We're Back! American Astronauts Launched In An American Rocket From American Soil

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Not going to try to change your mind. Just wondered if you knew?
Seems for less than half a percent of the total US budget, the US taxpayers get a hell of a lot for their money.
But I may be biased, lol.

NASA's budget for fiscal year (FY) 2020 is $22.6 billion. It represents 0.48% of the $4.7 trillion the United States plans to spend in the fiscal year. Since its inception, the United States has spent nearly US$650 billion (in nominal dollars) on NASA.

Money well spent, in my book.

im gonna try that argument with my wife
"listen honey, can i spend 100 bucks we dont have on my duster?
i know we dont have it, but we're spending 1800 a month on a mortgage and this is way less then that"

see my problem with that reasoning?

That’s because you’re completely ignorant of all the “useful” things we have today that exist because of space exploration and funding.

GPS, most of your hospital scanning equipment, wireless technology, LED’s, memory foam, scratch proof eyeglass coatings, cochlear implants, hand held vacuums, etc, etc all were either developed for or benefitted greatly from space research.

Just a few
JPL | 20 Inventions We Wouldn't Have Without Space Travel

few more
15 Space Age Inventions and Technologies We Use Everyday

not completely ignorant, i know about WD-40

but does the US government get royalties off a can of WD-40?
do the feds own stock in Garmin?
if i buy LEDs does a chunk of that go the treasury for more then taxes?

why is the taxpayer funding all this R&D for stuff without getting a return on investment?


im not against these inventions, and im not saying its bad they were invented
i AM saying i dont think it is the right place to spend money
simple as that
 
im gonna try that argument with my wife
"listen honey, can i spend 100 bucks we dont have on my duster?
i know we dont have it, but we're spending 1800 a month on a mortgage and this is way less then that"

see my problem with that reasoning?
Sure.
But de funding NASA won't balance the budget. Using your example, that's more like a new oil filter then a hundred bucks, though.
And NASA is like a Duster. Not a Hemi Cuda.
 
Sure.
But de funding NASA won't balance the budget. Using your example, that's more like a new oil filter then a hundred bucks, though.
And NASA is like a Duster. Not a Hemi Cuda.

I got news for ya, the budget will never be balanced , they cant even pay china the interest on it now .
Only way that it could be balanced , would be for the gov. itself to find a huge amount of gold on gov. land , big enough to wipe out the debt.
 
I got news for ya, the budget will never be balanced , they cant even pay china the interest on it now .
Only way that it could be balanced , would be for the gov. itself to find a huge amount of gold on gov. land , big enough to wipe out the debt.
Maybe. Maybe not. Done going there in this thread. OP started a thread about space. Apologies to him if I had anything to do with derailing to politics.
 
That would sure be crowded on a long distance mission such as Mars.
That's a whole nother deal there. But we are working on it!
Artemis is a big rocket compared to the little firecrackers we're shooting off nowadays.
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im gonna try that argument with my wife
"listen honey, can i spend 100 bucks we dont have on my duster?
i know we dont have it, but we're spending 1800 a month on a mortgage and this is way less then that"

see my problem with that reasoning?



not completely ignorant, i know about WD-40

but does the US government get royalties off a can of WD-40?
do the feds own stock in Garmin?
if i buy LEDs does a chunk of that go the treasury for more then taxes?

why is the taxpayer funding all this R&D for stuff without getting a return on investment?


im not against these inventions, and im not saying its bad they were invented
i AM saying i dont think it is the right place to spend money
simple as that

It's not as simple as that, you clearly don't understand the reality. So yes, your opinion is misinformed and based out of ignorance, your view is dramatically over simplistic.

First, NASA does own patents.
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/...lable-in-public-domain-to-benefit-us-industry

Second, the government DOES make money off of those inventions in the form of taxes. The commercial businesses that make those technologies pay taxes. They employ thousands of people, who also pay income taxes. And then when you buy those items, YOU pay taxes in the form of sales tax (at least in a lot of places). And all of that money goes back to the government, both federal and local. It's more lucrative than if the government just collected money off the patents.

