Best E58 360HP Camshaft....your guesses

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I recently bought a 318 shortblock and i had a chance to buy a complete engine , 1979 LRE truck eh1 known as the e58 package too...i heard that the 1979 version lost the "340" cam , so i wanted to upgrade it lightly , ldb4 intake and thermoquad and going in my 4 speed cuda....whats the limits of a stock J #596 head with 8.4:1 compression and 410. Camshaft engine , ive seen summit cams , 340 replacement cams and lunati cams , im on a very thight budget and advancing slowly with my cuda but i had no engine and now i have the 318 , 360 , speed and 2.76 gears ( going for 3.23s )**** overall best street cam for a stock 1979 360 , any dynos or real life experience ?

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Looks like a great cam but aggressive on the .050 ! Wow , wonder how it sounds like and if its any good with the stock engine , internal and aprings etc
 
You’d be better off installing a LD340 intake on the 360 as it has the larger ports to match the 340/360 heads. A LD4B intake has smaller ports to match 273/318 heads.
 
You’d be better off installing a LD340 intake on the 360 as it has the larger ports to match the 340/360 heads. A LD4B intake has smaller ports to match 273/318 heads.
Ill open the ports , i rather keep that intake or sell it for a good price, i have a 71 340 tquad iron one too in case.
 
Lose the carburetor. All it's good for is parts. Being an emissions era carburetor it's so lean you're running almost on air.

As for camshaft, I kinda like this one.

Factory Performance Hydraulic Flat Tappet Cam - Chrysler 273-360 298/308
This is one time I will disagree with you Rusty
What about recalibration with jets/rods/pistons/springs etc. Every TQ I have tuned to application has been a screamer. It may not work for serious applications but I’ve found it to be the best street carb I’ve ever run.
 
This is one time I will disagree with you Rusty
What about recalibration with jets/rods/pistons/springs etc. Every TQ I have tuned to application has been a screamer. It may not work for serious applications but I’ve found it to be the best street carb I’ve ever run.

I'm not talking about the thermoquad. I'm talking about THAT PARTICULAR thermoquad. It's a POS as far as performance.
 
I'm not talking about the thermoquad. I'm talking about THAT PARTICULAR thermoquad. It's a POS as far as performance.
Great I’ve got two low smog ones I’m going to set up for the future 408. Neither one has the smog tube on on the lid and have ported vacuum for the advance. I haven’t looked them up but I think they are pre lean burn. Does that sound right?
 
Great I’ve got two low smog ones I’m going to set up for the future 408. Neither one has the smog tube on on the lid and have ported vacuum for the advance. I haven’t looked them up but I think they are pre lean burn. Does that sound right?

I don't know. I'd have to see them or see the number. The ported vacuum was not for the vacuum signal on the thermoquad. It was for the EGR valve, so those may be smog carburetors.
 
I don't know. I'd have to see them or see the number. The ported vacuum was not for the vacuum signal on the thermoquad. It was for the EGR valve, so those may be smog carburetors.
I thought the egr ran off the small brass tube , pencil size, on the right of the body in the middle??
 
I thought the egr ran off the small brass tube , pencil size, on the right of the body in the middle??

Yeah on the passenger's side. That's the only part throttle vacuum the TQ ever had.
 
I recently bought a 318 shortblock and i had a chance to buy a complete engine , 1979 LRE truck eh1 known as the e58 package too...i heard that the 1979 version lost the "340" cam , so i wanted to upgrade it lightly , ldb4 intake and thermoquad and going in my 4 speed E-BODY cuda....whats the limits of a stock J #596 head with 8.4:1 compression and 410. Camshaft engine , ive seen summit cams , 340 replacement cams and lunati cams , im on a very tight budget and advancing slowly with my cuda but i had no engine and now i have the 318 , 360 , speed and 2.76 gears (going for 3.23s) **** overall best street cam for a stock 1979 360 , any dynos or real life experience ?

So to recap;
you will be using the 89 360 bottom end no changes,
Stock J heads,
ldb4 intake and thermoquad
in a 4-speed E-body with 2.76s
on a very tight budget

Ok
problem #1
is your Scr is not likely to come in at 8.4, but more like 7.8, so your cylinder pressure is already in the basement. A bigger cam will just kill even more bottom end.
Problem #2
the 2.76s will keep your no compression engine, sucked out until about 40 mph, in first gear which is about 3500 rpm,
Problem #3
those same 2.76s will hit 60mph at 5500. Read my lips; one gear to 60 mph, with a no-compression engine in a 3700 pound E-body, is gonna be sun-dial sloooooow.
But ok, put a bigger cam in it and be even slower.

