double carb setup installed (looking for advice)

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just got the double carb intake installed, seems to be running fine but when i go, i can accelerate and up shift. but coasting it will hold the rpm and it wont downshift, i can kick the pedal and every once in a while it will mellow out, but the return springs seem to be fine and the throttle dont stick im not really sure whats up. was wondering if sombody has advice or if theres
a obvious problem goin on

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also looking for chrome air cleaners that are short and will fit the 1 barrel, my front air cleaner hits the hood sadly.
 
Gus; Very few of the 1 barrel carbs are worth a crap, the rebuilds, I mean.
I finally found an NOS holley for my 68 Dart GT 225, but I went thru 3 over the counter carbs before.
I think your carbs just need a great rebuild from a reputable shop.
American Carb in Orange Park, FL.
They put them on a car and test. Great people to work with.
 
id look into it, thanks. you dont think the rebuild kits and cleaning and doing myself would be as beneficial as a shop?
 
Not even close, no. If your carbs are imperfect, don't pass "Go", don't collect $200 (you'll need those dollars for the carbs); go to Jon Hargrove.

As to your kickdown issue: what's your kickdown linkage setup like?
not really positive if im looking a problem in the face or not, but linkage is identical to when it was a singular 1 barrel
 
What do you have for throttle return spring(s)? It is imperative you have something besides what's on the carburetors if they have any at all. At idle, there is no engine vacuum to speak of against the throttle plates, but at speed, if there's not "enough" throttle spring, the engine vacuum can keep the throttle plates open. Maybe you can post a good up close picture of your throttle return spring setup.
 
What do you have for throttle return spring(s)? It is imperative you have something besides what's on the carburetors if they have any at all. At idle, there is no engine vacuum to speak of against the throttle plates, but at speed, if there's not "enough" throttle spring, the engine vacuum can keep the throttle plates open. Maybe you can post a good up close picture of your throttle return spring setup.
the carbs are missing the plate on the top end of carburetor, that a problem i didnt even notice till now
 
You say the carburetors are "missing the plate on the top end". Are you referring to the choke plates?
 
My thoughts;
Assuming that
1) your distributor is functioning correctly, ie that the mechanical advance weights are snapping back nicely and that the VA is functioning correctly, and
2) your hot lash is adequate, and
3) your engine is up to temp,
4) Make sure the CC is ventilated.
5) Make sure the float bowls are ventilated.
6) assuming the carbs are internally functioning correctly, and that the WET fuel-levels are at least the same.
7) If your carbs
are off cars before the PCV system was invented,
and they do not have PCV nipples then the throttles may have to be opened further than usual to provide adequate Idle-Air, and so, the intake may be getting too much air. IDK what I would do, probably I would drill holes in the Throttle valves, so I could synchronize the Transfers and the mixture screws. But honestly, I would sure like to install a PCV System, even if just a continuous idle bleed..
If both carbs have PCV nipples, I would splice them together and install a restrictor up near the PCV. This system has to discharge just underneath the Throttle valves, somewhere close to the fuel discharge ports. If you try to send it to just one or perhaps two intake runners, then you will have tuning issues.

8) Or perhaps your throttles are just TOO FAR open, and the transfers won't quit flowing.
Close the throttles until the transfers are just a hair shorter than wide, under the throttles. Reset the mixture screws as may be required, somewhere around 2 turns out.
If the idle speed is too slow, increase the ignition timing.
If the idle speed is too fast, retard the ignition timing.
Check for a Tip-in sag.
This is often and usually caused by the transfer slots being a hair too far closed, or a low fuel level. Fix it
After you get that dialed in, here are some other tips;
9) you may have to reset your accelerator pump linkage, and
10) you may have to revisit your Power-Timing.
11) If your rpm flares up a lil when you lift off the gas, then the carb was running rich just before you lifted.
12) if, in First gear, the nose drops noticeably when you lift, she was running lean at the lift.
13) if the Rpm drops more than 100 rpm when going from N/P to in-gear, then the engine has too much Idle-power. For correction, your choices are; Less Idle-Timing, Less Idle-Air, or less Idle-speed, in that order, usually..
14) if all else fails, look for a restricted exhaust.
Just so you know,
I like to set my valves at ambient temp (65/75*) and Mine are set to 013intake/023exhaust. This should produce a more consistent idle.
You can play with that later.
If you play with lash during this orientation, you get to start over.

These are my opinions.
Others
may have different opinions.
 
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My thoughts;
Assuming that
1) your distributor is functioning correctly, ie that the mechanical advance weights are snapping back nicely and that the VA is functioning correctly, and
2) your hot lash is adequate, and
3) your engine is up to temp,
4) Make sure the CC is ventilated.
5) Make sure the float bowls are ventilated.
6) assuming the carbs are internally functioning correctly, and that the WET fuel-levels are at least the same.
7) If your carbs
are off cars before the PCV system was invented,
and they do not have PCV nipples then the throttles may have to be opened further than usual to provide adequate Idle-Air, and so, the intake may be getting too much air. IDK what I would do, probably I would drill holes in the Throttle valves, so I could synchronize the Transfers and the mixture screws. But honestly, I would sure like to install a PCV System, even if just a continuous idle bleed..
If both carbs have PCV nipples, I would splice them together and install a restrictor up near the PCV. This system has to discharge just underneath the Throttle valves, somewhere close to the fuel discharge ports. If you try to send it to just one or perhaps two intake runners, then you will have tuning issues.