And lastly, the government wouldn't hold all those patents anyway. Many are developed by private industry on contract with the government to begin with, so, the contracted businesses own the patents for those inventions to begin with. NASA doesn't have the budget to develop a lot of that stuff in house anymore, so it's almost all contract work. If NASA were better funded, they would own more of those patents themselves and that money would go back to NASA's budget. But since NASA is so underfunded, the contractors develop a lot of the tech. But even then, those companies benefit, sell items developed with that technology, all of which generates taxes and fuels the economy.

It's better money spent than most of what the government spends money on.
 
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And lastly, the government wouldn't hold all those patents anyway. Many are developed by private industry on contract with the government to begin with, so, the contracted businesses own the patents for those inventions to begin with.

Stupid question, but if the contractor patents a products developed under contract with NASA, wouldn't NASA still own the patent?
 
The government has no money of it's own; it is all stolen from the taxpayers, and leveraged into chit they say we need.If every taxpayer stopped paying taxes, thechit would hit the fan all rightee. We are being force fed crap every day of our lives.
There is absolutely nothing in "space" we cannot do without.
Man needs four things for his body ; Food, water, shelter and because we are born without fur, and never grow fur, we need a body covering to protect us from the elements. That is all we need for our bodies.
And we need eachother, for emotional and intellectual comfort.
And we need belief in an absolute right and wrong, to feed our spirits, and govern our conduct.

None of those come from "space". Going there is a complete and utter waste
 
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Stupid question, but if the contractor patents a products developed under contract with NASA, wouldn't NASA still own the patent?

Not necessarily. It would be a matter of the details of the contract. Sometimes yes, sometimes most definitely no. SpaceX owns all the stuff they have developed. Some of it would be pretty complicated if classified missions are involved as well. Definitely a case by case basis.


The government has no money of it's own; it is all stolen from the taxpayers, and leveraged into chit they say we need.If every taxpayer stopped paying taxes, thechit would hit the fan all rightee. We are being force fed crap every day of our lives.
There is absolutely nothing in "space" we cannot do without.
Man needs four things for his body ; Food, water, shelter and because we are born without fur, and never grow fur, we need a body covering to protect us from the elements. That is all we need for our bodies.
And we need eachother, for emotional and intellectual comfort.
And we need belief in an absolute right and wrong, to feed our spirits, and govern our conduct.

None of those come from "space". Going there is a complete and utter waste. Mankind tried that once before, and got a kick in the teeth for it. History is about to repeat itself.
Earth is our dominion, and the first heaven where the birds fly.
The third heaven is the Dominion of AlmightyGod.
That place between those two, that men call "space", is the dominion of satan and his minions.Anything that comes into their dominion is there's for the taking; and Every time we go there, they are free to piggyback back to the surface of our Earth. It's like sending out an invitation......
now; I know you unbelievers cannot possibly understand that, and consider in mindless drivel, and until you physically see a demon, take no stock in such imaginations.
We Believers,on the otherhand are not limited to having such a limited thinking.
I do not need to see the evil spirit, to know when it comes around. I am 100% sure that there are other Believers just like me. I need not touch the wind, to know it's there.I cannot touch the blackness of the night, to know it's nighttime.

He says to a bunch of people that he would personally have no way of knowing or talking to without the technology developed either for or directly from our travels in space. You seem pretty comfortable using the spoils of our advances in technology for being so hard line.

Even by your own ridiculously flawed logic, God created everything. So, if there was no point in going there, no reason or benefit, then God would have no reason to have created it at all. Since by your own rules you can not know God's plan, it seems shockingly small minded and self righteous of you to be so confident in your own opinion.
 
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The amount of money our Gubm't squanders away by the minute is a number that would make no sense to me. Space travel and research is something beyond my imagination and depth. It's a worthy investment. In my lifetime it's not realistic for me however there is a generation that will have the opportunity to go into 0 gravity. Pretty neat stuff and glad to see it moving forward....