But, I know you didn't come here to be insulted so, please forgive me; I'm trying to make a point; and here it comes;
What are you expecting from your car?

If you are building a cruiser, 2.76s and the 4-speed are the best choice. Put the entire 318 topend and cam on top of your 360 bottom end including the 318 cam, and yur done.

Otherwise;
the very first thing you gotta do is get rid of the 2.76s, cuz with them, on your budget, it doesn't matter where else you spend money, they will keep your car sloooow.
If you wanna be quick,in the zero to 60mph contest, you gotta run two gears and be revved out when you get there.
If 3.23s are gonna be the limit, then you gotta engineer your combo to hit 60 at about 4900, with a power peak around 4700. That will be a cam of about [email protected]
You might find that on a 260hydraulic cam, say something like 260/266/108.
But in your lo-compression engine, I would NOT run a hydro, cuz it will kill pressure that you cannot afford to lose. So I'd still run a [email protected] but the advertized needs to be something like [email protected] tappet rise after the lash is taken up.
But before you do that, you gotta get your pressure up.
7.8 Scr is NOT gonna cut it.
8.8 is still gonna be doggie
9.4 is where the engine wants to be,with an Ica of about 56*, but
9.2 will get you in the ballpark .
It's a long way from 7.8 to 9.2
On a budget, I would totally put closed chamber 318 heads on that 360 with probably the 318 cam, and put the 3.23s in right away first thing.

But I wouldn't run 3.23s in that lo-compression combo at all,lol. The low-pressure engine will be soft enough as is, never mind having to rev it up to get it rolling.
If you insist on running a hydraulic cam, you will need one with the fastest ramps you can find, to keep the pressure up. Stick with name-brand cams.

Happy HotRodding.
 
So to recap;
you will be using the 89 360 bottom end no changes,
Stock J heads,
ldb4 intake and thermoquad
in a 4-speed E-body with 2.76s
on a very tight budget

Ok
problem #1
is your Scr is not likely to come in at 8.4, but more like 7.8, so your cylinder pressure is already in the basement. A bigger cam will just kill even more bottom end.
Problem #2
the 2.76s will keep your no compression engine, sucked out until about 40 mph, in first gear which is about 3500 rpm,
Problem #3
those same 2.76s will hit 60mph at 5500. Read my lips; one gear to 60 mph, with a no-compression engine in a 3700 pound E-body, is gonna be sun-dial sloooooow.
But ok, put a bigger cam in it and be even slower.

But, I know you didn't come here to be insulted so, please forgive me; I'm trying to make a point; and here it comes;
What are you expecting from your car?

If you are building a cruiser, 2.76s and the 4-speed are the best choice. Put the entire 318 topend and cam on top of your 360 bottom end including the 318 cam, and yur done.

Otherwise;
the very first thing you gotta do is get rid of the 2.76s, cuz with them, on your budget, it doesn't matter where else you spend money, they will keep your car sloooow.
If you wanna be quick,in the zero to 60mph contest, you gotta run two gears and be revved out when you get there.
If 3.23s are gonna be the limit, then you gotta engineer your combo to hit 60 at about 4900, with a power peak around 4700. That will be a cam of about [email protected]
You might find that on a 260hydraulic cam, say something like 260/266/108.
But in your lo-compression engine, I would NOT run a hydro, cuz it will kill pressure that you cannot afford to lose. So I'd still run a [email protected] but the advertized needs to be something like [email protected] tappet rise after the lash is taken up.
But before you do that, you gotta get your pressure up.
7.8 Scr is NOT gonna cut it.
8.8 is still gonna be doggie
9.4 is where the engine wants to be,with an Ica of about 56*, but
9.2 will get you in the ballpark .
It's a long way from 7.8 to 9.2
On a budget, I would totally put closed chamber 318 heads on that 360 with probably the 318 cam, and put the 3.23s in right away first thing.

But I wouldn't run 3.23s in that lo-compression combo at all,lol. The low-pressure engine will be soft enough as is, never mind having to rev it up to get it rolling.
If you insist on running a hydraulic cam, you will need one with the fastest ramps you can find, to keep the pressure up. Stick with name-brand cams.

