pishta
I know I'm right....
F no, I do not have to love this crap. Give me back my single stage lead based acrylic enamel that held up for 50 years with a buff out and wax.....
Gotta love the clear coat.
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72Dart6pack
Harder Better Faster Stronger.
Guess your using the wrong stuff. Mine is flawless.
pishta
I know I'm right....
Haaaa, I bought it like this! Actually is wasn't peeling yet but it was already getting cloudy. Its just a cheap repaint as far as I know. But my 92 LS400 is already bald on the roof, and the tops of the rear fenders and spoiler are going fast. When I got my Barracuda painted 20 years ago I specifically picked a single stage paint. So far, so good..although it chips easily. :-(
pishta
I know I'm right....
And newly applied....
Yours is brand new. Park it outside for 5 years and kiss your clearcoat goodbye. Same thing happened on my Challenger, it looked great when I bought it. 3 years later, looked like it had a sunburn. Whole car ended up looking like Pishta's pictures.
Even most of the major car manufacturers can't keep it on the darker color cars. My wife's '03 Dakota started losing the clearcoat on the roof after like 3 years.
I paint my stuff with single stage. Clear coat is just a PITA. Extra step, extra money, and more money later when it fails.
I bought my gallon of single stage fir this very reason.
And for touch-up.
And for touch-up.
pishta
I know I'm right....
Its gonna look 5x better when all the clear flakes off! Sort of a flat blue metallic that has about 10 shades of blues depending on how sunburned it is. Ill probably just hit it with a DA one day and put it out of my wife's misery. I could give 2 *****, it's 5 years out of registration. Soo, 800,1500 (?) grit to sand the clear off?
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Unconventional
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I hit an owl with the old GMC, only 7 years old at the time. I take it to the Chevy body shop to get an estimate to replace the grill for the ins company. Service writer does his thing has the estimate, "When did you buy this truck?" I answered. "If you would have brought the truck to me 3 months ago I would have painted it free." He found one tiny spot where the paint was starting to fail that I hadn't even seen yet and the factory warranty was 7 years. "No big deal. It's a work truck. Always has been. Always will be." Couple months later rainy season comes around, I'm drivin' down the main boulevard and see something odd in the side view mirror. "
is that?" Little white flecks flying in the rain. Roll down the window, reach for the roof of the truck. Nothing but primer! That was my paint fleeing the scene I saw in the mirror 
is that?" Little white flecks flying in the rain. Roll down the window, reach for the roof of the truck. Nothing but primer! That was my paint fleeing the scene I saw in the mirror 
I work for Sherwin Williams Automotive paints and I can tell you there are so many knock off cheap clears made in China and everywhere else that's what you get with no maintenance, wax at least twice a year. Yes paint jobs need to be feed. The new glamour clears are exceptionally good and all of the good brands charge for them. PPG, Axalta, Siekens, Sherwin Williams, BASF etc. You will pay $500 - $700 for a gallon, a quart of hardener and a qt of reducer. All cars are now base coat clear coat and all repairs are done the same way. If you want it to last then spend the money, if not buy cheap and get 3-5 years out of it. Just like anything else you get what you pay for and being uneducated is not the way to get your car painted or it may look like the pictures here.
67Dart273
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You sound just like Ferd/ Mapar/ Generous Motors a few years ago, and what do we have? ******* clearcoat that peels that's what
famous bob
mopar misfit
A butload of gm pick ups around here did that , or rusted out around the rear wheels.I hit an owl with the old GMC, only 7 years old at the time. I take it to the Chevy body shop to get an estimate to replace the grill for the ins company. Service writer does his thing has the estimate, "When did you buy this truck?" I answered. "If you would have brought the truck to me 3 months ago I would have painted it free." He found one tiny spot where the paint was starting to fail that I hadn't even seen yet and the factory warranty was 7 years. "No big deal. It's a work truck. Always has been. Always will be." Couple months later rainy season comes around, I'm drivin' down the main boulevard and see something odd in the side view mirror. "
AMEN and AMEN again! We've disagreed on some things in the past, as all people do, but this my friend AIN'T one of them. lol
pishta
I know I'm right....
Kinda weird, the hood on my 93 SC is flawless, the nose is trashed, the roof and spoiler are all but gone clearcoat wise and the rear fenders are going fast.....Did the hood get the majority of the wax job because its the largest/easiest panel? Wifes minivan roof was first to start checking too. I dont feel so 'uneducated' 'cause I didn't get them painted like that. Every (newer) one has started to check within a year of owning it, but we buy 'em 4-5 years old to keep costs down. First thing they do prior to delivery is to detail/wax them (Carmax) and I usually wax them again in 6 months and then every 4-6 months after that. All have been dark colors. Ill try a light color next time, but no white: Looks too 'fleet' for me now.