8) Or perhaps your throttles are just TOO FAR open, and the transfers won't quit flowing.
Close the throttles until the transfers are just a hair shorter than wide, under the throttles. Reset the mixture screws as may be required, somewhere around 2 turns out.
If the idle speed is too slow, increase the ignition timing.
If the idle speed is too fast, retard the ignition timing.
Check for a Tip-in sag.
This is often and usually caused by the transfer slots being a hair too far closed, or a low fuel level. Fix it
After you get that dialed in, here are some other tips;
9) you may have to reset your accelerator pump linkage, and
10) you may have to revisit your Power-Timing.
11) If your rpm flares up a lil when you lift off the gas, then the carb was running rich just before you lifted.
12) if, in First gear, the nose drops noticeably when you lift, she was running lean at the lift.
13) if the Rpm drops more than 100 rpm when going from N/P to in-gear, then the engine has too much Idle-power. For correction, your choices are; Less Idle-Timing, Less Idle-Air, or less Idle-speed, in that order, usually..
14) if all else fails, look for a restricted exhaust.
Just so you know,
I like to set my valves at ambient temp (65/75*) and Mine are set to 013intake/023exhaust. This should produce a more consistent idle.
You can play with that later.
If you play with lash during this orientation, you get to start over.

These are my opinions.
Others
may have different opinions.
they both got pcv nippled, and the car holds the same steady high rpm idle and in gear without touching throttle. revs higher than the normal shidt point before shifts and it shifts rough.it lurches and wants to run away. it will hold the rpm i acellerate to even after i let off throttle after shifting
 
they both got pcv nippled, and the car holds the same steady high rpm idle and in gear without touching throttle. revs higher than the normal shidt point before shifts and it shifts rough.it lurches and wants to run away. it will hold the rpm i acellerate to even after i let off throttle after shifting
Yeah all that transmission stuff should go away after you fix the throttle problem.

I suppose that you have checked that the throttles do NOT actually rub on the intake openings Nor on any gaskets and that the fast-idle cam is not/are not sticking, right? You may have to tie the chokes open, and/or back off the Fast-idle screws. On those carbs, the fast-idle cam has a tendency to stick. My cure is always to take it off and rub the rust out of the pivot bore, and off the screw, then reinstall it without oil. Sometimes I have had to add a weight zip-tied on the Link-rod. I have used long bolts.

Oh I forgot, does your car still have a rotating throttle linkage?
or have you converted it to a pull-cable?
Cuz that factory rotating system may never work right in this application, especially if the gas pedal pivot on the floor is rusty and sticking.
I only ever had one car with that system, a 64 V100 wagon, and it wasn't long until I stuffed a 340 in there and hung a later model cable in it. Lemmee think, that was about 1975.
 
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Yeah all that transmission stuff should go away after you fix the throttle problem.

I suppose that you have checked that the throttles do NOT actually rub on the intake openings Nor on any gaskets and that the fast-idle cam is not/are not sticking, right? You may have to tie the chokes open, and/or back off the Fast-idle screws. On those carbs, the fast-idle cam has a tendency to stick. My cure is always to take it off and rub the rust out of the pivot bore, and off the screw, then reinstall it without oil. Sometimes I have had to add a weight zip-tied on the Link-rod. I have used long bolts.

Oh I forgot, does your car still have a rotating throttle linkage?
or have you converted it to a pull-cable?
Cuz that factory rotating system may never work right in this application, especially if the gas pedal pivot on the floor is rusty and sticking.
I only ever had one car with that system, a 64 V100 wagon, and it wasn't long until I stuffed a 340 in there and hung a later model cable in it. Lemmee think, that was about 1975.
rotating, but its got a nice rod, everythings clean and lubed but its super super stiff, thats why i messed with springs and probably caused this. ill doublecheck the throttle plates rubbing but its the same carbs on the same mounts and intake as midnight swinger sold me, that he ran for who knows how long
 
messed around more, it will downshift after some time of breaking, something with throttle. messed with screws and if i turn in tighter the engine struggles to start but if i turn it up its reved very high

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Ok. I think you have maybe one spring pulling the wrong way. Look closely at that front most spring. Follow it to the carburetor. Look where it's attached. Isn't it pulling the carburetor linkage to the open position? In other words, looking from the DRIVER'S seat, doesn't that carburetor linkage turn CLOCKWISE to open the carburetor throttle plates? You can tell easily just by depressing the gas pedal and watching the linkage.
 
I think that rear spring might be on wrong too. So hard to tell from the pictures.
 

i messed with springs and i got the shifting figured out, but ill tune the carbs and it will run perfect until i shut it off, then i have to mess with screws all over again to get the car to run right i dont understand it.
 
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