foose is hacking up another mopar !

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I don't care for his stuff but it is what he is known for so I'm not shocked and I could care less about that cuda. Some of you guys are all fired up about this and I'm not really sure why. If chip foose works on something then you can guess pretty accurately what it will look like.

I don't watch a monkeys butt and then get surprised when a turd comes out.
 
Overhaulin' customizes, they don't restore. If you are looking to stay true to the original, don't do their show. That's not what they're about. That being said, they do a beautiful job creating new takes on the classics. And for the people who don't have the money to invest and want shiny over the top fabulous, go for it! But know what you're getting into before you do it. That way, no regrets. :)
 
I always felt the people on that show are not real car guys but rather they fall into the "bought not build" crowd
 
I personally think Foose is a very talented person but some of his builds border on ruining a car and the big wheels suck. I am one whom would not like him building my car his style don't suit my taste, i'm with the folks here thinking old school builds, some custom touches are cool but the best are small ones that you don't see at first but notice as you look the car over, shaving emblems and handles work on some cars but not all. Kindig is a good builder but Rad rides by Troy is my choice for top custom builder!!!!
 
so as a lawyer... and a die hard "original only" mopar fan and collector, everytime i watch "Overhaulin" a single thought keeps coming into my mind: how long is it going to take for someone to sue the pants off of foose for destroying their car? i'll answer my own question ... foose has good lawyers and i'm sure he NEVER touches a car unless he has a signed agreement from the owner granting him permission to do whatever he wants to their car - forget the TV "BS" about all the "surprises." foose has a multi-million dollar shop and you can sue anyone for anything in california so i have to believe he does not take chances with other people's cars. the only thing i can figure is that either the people who allow foose to cut up valuable original cars do not know what their cars are worth in original condition OR they think that having "foose" do their car is going to make it massively valuable. in california, maybe every foose car is a six figure car - who knows.

in california, the big wheels, lowered to the ground so you can't drive the car and bazaar paint jobs is the current trend/craze. it's certainly not my cup of tea and i just don't understand folks who think old muscle cars look "better" or even "a little attractive" treated to such modifications. size of wheels and ground clearance were not things that designers didn't know anything about in the 60's and 70's. when you look at original cars of the 60's and 70's, ALL of the design is BALANCED. there is no single visual element that is out of proportion when viewing these cars. so exagerating a single element of these cars just makes them look like cartoon or clown cars to me. and what sense does dropping a car to 2-3" off the ground make? you CAN'T DRIVE a car set up that way on normal roads!! now an adjustable air suspension is a different matter, but foose doesn't put that kind of suspension on these cars.

yea, i'm old so i am probably incabable of "appreciating" foose's cars. i guess i'll just have to live with that fact and settle for driving my 68 cuda with 15" tires and all the OEM door handles.
 
Can't stand that show, he has some kind of fetish with 2 toning ****, I would let him do mine up to paint, just leave it in primer please! I'll take the hemi, and all the other goodie though lol!
 
I'd like to see the fender tag. Looked like a high optioned car. A/C , cruise, power windows. I'm sure it was a 318 0r 383 2 bbl. But still a great car new. I don't like the shaved stuff.
Not my car so as long as the owners are happy.
 
WRB426 said:
Not my car so as long as the owners are happy.
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I like Foose's stuff minus the ugly wheels and liked this build but I don't think the owners were very happy with it.They told him they weren't happy with the motor and all he did was paint it and they wanted the car Black and he painted in Purple.Someone said they thought Chip was in a styling rutt and I think that may be. I guess those of us that aren't impressed with restorations and prefer mods will always be at odds with those that are purist.Nothing wrong with either way.:cheers:
 
WRB426 said:
I'd like to see the fender tag. Looked like a high optioned car. A/C , cruise, power windows. I'm sure it was a 318 0r 383 2 bbl. But still a great car new. I don't like the shaved stuff.
Not my car so as long as the owners are happy.
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It was difficult to read but they did show the fender tag on the show.

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I tried to decode what I could but I couldn't tell what all of the digits were. That's probably why I was coming up with several 'unknown' hits on the decoder.

BP23:
Plymouth Barracuda
Unknown
2 Door Hardtop

NGE: Unknown
Unknown
Los Angeles, CA, USA

11109: Sequence number

D32: Heavy Duty Automatic Transmission
IX6: Exterior Color
PRX9: Trim - Premium, Leather Bucket Seats, Black
000: Full Door Panels
A10: Build Date: October 10
0295: Order number

V2X: Top Color
A01: Light Package
AG2: Unknown
B51: Power Brakes
C16: Console w/Woodgrain Panel

C55: Bucket Seats
C62: Left-hand 6 way Adjustable Bucket Seat
G33: LH Remote Racing Mirror
H50: Unknown
JR5: Unknown

W25: Unknown
M25: Wide sill moldings
M31: Belt Moldings
N40: Unknown
 
VIN looks like BP23N0E111094. Holy crap, that was a factory Gran Coupe with 383 hipo they butchered! An early year 1970 LA-built car. Very rare.
 
