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tnts72 said:
Yes I should have requested additional pictures! Just being new on the forum I didn't want to grill an established seller for tons of pictures. I won't hesitate to ask from now on!
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lesson to learn there.

No way should you make any more assumptions or benefits of the doubt with a multiple part (side or full time business) type seller than a one time guy selling extra parts. I could make arguments that you should make even less assumptions.

The guys with lots of ads are busy and have lots of stuff going on. I've seen them complain about "the picture collectors" people inquiring for their ads. I understand that to some degree, but it's not that much more time to take a 2-3 more digital pictures. On a $250 item I think you could justify more than one picture.

Hey, there's no law a parts seller has to show any pictures of the item they are selling.

There's also no law they prospective buyers can't ask for reasonable clear quality 3-view pictures covering the aspects of the part. If the answer is no, the ball is in the buyers court to buy or move on.

I see sellers have the time to bump their ads a handful of times (six times in this case). But not enough to take 3-4 good pictures? But again, buyer needs to make the choice.
 
Two weeks ago, you messaged me about the fender, and not only did I tell you I would take it back, but that I would pay the return shipping.
You responded back that your body guy thought he could work with it, and that you even had a donor fender for metal if it came to that.
Now, two weeks later, out of the blue you aske what are my thoughts on the pics you sent. I didn't respond because I had no idea what to say! I thought we already said everything there was to say.
You paid $190 for a fender that needs a half hour of work to be paint ready with nothing more than a skim coat.
Send that one back to me, and drop $600 on a mystery metal repop, or go hunt down an NOS one for a grand or better.
 
BTW, I never offered a partial refund.. I Never do. It's all or nothing, and that is my standard way of doing things. I did offer to send you a bumper at half price to make up for the hassle on the fender, but you seem to have forgotten that.
 
whitepunkonnitro said:
Two weeks ago, you messaged me about the fender, and not only did I tell you I would take it back, but that I would pay the return shipping.
You responded back that your body guy thought he could work with it, and that you even had a donor fender for metal if it came to that.
Now, two weeks later, out of the blue you aske what are my thoughts on the pics you sent. I didn't respond because I had no idea what to say! I thought we already said everything there was to say.
You paid $190 for a fender that needs a half hour of work to be paint ready with nothing more than a skim coat.
Send that one back to me, and drop $600 on a mystery metal repop, or go hunt down an NOS one for a grand or better.
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Offering to take it back and pay for shipping seems like complete restitution, if that's what happened.

Sure it's a hassle sending it back. But it was a hassle to send it out too.

BTW, no way should someone be asked to pay for any work done to fender after received. Stores take back clothing, but they don't pay for dry cleaning.
 
Just to be clear I did not ask to be reimbursed for the work I have had done on the fender. And I will attach a shot of our conversation in regards to a partial refund... I was on my honeymoon and the fender was at the body shop.
 

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I would say the holes in the dogleg and the marker patch job "conversion", and the various dents will take more than a half hour to fix.

If you would have replied to my text messages this post wouldn't be on here.
 
tnts72 said:
Just to be clear I did not ask to be reimbursed for the work I have had done on the fender. And I will attach a shot of our conversation in regards to a partial refund... I was on my honeymoon and the fender was at the body shop.
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Sorry I didn't mean to say you asked for that already. Was trying to speaking in general. I edited that for clarity.

There's takeaways and something to learn from this thread for other buyers and sellers.
 
tnts72 said:
I would say the holes in the dogleg and the marker patch job "conversion", and the various dents will take more than a half hour to fix.

If you would have replied to my text messages this post wouldn't be on here.
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I don't mind this post being here at all. I offered to take it back at no cost to you, you do not dispute this fact, and so it only shows that I do fair business. By all means, spread this post any place you'd like. Thanks!
 
For those of you wondering how the marker light thing got past me, this is what happened.
We had a rain thing going on here back when I sold the fender. Every day we had downpours and my lot was a mess..I was getting way behind.
At any rate, I had a window of opportunity..was only drizzling , so I ran out to the lot, and grabbed the fender off the car.
I never really looked at the thing, just tossed it in the back of my car and passed it off to Kathy (agent99) to wrap. Never looked at the back side of it until the buyer sent me pics.
Yep. I screwed up. Lesson learned on my part.
My only regret is that I didn't catch that sooner. I could have knocked the patch out, spent 20 minutes welding and dressing those pin holes, and I could have gotten a bunch more for it!
 