JW
 
And it does feed our spirits. Humankind has always thirsted for exploration. We travel to plenty of places on our own Earth that are completely incapable of sustaining life for any significant amount of time. We climb mountains, dive into the depths of the oceans, for what? Certainly not because we need to for food, or shelter, or water. The first sailors that left their fishing grounds and became the first sea explorers, what did they have to gain? And how many of them met watery graves? They could have just stayed home if all we needed was food and shelter. But without them where would we be today? The first aviators had no reason to take to the skies. And how many of them perished or got "kicked in the teeth" before we made aviation safer than almost all forms of ground travel? Before it tied us all together in a way never previously possible? We developed computers so we could calculate artillery trajectories so we could kill the crap out of each other. But then we put them use in exploration and discovery, and made ways of communicating that almost everyone now takes for granted.

Sorry, but we can not possibly know our potential as human beings if we just sit around and worry about food and shelter and chalk everything else up to a waste of time. We are rapidly developing technology that will, in the VERY near future, allow us to leave Earth and live on other planets. If that is within our capabilities, how can we know what our potential is if we don't try? And what about our success as a species? Tied to a single planet, our entire existence is easily wiped out by a rock just hurtling through space. Should we reach the point where people can inhabit multiple other planets, or even solar systems, then as a species our existence has the potential to outlast the span of our current home.

I'm no biblical scholar, but I'm pretty sure the bible covers people that just lay around, focus only on themselves, and never reach their "god given" potential. And I'm pretty sure that's not the example we're supposed to follow.
 
relax blu, you'll blow a gasket.
By your own admission, you are no biblical scholar. And neither am I. The difference is I asked and received a measure of understanding and stopped flailing about like a drowning creature.
We're in the General forum. I forgot that,and so deleated a portion of my earlier post, that I should not have posted. Hit refresh and cool your jets.
 
Seems some people have a natural curiosity to explore. Some don't.
JFK:
"So it is not surprising that some would have us stay where we are a little longer to rest, to wait. But this city of Houston, this State of Texas, this country of the United States was not built by those who waited and rested and wished to look behind them. This country was conquered by those who moved forward--and so will space."
 
relax blu, you'll blow a gasket.
By your own admission, you are no biblical scholar. And neither am I. The difference is I asked and received a measure of understanding and stopped flailing about like a drowning creature.
We're in the General forum. I forgot that,and so deleated a portion of my earlier post, that I should not have posted. Hit refresh and cool your jets.

Blow a gasket? Relax?

I'm not upset at all AJ. Just surprised at your lack of imagination. And my comments weren't intended to be taken as having malice against you. Your comments were surprising coming from someone I generally consider to be an intelligent person. And hypocritical really, because we literally couldn't even be having this conversation if we hadn't funded our endeavors in space. Your argument is horribly flawed from a logical standpoint regardless of your religious affiliation and beliefs, it's not malicious to say that.

Seems some people have a natural curiosity to explore. Some don't.
JFK:
"So it is not surprising that some would have us stay where we are a little longer to rest, to wait. But this city of Houston, this State of Texas, this country of the United States was not built by those who waited and rested and wished to look behind them. This country was conquered by those who moved forward--and so will space."

Exactly. Nothing in modern society would be possible if our ancestors had been content to simply provide for their own food and shelter. They dared to explore, to broaden their horizons. And now we can, quite literally, reach for the stars. Maybe it is ultimately folly, but there is no way of knowing if we don't try. And how boring and bland would our existence be if we didn't seek to find the boundaries of our existence?
 
And how boring and bland would our existence be if we didn't seek to find the boundaries of our existence?

This ought to raise both questions and replies: To seek the boundaries of our existence may also help reveal the source.
 
What the hell. I'll post the whole thing. It's not that long. Skip it if you want. He covered a lot of the same arguments we still hear today.

John F. Kennedy Moon Speech - Rice Stadium
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September 12, 1962

President Pitzer, Mr. Vice President, Governor, Congressman Thomas, Senator Wiley, and Congressman Miller, Mr. Webb, Mr. Bell, scientists, distinguished guests, and ladies and gentlemen:

I appreciate your president having made me an honorary visiting professor, and I will assure you that my first lecture will be very brief.

I am delighted to be here, and I'm particularly delighted to be here on this occasion.

We meet at a college noted for knowledge, in a city noted for progress, in a State noted for strength, and we stand in need of all three, for we meet in an hour of change and challenge, in a decade of hope and fear, in an age of both knowledge and ignorance. The greater our knowledge increases, the greater our ignorance unfolds.

