Supercharged or Stroked 360

Supercharger or Stroked


  • Total voters
    119
-

MuuMuu101

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jul 6, 2012
Messages
1,919
Reaction score
312
Location
MidWest
So, I've got a 360 engine sitting on the side I'm going to send to IMM engines to do some work. The detail I have on the 360 is that it's 9:1 compression, has ported J heads, a Mopar M1 intake, a Paxton supercharger, a 700 or 750 CFM Holley Carb, and TTI A-body shorty headers. The engine was running autcrosses 2 weeks before it was pulled so I know for a fact it was running and driving well (some of you probably have seen the car before). It was rebuilt last sometime in the 90's; however, there are currently a couple minor issues. It does have a couple oil leaks here and there and the compression reads about 150 psi on all cylinders except for one which was at around 120 psi. Cam and internals are kind of unknown, but IIRC the internals were all cast components. When the engine was fuel injected it made about 390 whp.

The engine this is going to be installed in is my '68 Dodge Dart. It will primarily be used for street cruising, an autocross at least 1-2 times a month, and a couple track days 1-2 times a year. It will be run behind a T56, an 8 3/4 with 3.55 gears, an Eaton TrueTrac, 18 x 9" wheels, and 255/40/18 tires.

So, originally, the plan was to take it to IMM for a minor rebuild. I'd have IMM tear it all down, make sure the bores and heads are good, install new gaskets and seals, dyno, tune, and break it in.

Now here are my thoughts... The Mopar M1 intake is pretty tall and with the supercharger I'm pretty sure it won't clear my stock flat hood. I don't really want to swap the hood, but I'd imagine an Edelbrock RPM Air Gap could be the solution. Another thing, is that the supercharger is added weight (my guess is ~20 lbs, especially up high) which would theoretically make handling worse since the front would be more nose heavy. The last concern is that IMM told me they'd rather work on a stroker than a supercharger. My guess is it would be difficult to tune without fuel injection.

My other idea was to stroke it so that I can keep the weight down and the horsepower up. If one of the cylinders are scarred, it's going to need at least new pistons anyways. If I stroke it, and it's in the budget, I was also thinking about going with aluminum heads and a SCAT forged rotating assembly. With this setup, I'd still keep the carburetor and M1 intake. And thinking about it, I could probably install A/C again.

I see pros and cons to the supercharger. Pros being it's more efficient, shouldn't cost more than stroking, and it has the wow factor. Cons would be it's "more complex" meaning more things can go wrong, increased weight where I really don't want it, no A/C, and potentially has clearances issues with the stock hood.

If I take the supercharger off, I'd probably save it for my next engine build I'm planning or just sell it. Same with the J heads.

What are your thoughts? I'd be happy with an engine that runs at around 375-400 whp (or more), is reliable, and runs on no more than 91 octane.
 

Attachments

  • 360 Paxton.jpg
    34.1 KB · Views: 1,211
  • 20150409_090313.jpg
    53 KB · Views: 950
All aluminum 500 Cid would be my vote :)
 
All aluminum 500 Cid would be my vote :)

By all means, please make a generous wire transfer into my bank account. :D

But seriously, lots of votes but no responses. I'm still sort of kind of leaning towards just stroking it as I'm thinking about supercharging that 273, but I'm curious about what other people think.

If it makes a difference... My friend from work, who used to wrench and race cars 10 years ago, said, "If you keep changing your plans then you have to add 6 months to the build." He thinks the supercharger is more efficient and will yield me better gas mileage.
 
Do both, lol. :D

That's what I told my coworker friend when we were going at it for 15 minutes. I said, "Fine, I'll stroke it and throw the supercharger on top just for you. It should make about 550-600 hp just fine." Lol.
 
Honestly, I think you'd probably have more torque than you can use at an autocross with a stroker.

You can look up my "MRL 340 WOW" thread about how great a stock stroke engine can turn out.

For you, I'd get the pistons at zero deck which should be about 10:1 on a 360, a set of edelbrocks (no porting needed, but I would add the beehive springs), hydraulic roller (mine is 227/231 .530/.530 on 110 LSA). I had the air gap (I just switched to fuel injection, so if you need one [It's painted blue], let me know (I also have the carter fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator, braided line, filter, and a 750 annular double pumper). If you run lighter rods like the scat i beams or K1 H-beams it will rev up quicker too. That will be enough to make 380-400 rwhp pretty easy with no supercharger.

I would save the remaining money and eventually go to sequential EFI. I've probably driven mine 100 miles or so and it's already running better than it did with the carb. I have a topic running for my MS3 install in the Fuel and Air Systems forum. You'll really appreciate that for autocross and also for the street cruising.
 
... He thinks the supercharger is more efficient and will yield me better gas mileage.


I doubt that. A supercharger that's constantly driven by a belt and pulleys, causing drag on the engine and eat away some power at lower rpms where it isn't helping the engine much yet, can hardly be any better on mileage than a stroker engine with a proper cam choice.
 
