Power rear windows in an early Dart?

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Has anyone done it? Is there even space for it?
 
I was just looking at mine yesterday when i was lubing them up. I dont think theres alot of room in there ro mount a motor and the dont sit flush with the body kind of at an angle. I would be interested also.
 
1963dartgt said:
I was just looking at mine yesterday when i was lubing them up. I dont think theres alot of room in there ro mount a motor and the dont sit flush with the body kind of at an angle. I would be interested also.
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I suppose one of those universal kits that turn your stock manual regulator could be used, but they don't seem that robust
 
Yeah i seen the ones that attach to the crank handle. I suppose if the move freely they would be ok.
 
Could you adapt a modern day cable driven type window regulator? They started that some years ago, I'd think you could get more versatility from that style vs a gear based system.
 
LocuMob said:
Could you adapt a modern day cable driven type window regulator? They started that some years ago, I'd think you could get more versatility from that style vs a gear based system.
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The ones on ebay look to me like they are cable types, that turn the handle shafts. Looking at them for a p/u, and my 68 fish. I`m surprised no one on here has tried it.
 
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my 57 Fairlane 500 had power windows and seats, and a scanning radio.
 
famous bob said:
The ones on ebay look to me like they are cable types, that turn the handle shafts. Looking at them for a p/u, and my 68 fish. I`m surprised no one on here has tried it.
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I have a convertible which is even worse on the space issue and tried the cable driver route.. not enough torque to roll up and down the windows is what happened. So I turned the motor around and welded a bracket to the regulator and a bit of sheet metal cutting and it's done. motors cam from 90's dakotas,rams and big vans.
motor with bracket made
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how the gear fits into the regulator
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yes, it fits behind the panel (close) this side has to be clocked more so I can get adjustment without hitting the door jamb
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66Dvert said:
I have a convertible which is even worse on the space issue and tried the cable driver route.. not enough torque to roll up and down the windows is what happened. So I turned the motor around and welded a bracket to the regulator and a bit of sheet metal cutting and it's done. motors cam from 90's dakotas,rams and big vans.
motor with bracket made
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how the gear fits into the regulator
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yes, it fits behind the panel (close) this side has to be clocked more so I can get adjustment without hitting the door jamb View attachment 1715064849
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That's sweet there. You should just make them for us. Solves both issues.
 
Peyote said:
Has anyone done it? Is there even space for it?
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I did powerwindows in my -64 Dart GT back around 1988. It took som fabrication but worked great. I used the motors from a Volvo 740 (I worked at Volvo at the time). The gear on the volvoparts fits perfectly with the gear in the Dart windows. The electricals took som working but that was because I wanted an older style switch and didnt like the modern switch from the volvo.
Sorry no pictures of the installation. I still have the car but its in the backcorner of my shop, behind other cars and a lot of other stuff.
 
Deemo said:
That's sweet there. You should just make them for us. Solves both issues.
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heck no they are a pain in the butt to do. I wish I could have located smaller motors that would have rolled up and down the windows, I tried a few smaller ones from the salvage yards from Jap imports and European cars but they just were not powerful enough (didn't help that I needed to clean and lube up the mechanism)

but I can do a printout or cad file of the little C bracket that you weld onto the regulator. You will have to clock the regulators differently to clear the door jamb on the rears. here is a picture of the space you have to play in.
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Yeah it's tight, that is why I decided to reverse the motor to the inside of the car and cut a bit of the sheet metal
 
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I'm sure with a cleaned and lubed regulator that a cable drive system would have enough power for our little quarter windows...they were made to lift full sized windows after all
 
There is a kit for a bodies available from classic industries . Saw it in the catalog this morning
 
66Dvert said:
heck no they are a pain in the butt to do. I wish I could have located smaller motors that would have rolled up and down the windows, I tried a few smaller ones from the salvage yards from Jap imports and European cars but they just were not powerful enough (didn't help that I needed to clean and lube up the mechanism)

but I can do a printout or cad file of the little C bracket that you weld onto the regulator. You will have to clock the regulators differently to clear the door jamb on the rears. here is a picture of the space you have to play in.
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Yeah it's tight, that is why I decided to reverse the motor to the inside of the car and cut a bit of the sheet metal
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Still, it's neat you took the time to figure it out. Someone will chime in and have a fix for those motors. Pretty impressive you did that and it worked. Have you tried and of the motors out of any of the new Chrysler stuff???
 
Deemo said:
Still, it's neat you took the time to figure it out. Someone will chime in and have a fix for those motors. Pretty impressive you did that and it worked. Have you tried and of the motors out of any of the new Chrysler stuff???
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Yep I have tried 2004,2007.2013 dodge minivan cable operated(really wanted these to work since they are cheap in salvage yards) 2001 volvo(almost had enough power and might have worked if I had cleaned and lubed the regulator),saab, ford and pontiac cable operated motors. toyotas really sucked power wise but fit perfect.

I'm still hoping I can find a cabled motor that rolls up a LARGE window and can be adapted to the curved rear regulator.
 
66Dvert said:
heck no they are a pain in the butt to do. I wish I could have located smaller motors that would have rolled up and down the windows, I tried a few smaller ones from the salvage yards from Jap imports and European cars but they just were not powerful enough (didn't help that I needed to clean and lube up the mechanism)

but I can do a printout or cad file of the little C bracket that you weld onto the regulator. You will have to clock the regulators differently to clear the door jamb on the rears. here is a picture of the space you have to play in.
View attachment 1715064973




Yeah it's tight, that is why I decided to reverse the motor to the inside of the car and cut a bit of the sheet metal
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Do you still have the printout for the C shaped adapter you made? I am trying to power windows in a sedan for my wife
 
No, but they are easy to make, grab some poster board and use the motor mounting holes to make the main part and mark the gear location and size, then take the gutted manual regulator and place the gear hole over the gear teeth in the regulator double check to make sure it clears the raise and lowering of the glass,plus make it in position to let you have access to the 10mm bolt or 3/bolts depending on what car/truck you got the motor from slot 1 hole for a tiny bit of adjustment so the motor meshes with the gear. tack weld it on to check operation in all ranges,once it's okay and you are satisfied with it then finish welding it up
 
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