Despite the striking fact that most of the scientists that the world has ever known are alive and working today, despite the fact that this Nation¹s own scientific manpower is doubling every 12 years in a rate of growth more than three times that of our population as a whole, despite that, the vast stretches of the unknown and the unanswered and the unfinished still far outstrip our collective comprehension.

No man can fully grasp how far and how fast we have come, but condense, if you will, the 50,000 years of man¹s recorded history in a time span of but a half-century. Stated in these terms, we know very little about the first 40 years, except at the end of them advanced man had learned to use the skins of animals to cover them. Then about 10 years ago, under this standard, man emerged from his caves to construct other kinds of shelter. Only five years ago man learned to write and use a cart with wheels. Christianity began less than two years ago. The printing press came this year, and then less than two months ago, during this whole 50-year span of human history, the steam engine provided a new source of power.

Newton explored the meaning of gravity. Last month electric lights and telephones and automobiles and airplanes became available. Only last week did we develop penicillin and television and nuclear power, and now if America's new spacecraft succeeds in reaching Venus, we will have literally reached the stars before midnight tonight.

This is a breathtaking pace, and such a pace cannot help but create new ills as it dispels old, new ignorance, new problems, new dangers. Surely the opening vistas of space promise high costs and hardships, as well as high reward.

So it is not surprising that some would have us stay where we are a little longer to rest, to wait. But this city of Houston, this State of Texas, this country of the United States was not built by those who waited and rested and wished to look behind them. This country was conquered by those who moved forward--and so will space.

William Bradford, speaking in 1630 of the founding of the Plymouth Bay Colony, said that all great and honorable actions are accompanied with great difficulties, and both must be enterprised and overcome with answerable courage.

If this capsule history of our progress teaches us anything, it is that man, in his quest for knowledge and progress, is determined and cannot be deterred. The exploration of space will go ahead, whether we join in it or not, and it is one of the great adventures of all time, and no nation which expects to be the leader of other nations can expect to stay behind in the race for space.

Those who came before us made certain that this country rode the first waves of the industrial revolutions, the first waves of modern invention, and the first wave of nuclear power, and this generation does not intend to founder in the backwash of the coming age of space. We mean to be a part of it--we mean to lead it. For the eyes of the world now look into space, to the moon and to the planets beyond, and we have vowed that we shall not see it governed by a hostile flag of conquest, but by a banner of freedom and peace. We have vowed that we shall not see space filled with weapons of mass destruction, but with instruments of knowledge and understanding.

Yet the vows of this Nation can only be fulfilled if we in this Nation are first, and, therefore, we intend to be first. In short, our leadership in science and in industry, our hopes for peace and security, our obligations to ourselves as well as others, all require us to make this effort, to solve these mysteries, to solve them for the good of all men, and to become the world's leading space-faring nation.

We set sail on this new sea because there is new knowledge to be gained, and new rights to be won, and they must be won and used for the progress of all people. For space science, like nuclear science and all technology, has no conscience of its own. Whether it will become a force for good or ill depends on man, and only if the United States occupies a position of pre-eminence can we help decide whether this new ocean will be a sea of peace or a new terrifying theater of war. I do not say the we should or will go unprotected against the hostile misuse of space any more than we go unprotected against the hostile use of land or sea, but I do say that space can be explored and mastered without feeding the fires of war, without repeating the mistakes that man has made in extending his writ around this globe of ours.

There is no strife, no prejudice, no national conflict in outer space as yet. Its hazards are hostile to us all. Its conquest deserves the best of all mankind, and its opportunity for peaceful cooperation many never come again. But why, some say, the moon? Why choose this as our goal? And they may well ask why climb the highest mountain? Why, 35 years ago, fly the Atlantic? Why does Rice play Texas?

We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.

It is for these reasons that I regard the decision last year to shift our efforts in space from low to high gear as among the most important decisions that will be made during my incumbency in the office of the Presidency.