Unconventional
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My old boss's white Chebby, ALL the paint left in 1 big sheet on his way to work one morning
Something probably happened to the hood on the initial delivery to the dealer, and it was fixed and repainted (correctly) either by the dealer or local shop...
Lots of reasons for clear coat to come off base paint if not done correctly. Like waiting to long to put the clear on or one that happens more than any is not waiting long enough and the base color is not dry enough.
67Dart273
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Well just exactly "whut" do you call the "early years?" Because my 01 Dodge was damn sure not manufactured before 98 and it's peelin' like a *****. And a guy "would thunk" that it was applied using correct procedures and materials....................
^^And, as said above I can show you a butload of "the big three" in through those years AFTER 98 that look like crap........and have........for quite awhile
69_340_GTS
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First, I'm not pointing fingers at anyone here. But a lot of folks think that "clear coat" is some sort of magic substance that makes the paint stay shiny with minimal care. Like a trip thru the car wash once a month, and no waxing. So they don't take care of it. Newsflash: it's just paint! And in order for it to stay nice it needs periodic careful washing (no abrasive plastic car wash bristles), and a cleaner/wax at least 3 times a year. When you buy a used vehicle, chances are nobody properly cared for it, and the damage, although not readily apparent, is already done. You can wax it and clean it, but that clearcoat has already been ruined by neglect. And yeah, "Detroit" had huge problems when they first switched over to this new paint system, so that's part of the problem too.
69_340_GTS
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Do you realize the '92 is 27 years old? I would not expect any paint to hold up real great over that many years unless it was garaged most of the time and meticulously cared for.
Had a friend bring his brand new at the time chevy pick up in for repair on the tail gate (2017) Sanded it for repair and found that it had been painted 4 times with base clear. Started looking the truck over and found that the paint was starting to come off in just about every panel on the truck. No prior record of being refinished from shipping damage so was painted 4 times from the factory.
That's the most I've ever seen, many times I see cars that have been painted 2 times from the factory. I am no expert but I think the factory can't get them all painted right.
There are to many colors today that you can't single stage and many that are tri coat so were stuck with clear coat. and as far as I'm concerned wouldn't paint any other way.
That's the most I've ever seen, many times I see cars that have been painted 2 times from the factory. I am no expert but I think the factory can't get them all painted right.
There are to many colors today that you can't single stage and many that are tri coat so were stuck with clear coat. and as far as I'm concerned wouldn't paint any other way.
oi81b4uu812b4
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You have to be careful when top coating with clear. The data sheets have to be followed, mix your ratios... but you also have to read up on what actually might happen... or if you can even clear coat your paint.
My data sheet from this past weekend project by the manufacturer said I had 7 days to clear coat. Which I thought was kinda long time period. What I read online is the people that did that had issues where the clear lifted and I shouldn't wait longer than 3 days.
And the days of some automotive paint mixes are long gone because they've been outlawed. So what you might have used 20 years ago might have been replaced by crap like soy based paint or water based.
And if you leave your car outside all year round, I really don't know what you should expect after 5 years of the climate beating on it.
My data sheet from this past weekend project by the manufacturer said I had 7 days to clear coat. Which I thought was kinda long time period. What I read online is the people that did that had issues where the clear lifted and I shouldn't wait longer than 3 days.
And the days of some automotive paint mixes are long gone because they've been outlawed. So what you might have used 20 years ago might have been replaced by crap like soy based paint or water based.
And if you leave your car outside all year round, I really don't know what you should expect after 5 years of the climate beating on it.
And after all the money and time we put in our old cars it will be a cold day in hell I leave mine out side all year.But can under stand that not of us have a place to store them.
jos51700
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So, if the clear coat failed, where'd the rust on the roof come from?
oi81b4uu812b4
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Looks like there was an issue before is got painted. No metal prep to clean surface rust that had started from just humidity, no etching primer or one applied to an un-prepped surface. Or no sealer used before painting.
And a lot of places barely shoot a layer of base down because they just assume it will get shine and be fixed when clear coat is put over it. So, they skimp a very thin layer of base because it dries quicker and a heavy coat of base takes longer to dry. With metallic's they "bottle" when clear is applied to soon.
So the next issue is you have are the base coat and clear coat of various thicknesses expanding and contracting at different rates with the climate. (It wasn't just the clear coat peeling away on GM cars in the 80's and 90's, the base coat went with it).
Painting is about being clean on a clean surface. Delamination is usually because something wasn't applied right.
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