I doubt that. A supercharger that's constantly driven by a belt and pulleys, causing drag on the engine and eat away some power at lower rpms where it isn't helping the engine much yet, can hardly be any better on mileage than a stroker engine with a proper cam choice.

I was trying to tell him that. But also another one of my arguments was more air in is also going to require more fuel.
 
I agree with the traction problem, maybe the eddy headed 360 might be the way to go.
 
I would imagine the biggest drawbrack of a blower over a stroker is that you have more parts that can wear down

which should mean that the stroker should be more reliable
 
Do something nobody does anymore. Slap a 6-71 on it. Nothin has the look. Nothin. Build you up about a 6.5:1 static engine and run that pup like 3% overdriven and it'll make all the power you can stand. Rain? Think of it as cheap water injection.
 
The Paxton doesn't add boost until what rpm?
Until then, it consumes fuel like a regular engine.

My opinion, stroke it. What's the super charger worth?
 
The Paxton doesn't add boost until what rpm?
Until then, it consumes fuel like a regular engine.

My opinion, stroke it. What's the super charger worth?

Summit sells them for $3k new. So I'd imagine the whole setup could go for at least half that.
 
Do something nobody does anymore. Slap a 6-71 on it. Nothin has the look. Nothin. Build you up about a 6.5:1 static engine and run that pup like 3% overdriven and it'll make all the power you can stand. Rain? Think of it as cheap water injection.

Too heavy... However, I've always liked the look.
 
Do something nobody does anymore. Slap a 6-71 on it. Nothin has the look. Nothin. Build you up about a 6.5:1 static engine and run that pup like 3% overdriven and it'll make all the power you can stand. Rain? Think of it as cheap water injection.

ahahahahahahaha,
Of course sub- frame connectors must be incorporated into the mix...
buhahahahahaha,

6-71, instant Torque 'rise time' on this build....
MuuMuu101,
Don't hold back, mini tub ain't gonna work on this one...

"All that horse pressure don't mean squat unless ya'll got traction"
ahahahahahaha

With RESPECTS.
 
ahahahahahahaha,
Of course sub- frame connectors must be incorporated into the mix...
buhahahahahaha,

6-71, instant Torque 'rise time' on this build....
MuuMuu101,
Don't hold back, mini tub ain't gonna work on this one...

"All that horse pressure don't mean squat unless ya'll got traction"
ahahahahahaha

With RESPECTS.

I just got some MP offset shackles. After the 255/40/18 Michellins wear out I was hoping on going to a 275/35/18 tire and some stickier tires. I may even buy another set of wheels just for racing and keep the current wheels for cruising and longer trips.
 
I voted S/Charger and here's why; Any old 360 will make power with it, and when it blows up, you're just less than $500 from being back in action. How can you beat that?
If you blow up your stroker, you maybe get to start all over
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- - - - - - - - - - -
But if I had money,I tell you what I'd do; I'd slap on a li'l turbo, and a bigger one too..........................
I'd put on a medium one and a little one and stage them. The little one would come on just off idle, And I'd use it to fill the gap until the bigger one came on line.The little one might have an internal W/G, and would be independently adjustable, so I could put max torque down as soon as the chassis could accept it. But I'd try to size it to not need a WG.
I'd do it a little differently than most do tho. I'd put them under the rear seat,where the mufflers normally go. I'd go with an automatic. I'd fab. and install a pressure chamber, behind the auto and ahead of the turbos. I'd run each turbo independently off the chamber. The little guy would run full time, and dump it's load into the big one to pre-spool it, but there would be a pressure valve between the chamber and the little guys dump, preventing the bigger one from coming on line until I tell it to. I'd have a way of opening the pressure valve, for restriction-free cruising. If I have to,I'd run a waste-gate directly off the chamber.I'd run 3.23s or less, and shorty headers.
Well that's my plan so far................... To date,I got the 3.23s, and the A/T. Hmmmmmmmmm
 
I voted S/Charger and heres why; Any old 360 will make power with it, and when it blows up, you're just less than $500 from being back in action. How can you beat that?
If you blow up your stroker, you maybe get to start all over.

Another good point...
 
So, someone made another good point on moparts... If I stroke this particular engine, I practically wouldn't be reusing any components except for the block, intake, carb, and headers. Why not start over?

If that were the case I'd definitely be tempted to go Gen III Hemi.
 
So, someone made another good point on moparts... If I stroke this particular engine, I practically wouldn't be reusing any components except for the block, intake, carb, and headers. Why not start over?

If that were the case I'd definitely be tempted to go Gen III Hemi. I'm getting a Borgeson PS box installed anyways.
 
AJ/FormS said:
I voted S/Charger and here's why; Any old 360 will make power with it, and when it blows up, you're just less than $500 from being back in action. How can you beat that?
If you blow up your stroker, you maybe get to start all over

I defer to the above 'Sage' wisdom... Professor Xavier, eeerrr, Mr AJ/FormS :D
 
-
Back
Top