Moral of the story - don't trust a "gold member" seller until you see multiple pictures of said item. Simple case of an oversold item failing to meet customer expectations. I'm not saying Tony is a bad guy, just probably not someone I will be buying any additional parts from.
 
tnts72 said:
Moral of the story - don't trust a "gold member" seller until you see multiple pictures of said item. Simple case of an oversold item failing to meet customer expectations. I'm not saying Tony is a bad guy, just probably not someone I will be buying any additional parts from.
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If you asked for additional photos, I would have taken additional photos.
Oversold item? That is matter of perspective. The vast majority of people who have real time experience with this stuff would have been very pleased with that fender.. I know I would have been.
Perspective... This stuff is nearly a Half Century Old! You don't trip over it at the local wrecking yard any more.. Add to the fact that the cost of even the most basic parts cars has skyrocketed over the last few years, what you paid for that thing is very reasonable.
And price? I list my items in the form of a Dutch Auction. I start at a top dollar price, and then drop it every week until sold. You jumped in where you did, and even then you got it for less than the listed price ($250 shipped. $250-$62)
THEN I miss one text from you after not hearing from you for two weeks, and you jump on here like you got fucked out of your family fortune.
You're right, you won't be buying any other parts from me... I won't sell them to you!
 
tnts72 said:
Moral of the story - don't trust a "gold member" seller until you see multiple pictures of said item. Simple case of an oversold item failing to meet customer expectations. I'm not saying Tony is a bad guy, just probably not someone I will be buying any additional parts from.
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First,

Maybe there is a misconception of Gold Membership. Understandable since you are a new person to FABO. And understandable by the way it's presented on this site.

Gold Members are just people that have donated money to this site owner. Or people that received a gift of Gold Membership from another member.

Trusting or not trusting a member has no correlation whatsoever to being a Gold Member. Satan could be a Gold Member. Jesus could not be a Gold Member.

Read about Gold Membership here: http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/payments.php

There are some benefits to being a Gold Member. One of which is being able to "bump" your old for sale ads to the top of for sale ad forums by just replying to your own post one every 3 days. Many frequent sellers get Gold Membership just for this feature. It doesn't mean they are good, bad, or indifferent sellers.

For Sale Ad Rules: http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/announcement.php?f=87&a=6


Second,

Tony admitted some fault and offered complete restitution.

But let's say you buy a new blender. It immediately doesn't work right and then you take it back to the store for complete 100% return. It does not mean you should have to be 100% satisfied with that blender. Nor recommend it to others. Nor have a right to objectively tell others your experience.

These old parts are new blenders either. So your review will have a lot of consideration factored in it. It's up to the people reading this to make their own personal choices.
 
Let's say you buy a new blender, it immediately doesn't work right and then you take it back to the store for complete 100% return. It does not mean you should have to be 100% satisfied with that blender. Nor recommend it to others. Nor have a right to objectively tell others your experience.

Using that analogy, I did the same thing as if the store offered to pay for your gas to return the bad blender.
 
Insinuating that Tony is untrustworthy, on a forum he's been on for years, is wrong. If you had asked for photos, I would of taken whatever you wanted to see until you were satisfied, and could make an educated purchase. You didn't. He offered to take it back, you didn't return it. The problem is a matter of perspective. Tony's been doing Mopars for over 35 years, and handles these parts everyday. To him that was a perfect used fender....that doesn't mean perfect, it means perfect for an almost 50 year old used fender. There was no intentional over selling. There was no intent to decieve you. Just advertised from the perspective of someone whose handled these cars and parts for a very long time. In the future, do some homework, this is not a simple hobby, it will benefit yourself and whoever you're dealing with.
 
whitepunkonnitro said:
Let's say you buy a new blender, it immediately doesn't work right and then you take it back to the store for complete 100% return. It does not mean you should have to be 100% satisfied with that blender. Nor recommend it to others. Nor have a right to objectively tell others your experience.

Using that analogy, I did the same thing as if the store offered to pay for your gas to return the bad blender.
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Were you offering to refund his original shipping cost also? Or just the purchase price?