In the last 24 hours we have seen facilities now being created for the greatest and most complex exploration in man's history. We have felt the ground shake and the air shattered by the testing of a Saturn C-1 booster rocket, many times as powerful as the Atlas which launched John Glenn, generating power equivalent to 10,000 automobiles with their accelerators on the floor. We have seen the site where the F-1 rocket engines, each one as powerful as all eight engines of the Saturn combined, will be clustered together to make the advanced Saturn missile, assembled in a new building to be built at Cape Canaveral as tall as a 48 story structure, as wide as a city block, and as long as two lengths of this field.

Within these last 19 months at least 45 satellites have circled the earth. Some 40 of them were "made in the United States of America" and they were far more sophisticated and supplied far more knowledge to the people of the world than those of the Soviet Union.

The Mariner spacecraft now on its way to Venus is the most intricate instrument in the history of space science. The accuracy of that shot is comparable to firing a missile from Cape Canaveral and dropping it in this stadium between the the 40-yard lines.

Transit satellites are helping our ships at sea to steer a safer course. Tiros satellites have given us unprecedented warnings of hurricanes and storms, and will do the same for forest fires and icebergs.

We have had our failures, but so have others, even if they do not admit them. And they may be less public.

To be sure, we are behind, and will be behind for some time in manned flight. But we do not intend to stay behind, and in this decade, we shall make up and move ahead.

The growth of our science and education will be enriched by new knowledge of our universe and environment, by new techniques of learning and mapping and observation, by new tools and computers for industry, medicine, the home as well as the school. Technical institutions, such as Rice, will reap the harvest of these gains.

And finally, the space effort itself, while still in its infancy, has already created a great number of new companies, and tens of thousands of new jobs. Space and related industries are generating new demands in investment and skilled personnel, and this city and this State, and this region, will share greatly in this growth. What was once the furthest outpost on the old frontier of the West will be the furthest outpost on the new frontier of science and space. Houston, your City of Houston, with its Manned Spacecraft Center, will become the heart of a large scientific and engineering community. During the next 5 years the National Aeronautics and Space Administration expects to double the number of scientists and engineers in this area, to increase its outlays for salaries and expenses to $60 million a year; to invest some $200 million in plant and laboratory facilities; and to direct or contract for new space efforts over $1 billion from this Center in this City.

To be sure, all this costs us all a good deal of money. This year¹s space budget is three times what it was in January 1961, and it is greater than the space budget of the previous eight years combined. That budget now stands at $5,400 million a year--a staggering sum, though somewhat less than we pay for cigarettes and cigars every year. Space expenditures will soon rise some more, from 40 cents per person per week to more than 50 cents a week for every man, woman and child in the United Stated, for we have given this program a high national priority--even though I realize that this is in some measure an act of faith and vision, for we do not now know what benefits await us.

But if I were to say, my fellow citizens, that we shall send to the moon, 240,000 miles away from the control station in Houston, a giant rocket more than 300 feet tall, the length of this football field, made of new metal alloys, some of which have not yet been invented, capable of standing heat and stresses several times more than have ever been experienced, fitted together with a precision better than the finest watch, carrying all the equipment needed for propulsion, guidance, control, communications, food and survival, on an untried mission, to an unknown celestial body, and then return it safely to earth, re-entering the atmosphere at speeds of over 25,000 miles per hour, causing heat about half that of the temperature of the sun--almost as hot as it is here today--and do all this, and do it right, and do it first before this decade is out--then we must be bold.

I'm the one who is doing all the work, so we just want you to stay cool for a minute. [laughter]

However, I think we're going to do it, and I think that we must pay what needs to be paid. I don't think we ought to waste any money, but I think we ought to do the job. And this will be done in the decade of the sixties. It may be done while some of you are still here at school at this college and university. It will be done during the term of office of some of the people who sit here on this platform. But it will be done. And it will be done before the end of this decade.

I am delighted that this university is playing a part in putting a man on the moon as part of a great national effort of the United States of America.

Many years ago the great British explorer George Mallory, who was to die on Mount Everest, was asked why did he want to climb it. He said, "Because it is there."

Well, space is there, and we're going to climb it, and the moon and the planets are there, and new hopes for knowledge and peace are there. And, therefore, as we set sail we ask God's blessing on the most hazardous and dangerous and greatest adventure on which man has ever embarked.

Thank you.
 
