1wild&crazyguy
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chevrolet = Garbage.
jmo
jmo
You must remember 1 thing about Hemi HP ratings...........
Have you noticed that they always are rated at 425 hp@ 5200 rpm? No matter what year? At 5200 rpm they were just getting into their powerband.
The Muncie is an adequate 4-speed.
It is certainly the GM/Chev Achilles heel. They were weak. The case itself has been redesigned at least twice that I know of. The last version... the "super case" is supposed to finally be OK. I don't know much about it 'cause I don't care anymore.
I hope they finally VENTED the damn thing. The first thing any serious GM 4-speed guy had to do was drill 2 holes in the mainshaft bearing support down half the thickness of the plates height. Then another was drilled horizontally across them. Without this the pressure can get so high in the case it forces lube out the front bearing retainer.
The shifter arm bosses on the side cover were also a *****. The bosses need to be filed down or the shifter arms will rub and even bind.
The ridiculous "EARS" on the case to mount to the bell are horrible. I used to get Muncies for nearly nothing because the ears were snapped off by drawing the 4-speed to the bell with long bolts or threaded rod.
The oiling in the gears is fair and the oiling slots should be opened up with a die grinder.
I previously mentioned the poor...Mainshaft bearing support that is not part of the tailhousing.
The unbushed front case is just plain stupid. Stress on the cluster can start to work the counter gear shaft around until it is...out of round. This is when the cluster "corn cobs". Hahaha...I love that term.
The input shaft is too shallow in the cluster gear as well. GM 4-speed guys shim it backwards deeper into the cluster gear (.040-inch) with Rear pinion shims.
Blahblablablah
Geeeeez i can't remember all the stuff we used to do to Muncies to try to get them to run As well as an 18-spline A833 without any mods.
Burntorange70 got it right perfectly.... "There just "bashing the enemy". We do it all the time to them. Chevy's suck! LOL Just car guys being car guys is all."
I say good for them, I can take it.
chevrolet = Garbage.
jmo
SCREW EM! I have even a new Dodge 09 srt Challenger, car has hoards of people everywhere ya go, it is a luxury mans hot ron, NO it is not like an old A body which I own. But car hauls but in the 0-60, 1/4 and tops out around 190 if you have the guts. I have had it at 152mph in 5th and there is still 6yh.
Anyway even going to a car show the Ford and Chevy guys said the Moapr folks hit the mark for retro etc.
I am telling ya the new Camaro is OK glad another USA car was built etc.. But it looks import ish on the inside etc.
And many guys have ran them stk Vs stk. in a 1/4 the SRT will beat em given both cars have decent drivers.
12.90s stk at below 500' is about what they run stk, mine has been clocked 0-60 at a best of 4.24.
Well their loss I say we all know better.
It is like the last Motor trend, they take an SS Camaro, a GT roo and then compare to an R/T not an SRT.
what ever...
That is like comparing a Chysler NewYorker Broughm to a striped LTD.
Narrow minded people? Never heard any of this ****. If I had a penny for every hot GM product that went down the strip with a Muncie 4-speed I would be a rich man. Grew up in the 60's. The Muncie is one of the slickest transmissions to shift there is. Mopar transmissions took a **** to. Thats why they sold parts to fix them. If you will remember Bill "Grumpy" Jenkins held the national record in A/S with a 327 Nova and whipped the **** out of the street hemi. Don't get me wrong. I love mopars but don't be so narrow minded!!!!
A stock SS wont run a 12.2 Most run 13.3- 13.8 depends on AIR and driver.
When have so many guys even with stk R/Ts with 5.7s running low and I mean documented time slip posted 13.12s and one gu posted a 12.90, but I know he has a custome tune as well.
Anyway the point is that they are yupi cars for mainly yupi tools.
Regardless, the 64 Dart with the stroker 416 will destroy all of them in the 1/4.
But my 09 srt with the 6 spd does have a 3.92 posi, would impressive you for sure it halls balls for a 4000 car.
But it is the top end that is a monster, like I said 178 -185 stk is documented on the challenger. I oulled 152 in 5th and she was still pulling before I upshifted to 6th and coasted back dow.
And at 120 car feels like maybe 90-100, at 150 I swear I was only running maybe 125 ish. Car is smooth and they did a good job for a modern car.
But that SS stock will not do a 12.2, add a custom tune, some cat backs and cai yes maybe.. then I am sure with a good driver and better than stock tires. it to is a 4000 lb car, the 60' times suck on these big cars and they nead at least a set of drag radials to get moving...
You cant go to a cruise night here with out row after row of red with white stripes chevelles and camaros how do they know which one is theres when its time to leave and its dark?? I like all makes and models but never owned anything but a mopar. defineatly the most diverse IMO with colors,engineand body style choices and by far the coolest people to deal with.
Everyone needs to own a chevy one time to appreciate a good Mopar.
Fastest road test i could find put the SS at 13 flat with 111mph.
Narrow minded people? Never heard any of this ****. If I had a penny for every hot GM product that went down the strip with a Muncie 4-speed I would be a rich man. Grew up in the 60's. The Muncie is one of the slickest transmissions to shift there is. Mopar transmissions took a **** to. Thats why they sold parts to fix them. If you will remember Bill "Grumpy" Jenkins held the national record in A/S with a 327 Nova and whipped the **** out of the street hemi. Don't get me wrong. I love mopars but don't be so narrow minded!!!!
GM wouldn't even use the Muncie 3-speed until '70. They bought Top loader 3-speeds from Dearborn until they cost too much. Those HD 3-speeds were miles better than the Muncie. I'm not suprised you "never heard any of this ****". I grew up street racing for beer money in the '70s. I put in my time and money on those Muncie 4-speeds, and IMO they are weak. That is not narrow minded, it is the truth. I moved on... just like I am about to do with this "conversation".
Also...I seem to remember Jenkins got his *** handed to him at the Nationals in that very A/S car by Stahls street Hemi.
I'm just posting numbers from nationally know sources found on the net.
I have been all over the net and the only 2010 Camaro I could find running in the 12s was modified with a cold air intake and a tune . It ran a 12.58 @ 111.26.
I could not find even 1 running 12s in pure stock form.
Saginaw made the full synchro three speed from '66 thru '69. I think Muncie took over after that. It was standard equipment in SB Corvettes.GM wouldn't even use the Muncie 3-speed until '70. They bought Top loader 3-speeds from Dearborn until they cost too much. Those HD 3-speeds were miles better than the Muncie. I'm not suprised you "never heard any of this ****". I grew up street racing for beer money in the '70s. I put in my time and money on those Muncie 4-speeds, and IMO they are weak. That is not narrow minded, it is the truth. I moved on... just like I am about to do with this "conversation".
Also...I seem to remember Jenkins got his *** handed to him at the Nationals in that very A/S car by Stahls street Hemi.
Now your talking top loader 3-speeds? Your just f---ing with us right? Jesus!
What ever your wave length is I'm not on it and don't want to be. Jesus!! Your user name fits the bill!!!!
George, The heavy duty 3-speed offered in GM cars was built by Ford. Perhaps the Sag was a Chevy thing.Saginaw made the full synchro three speed from '66 thru '69. I think Muncie took over after that. It was standard equipment in SB Corvettes.
George
George, The heavy duty 3-speed offered in GM cars was built by Ford. Perhaps the Sag was a Chevy thing.