If you where refunding both to and from shipping prices/cost, YES.
 
autoxcuda said:
Were you offering to refund his original shipping cost also? Or just the purchase price?

If you where refunding both to and from shipping prices/cost, YES.
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Yup, I offered to refund him the original $250 (which included shipping) plus whatever it cost to return it. $310 total back to him.
And that was with no pause, hesitation or bargaining. That's what I offered him immediately.
Then this Ding Dong gets on here and starts a thread about how I tried to **** him.
 
tnts72 said:
Moral of the story - don't trust a "gold member" seller until you see multiple pictures of said item. Simple case of an oversold item failing to meet customer expectations. I'm not saying Tony is a bad guy, just probably not someone I will be buying any additional parts from.
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I would buy parts from Tony in a heart beat.

The guy gives great deals and I didn't have enough room in my truck after stopping at his place, he kept making me great deals, and even throwing in stuff for free....


He's willing to stand behind this deal and take it back, if you are so upset, then return it to him like he's offered...


He's admitted that he made a mistake and is willing to take it back.

Let me tell you, the time that I picked up parts from him, it rained so hard right after I left his place, I had to pull over for 20 minutes and let the rain settle down, I could not even see out my windshield. It was coming down in sheets of rain...

I've also ordered parts from him through the mail and he's come through.


Please figure out if you want to return it to him and work this out, and stop trying to trash Tony's reputation. He's a good seller and willing to work with you to make this right.

If you want a perfect one, then buy a repro....

Or go buy one from Justin Figgat and see how that goes.... :banghead:
 
tnts72 said:
Yes I should have requested additional pictures! Just being new on the forum I didn't want to grill an established seller for tons of pictures. I won't hesitate to ask from now on!
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whitepunkonnitro said:
Yup, I offered to refund him the original $250 (which included shipping) plus whatever it cost to return it. $310 total back to him.
And that was with no pause, hesitation or bargaining. That's what I offered him immediately..
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To the OP, it seems that Tony is more than willing to fix things, perhaps you should take him up on his offer?
 
Tony is a stand up guy and a class act. I have dealt with him and we have a Mopar group here in TN that we both attend weekly. He shoots you straight. He will even work with you on a price if it is out of line. Tony knows his Mopar. I have seen his collection firsthand. This should have never gotten to this point. If you did not like your purchase, then send it back to him when you had the chance. You did not and now you are complaining about the product. Come on take care of your business in a timely manner and this would not be an issue now.
 
Should have wrapped it up and sent it back, I will fix it here in the next couple months. I would think a mopar sheetmetal expert such as yourself would have seen the conversion prior to shipping. Lesson learned on my end.

Visible seams around the marker light as it arrived prior to blasting / primer
 

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tnts72 said:
Should have wrapped it up and sent it back, I will fix it here in the next couple months. I would think a mopar sheetmetal expert such as yourself would have seen the conversion prior to shipping. Lesson learned on my end.

Visible seams around the marker light as it arrived prior to blasting / primer
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If you want perfect sheet metal, I would recommend going with repro next time.

Where are you located in IL?

If you are near Plainfield, IL, you can go to Tamraz Auto and they are a direct seller of AMD and Goodmark repro parts. If you go to their outlet near Rt-30 and Wolf Rd, and pick up the parts yourself, then they won't charge you shipping. You can get brand new repro sheet metal from them, usually at a lower price than they advertise if you call them directly and pick it up. Make sure to inspect it fully before you accept it as that is their policy, they don't mind taking it out of the box for you to inspect.

https://tamrazs.wordpress.com/
 
Return policy was only good until I had it blasted. Which is understandable, now it's my baby. Ugly one at that, but I will make it right. I am curious though, knocking the patch out and selling for "a lot" more seems optimistic.
 
Irregardless - return a fender to you for $310. When I have $370 in it... Another member already pmed me about shipping another fender to me for shipping costs alone so clearly I'm not the only one who sees this as a shady deal. Granted you have a much greater reputation on the forum than the new guy does, but this is not my first go round in the car scene. Just a mopar part dealing lesson that cost me some $$$. Fact of the matter remains you fluffed a post for a fender and inflated a price to your benefit. Life goes on, hopefully others will see this and maybe apply it to their dealings by requesting additional pictures. Time to get back to work on the interior of this thing.
 

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