I cannot stand his style although he executes it well.
 
My guess is he avoids the trouble and hunt for original/ correct/ aftermarket/ parts by "customizing" his cars. who needs to find the correct emblems and or marker lights etc. if you just "shave it" and call it custom. just a clever way of avoiding the correct way to do it. Years ago I watched them mud over a trunk lock mechanism after they hammered it out with a chisel and hammer because they couldn't come up with the key. Chip said "we'll just hook up a remote lock". Now that's custom!!:violent1:
 
I've got a lot of respect for Foose's vision and work. He's turned out some spectacular show cars over the years. That's what he does...show cars.
That said, this Cuda is a disaster on a bunch of levels. If it was my car being unveiled looking like that, I'm not sure there are forces in the universe strong enough to keep me from going Jihad on the cast and crew.
Here's the bottom line...and this is from someone who's been at all levels of this stuff for going on 40 years.
Cars of this era...60's-early 70's only look and feel right done certain ways:
-Restored to Dead Stock
-Drag or Circle Track Race Car
-Period Streetfreak, Street Machine
-Low Key, all business Street Racer/Sleeper
And here is why I say this.
The stylists of this era were going for a very specific look. The wheel openings and the curvature around them were designed to look right with a certain amount of rubber..or black showing. It's a proportion and flow that can't be altered because they are integrated throughout the entire cars styling. As soon as you add more rim, that flow is disturbed. Using the Cuda as an example, think about how "right" they look with the rear wheel openings stuffed with 14x32's Super Stock style...small diameter rim, TONS of big black rubber. Now look at the pic of this car, and compare. It's awkward and unbalanced.
By comparison, the new Challenger has huge rims and very little sidewall showing, but it looks right and in proportion...because the car was penned by the stylists with those rims in mind.
I'm not being closed minded here, or a purist or out of touch. There are some things that just don't go together. Huge rims on Musclecar era cars just don't go.
 
I say give it a good once over with some 2000g sandpaper, shoot it in "hot rod black", swap the wheels/tires out for some 15" Cragars and drive the hell out of it!
 
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You choose ! ? #1- Incorrect purple ? #2- triple black ?View attachment 1714788808

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I vote #2 all day long! Also those door handles and side marker lights look good on that car as they are not gawdy looking and kind of flow with and accent the body lines. Foose made a comment about Mopars having cheap interiors, I've owned 3 e-bodies and their interiors were way better than any Camaro or Mustang. I think Foose just doesn't like doing Mopars that is why he keeps butchering them.
 
holmes said:
I vote #2 all day long! Also those door handles and side marker lights look good on that car as they are not gawdy looking and kind of flow with and accent the body lines. Foose made a comment about Mopars having cheap interiors, I've owned 3 e-bodies and their interiors were way better than any Camaro or Mustang. I think Foose just doesn't like doing Mopars that is why he keeps butchering them.
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According to the fender tag it was equipped with leather seats too.
 
jimharvard said:
so as a lawyer... and a die hard "original only" mopar fan and collector, everytime i watch "Overhaulin" a single thought keeps coming into my mind: how long is it going to take for someone to sue the pants off of foose for destroying their car? i'll answer my own question ... foose has good lawyers and i'm sure he NEVER touches a car unless he has a signed agreement from the owner granting him permission to do whatever he wants to their car - forget the TV "BS" about all the "surprises." foose has a multi-million dollar shop and you can sue anyone for anything in california so i have to believe he does not take chances with other people's cars. the only thing i can figure is that either the people who allow foose to cut up valuable original cars do not know what their cars are worth in original condition OR they think that having "foose" do their car is going to make it massively valuable. in california, maybe every foose car is a six figure car - who knows.

in california, the big wheels, lowered to the ground so you can't drive the car and bazaar paint jobs is the current trend/craze. it's certainly not my cup of tea and i just don't understand folks who think old muscle cars look "better" or even "a little attractive" treated to such modifications. size of wheels and ground clearance were not things that designers didn't know anything about in the 60's and 70's. when you look at original cars of the 60's and 70's, ALL of the design is BALANCED. there is no single visual element that is out of proportion when viewing these cars. so exagerating a single element of these cars just makes them look like cartoon or clown cars to me. and what sense does dropping a car to 2-3" off the ground make? you CAN'T DRIVE a car set up that way on normal roads!! now an adjustable air suspension is a different matter, but foose doesn't put that kind of suspension on these cars.

yea, i'm old so i am probably incabable of "appreciating" foose's cars. i guess i'll just have to live with that fact and settle for driving my 68 cuda with 15" tires and all the OEM door handles.
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Well said right on the money! Too many people today learning the lessons the hard and expensive way by getting into builds and re-powering that result in "Look Good Drive Bad". Been there done that in my younger days and it is not a happy situation. You are quite correct that for the most part the OEM engineers knew what they were doing.
 
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