Happy HotRodding.
Jesus A/J you killed me right there....i was thinking to go with a stock replacement 429/444 cam ( 340 c.i ) for this 360 , its a 79 not 89 , comes from a little red express , planning to have a nice cruiser and reliable car , of course i want a bit of power...but what can be the best if i dont want to open the engine , 3.23 / 3.55 / 3.91s with big 295,50r15 ? I dont want a dog , my fantasy is to beat a stock 1971 cuda 340 4 speed , the best that hot rod mag ran was 14.18 e.t. , i want to enter the 13.99s with my car and be reliable as hell !!! AND ON A LOW LOW DOLLAR BUDGET !!!!! AHAHAHAHA
 
Good looking cam for a 4 speed.

Jake

I kinda like it either way. Yeah, it's a little steep on duration, but it's also on a 112. How may "overcammed" old school build have made gobs of power? A bunch.
 
I recently bought a 318 shortblock and i had a chance to buy a complete engine , 1979 LRE truck eh1 known as the e58 package too...i heard that the 1979 version lost the "340" cam , so i wanted to upgrade it lightly , ldb4 intake and thermoquad and going in my 4 speed cuda....whats the limits of a stock J #596 head with 8.4:1 compression and 410. Camshaft engine , ive seen summit cams , 340 replacement cams and lunati cams , im on a very thight budget and advancing slowly with my cuda but i had no engine and now i have the 318 , 360 , speed and 2.76 gears ( going for 3.23s )**** overall best street cam for a stock 1979 360 , any dynos or real life experience ?

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Here all these years I thought that the eh1 in the little red express was a modified version of the e58. Not the same engine. Why would you have the same Engine with two different names?

I also thought that the little red express had a larger thermoquad on it , than the E58 came with .
 
Here all these years I thought that the eh1 in the little red express was a modified version of the e58. Not the same engine. Why would you have the same Engine with two different names?

I also thought that the little red express had a larger thermoquad on it , than the E58 came with .
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78 and 79 engine code is EH1 not E58.

Li'l Red Truck Pkg. (YH6)
Equipment
Sales Code
1978 Code Description
Sales Code
1979 Code Description

Bright front bumper MD2 Chrome bumper, MD2 Chrome bumper
Bright rear bumper MD3 Chrome bumper, MD3 Chrome bumper
Exterior paint color
PY3442 Bright Canyon Red,
PY3450 Medium Canyon Red
G.V.W. YW4 6100 pounds YW4 6050 pounds
360 cubic inch 4BBL V8 EH1 High Performance EH1 High Performance
Automatic transmission (required) FA3 A-727
Loadflight FA0 A-727
Loadflight
Oil Gauage LB2 Electric Analog, LB2 Electric Analog
Rear Axle
AV2 3.55:1,
AV2 3.55:1
Steering wheel
LF4 Tuff Wheel,
LF6 Four Spoke
Western
Chrome five-slot disc road wheels RA3
RA6 Front 15"x7"
Rear 15"x8" RA6 (5) 15"x8"
GOOD YEAR
Raised white outline letter radial tires WMG F
WMH R
Front GR60x15
Rear LR60x15
None WMH (5) LR60x15
Also included as standard equipment on the Li'l Red Truck.
Dual exhaust with vertical stack-pipes, chrome exhaust tips and stainless heat shields. Chrome plated valve covers, Chrome-plated air-cleaner cover, Chrome-plated side bed steps, Utiline body side and tailgate oak body trim panels with chrome-headed prop nuts, Gold 3M pinstriping tape decals on tailgate and doors.



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Prototype versus - production EH-1 Specification
EH-1, Engine Component
A / Block "Prototype Specification"
A / Block "Production Specification"

Carburation Holley 4160 series,
4bbl 850-CFM ThermoQuad 4bbl
Intake Manifold Holley Aluminum Hi-Rise, Factory Spread boar Hi-Rise
Cylinder Heads W-2 Hi-Performance,
E-58 Production
Air Induction Dual snorkel fresh air sys. Dual snorkel fresh air sys.
Camshaft Duration 252 degrees w/
Overlap 33 degrees,
Duration 252 degrees w/
Overlap 33 degrees
Oil Pan 5qt. w/windage tray 5qt. Standard
Exhaust Dual 2 1/2" Dual 2 1/2"
Mufflers 2 A134-440 Wedge 2 A134-440 Wedge
Compression Ratio 8.2:1,
8.2:1
Horsepower 230 net @ 3800 RPM,
225 net @ 3800 RPM
Torque 295 lb/ft @ 3200 RPM,
295 lb/ft @ 3200 RPM
1/4 Mile Performance 14.70 seconds @ 93 MPH 15.71 seconds @ 88 MPH
Gas Mileage 13.0 MPG,
13.1 MPG
 
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