The last Colt John Armenoff from Indianapolis built and ran before he switched to running Daytonas. I have always loved the Colts.
Tom
Tom
1972 Dodge Colt
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Hyper_pak
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Yes it has to stop.
Over the winter I took the ladder bars out, seemed like one side was in a jam.
In 2020, I went through the car with new Heim Joints and clevis I put it back right where it had been.
This year I made the them the same length and I think that was a mistake now.
So talking with some racers it was agreed that I need to move,
The Right (Passenger) side bar Forward, starting at 1 full turn on front Heim,
The Left (Driver) side bar Rearward, starting again at 1 full turn on the front Heim.
This should start pointing the rear to the Left and take out some of the drive to the right issue.
Ronnie Sox said years ago that with a short car you have to make small changes,
on a long car you can make bigger changes.
I don't want to add my Colt to the (SHORT) list of crashed "Death Machines".
I was going to ask if You knew somebody w/a good 4-wheel alignment machine, would be worth it to see exactly where You are, & document the changes. Also You can get a feel for how much the thrust changes per amount of adjustment. She looked like She's leavin' PDG otherwise, happy for You, now ....what's up with that damn tranny...
Hyper_pak
Old School Chrysler Fan
Don't know anyone around here.
Just going to make small changes.
I will get it in a few days and open it up.
The 2.66 gear box in would be a good data point.
I changed it when I was down on Horsepower, now that I am up it would be interesting.
And I wouldn't have to keep selling parts to pay the bills.
Do you run an anti-roll bar?
My Colt is 4-link with anti-roll bar I don't run any preload. Always launches straight.
Your car is running well. Sorry to hear about the trans.Are you shifting with clutch?
Hyper_pak
Old School Chrysler Fan
I do not shift with the clutch.
Might need to rethink that.
I do not have an anti roll bar.
I might need to rethink that as well.
Thanks for the thoughts.
I always shifted my Liberty lugged A833 Hemi 4 speed using the clutch. I figure that is why I was always so slow.
Hyper_pak
Old School Chrysler Fan
You were not slow.I always shifted my Liberty lugged A833 Hemi 4 speed using the clutch. I figure that is why I was always so slow.
Hyper_pak
Old School Chrysler Fan
I spoke with Tom Kocanda the first racer with my Colt.
He had a small stroke last year but is doing good.
I was talking with him about the Ladder Bars and such.
When he bought the Colt he took it to Don Ness and they did the initial set up.
He shared that at a Div. 5 points meet in '83 he raced John Hagen.
This was in '83 and Tom had an Arrow and John was racing an '83 Charger.
Greg Anderson was John Hagen's crew chief at the time.
John just beat Tom by a bumper.
The next week John was tragically killed at Brainerd and Greg Anderson walked away from racing.
Years later Warren Johnson talked Greg out of retirement.
He had a small stroke last year but is doing good.
I was talking with him about the Ladder Bars and such.
When he bought the Colt he took it to Don Ness and they did the initial set up.
He shared that at a Div. 5 points meet in '83 he raced John Hagen.
This was in '83 and Tom had an Arrow and John was racing an '83 Charger.
Greg Anderson was John Hagen's crew chief at the time.
John just beat Tom by a bumper.
The next week John was tragically killed at Brainerd and Greg Anderson walked away from racing.
Years later Warren Johnson talked Greg out of retirement.
RockinRobin
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On the 2nd photo do you know which "Thunder Valley" that is? I know of at least 3 of them.
Marion, South Dakota. My home track, so to speak.
That's always a tough decision. Go Liberty or an automatic. Pay close attention to who wins on a regular basis though. It's usually an automatic car. Love the manuals but they are just not as consistent than an automatic which are built nowadays to be a machine. Like the Ozark Mountain Super Shifters. All leave with a clutch, shift a Lenco, Liberty, or a 4 speed but they race each other in their own division. Always impressive when they are scheduled to race at your track. Like the Nostalgia Super Stock groups. Quite a show.
Hyper_pak
Old School Chrysler Fan
I will never race an auto.
I am out to have fun, if I win that is just luck!
I am out to have fun, if I win that is just luck!
Hyper_pak
Old School Chrysler Fan
Yup, nuthing is cheap now.
The Lenco is a planetary transmission.
Each shift adds about 2% loss as you have to be in each gear box.
That is why the Pro Stock crowd uses the Liberty Xtreme Box.
Just not as many cool levers!
Joe Liberty with an early clutchless trans design.
The Lenco is a planetary transmission.
Each shift adds about 2% loss as you have to be in each gear box.
That is why the Pro Stock crowd uses the Liberty Xtreme Box.
Just not as many cool levers!
Joe Liberty with an early clutchless trans design.
Hyper_pak
Old School Chrysler Fan
Marion, South Dakota.
I really like a G-force or Jerico transmission, too, but definitely not cheap either! I especially like the torsion bar countershaft in the G-force for a non clutch assist, but any clutchless shift transmission gear transmission is going to require consistent maintenance.
Icetech
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Ah, i didn't know about the loss in a lenco....
At the slant 6's level could a built 833 handle those launches?
Hyper_pak
Old School Chrysler Fan
I don't think the launch broke it, the clutchless shift did something to second.
Lots of higher HP V8 have run the 833 without problems.
Using a clutch.
If you look at the power path through a 833....
It comes in, drops down to the countershaft and then back up to the main.
Only thing that changes is each gear you select.
It's not going through each gear.
The Lenco has the additional gear boxes in neutral.
So as you make a shift and add a gear box the power loss is added till you get to the last gear box.
That is how I understand it.
Lots of higher HP V8 have run the 833 without problems.
Using a clutch.
If you look at the power path through a 833....
It comes in, drops down to the countershaft and then back up to the main.
Only thing that changes is each gear you select.
It's not going through each gear.
The Lenco has the additional gear boxes in neutral.
So as you make a shift and add a gear box the power loss is added till you get to the last gear box.
That is how I understand it.
PRH
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My “opinion” is……..the easy way forward to less trans issues is……. Start using the clutch when shifting.
Hyper_pak
Old School Chrysler Fan
Yes, that is certainly a cheaper option than fixing transmissions.
But then the clutch tamer comes into the equation.
833's can be modified to be shifted without a clutch but they weren't manufactured to do so like the Liberty's were. The Camaro video I posted has a Liberty and Mike abused it for years with no issues.
Tom
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