car. if the car has a 318 running or not, the motor is a negative and has to be pulled out. if you kept this "a survivor" and just bought a 340, you could bring this car back as a decent driver for around $10k. if you're wanting to do a "museum" quality restoration like some guys want, you're looking at $30-50k depending upon how crazy you want to be.

if you are looking for a barracuda this car is a very good place to start.

jim coster
pittsburgh, pa


Jim, That's excellent advice for him.I would say dead on too.
 
Jim, That's excellent advice for him.I would say dead on too.

Wasn't the A/C equipped 340 engine cars painted that color??? Anyway I say somewhere around 8k is it something you will be happy to drive with just a touch up and clean up or will it need a resto for you to be happy with it? You know the resto will put you upside down on it .
 
Owner says he's been under the car and verified it's the numbers matching motor. He also said he has the build sheet for the car. I will obviously check both of these things out before I making any offer. Fender tag below.

 
I'm no expert, but this is what I came up with.

H51 A/C
M21 Roof Drip Rail Molding
W31 Belt Molding
R11 AM Radio
V6X Stripe
A53 Formula S
A86 Deluxe Interior Group
B51 Power Brake
C16 Center Console
C55 Bucket Seats
G11 Tinted Glass
E55 340-4
D32 HD Auto

I couldn't find info on the other codes.
 
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