This ought to raise both questions and replies: To seek the boundaries of our existence may also help reveal the source.

Exactly. And no doubt a split of opinion, which is fine. If our origin can be known, shouldn't we try to find it? If it can not be known, whether that is because of scientific or religious reasons, then it will not be revealed to us no matter what we do.

How can we reach our full potential if we do not explore our boundaries? Maybe our origin can not be known, but that doesn't make the search futile. Where would we be now if at some point our ancestors had just decided to stop venturing beyond what they already knew?

All of our previous exploration has advanced society, improved our knowledge and fueled our current technology. At some point that will likely not be the result, and that may be the end of our exploration. But we haven't reached that point yet, so, why give up?

What the hell. I'll post the whole thing. It's not that long. Skip it if you want. He covered a lot of the same arguments we still hear today.

John F. Kennedy Moon Speech - Rice Stadium
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September 12, 1962

President Pitzer, Mr. Vice President, Governor, Congressman Thomas, Senator Wiley, and Congressman Miller, Mr. Webb, Mr. Bell, scientists, distinguished guests, and ladies and gentlemen:

I appreciate your president having made me an honorary visiting professor, and I will assure you that my first lecture will be very brief.

I am delighted to be here, and I'm particularly delighted to be here on this occasion.

We meet at a college noted for knowledge, in a city noted for progress, in a State noted for strength, and we stand in need of all three, for we meet in an hour of change and challenge, in a decade of hope and fear, in an age of both knowledge and ignorance. The greater our knowledge increases, the greater our ignorance unfolds.

Despite the striking fact that most of the scientists that the world has ever known are alive and working today, despite the fact that this Nation¹s own scientific manpower is doubling every 12 years in a rate of growth more than three times that of our population as a whole, despite that, the vast stretches of the unknown and the unanswered and the unfinished still far outstrip our collective comprehension.

No man can fully grasp how far and how fast we have come, but condense, if you will, the 50,000 years of man¹s recorded history in a time span of but a half-century. Stated in these terms, we know very little about the first 40 years, except at the end of them advanced man had learned to use the skins of animals to cover them. Then about 10 years ago, under this standard, man emerged from his caves to construct other kinds of shelter. Only five years ago man learned to write and use a cart with wheels. Christianity began less than two years ago. The printing press came this year, and then less than two months ago, during this whole 50-year span of human history, the steam engine provided a new source of power.

Newton explored the meaning of gravity. Last month electric lights and telephones and automobiles and airplanes became available. Only last week did we develop penicillin and television and nuclear power, and now if America's new spacecraft succeeds in reaching Venus, we will have literally reached the stars before midnight tonight.

This is a breathtaking pace, and such a pace cannot help but create new ills as it dispels old, new ignorance, new problems, new dangers. Surely the opening vistas of space promise high costs and hardships, as well as high reward.

So it is not surprising that some would have us stay where we are a little longer to rest, to wait. But this city of Houston, this State of Texas, this country of the United States was not built by those who waited and rested and wished to look behind them. This country was conquered by those who moved forward--and so will space.

William Bradford, speaking in 1630 of the founding of the Plymouth Bay Colony, said that all great and honorable actions are accompanied with great difficulties, and both must be enterprised and overcome with answerable courage.

If this capsule history of our progress teaches us anything, it is that man, in his quest for knowledge and progress, is determined and cannot be deterred. The exploration of space will go ahead, whether we join in it or not, and it is one of the great adventures of all time, and no nation which expects to be the leader of other nations can expect to stay behind in the race for space.

Those who came before us made certain that this country rode the first waves of the industrial revolutions, the first waves of modern invention, and the first wave of nuclear power, and this generation does not intend to founder in the backwash of the coming age of space. We mean to be a part of it--we mean to lead it. For the eyes of the world now look into space, to the moon and to the planets beyond, and we have vowed that we shall not see it governed by a hostile flag of conquest, but by a banner of freedom and peace. We have vowed that we shall not see space filled with weapons of mass destruction, but with instruments of knowledge and understanding.

Yet the vows of this Nation can only be fulfilled if we in this Nation are first, and, therefore, we intend to be first. In short, our leadership in science and in industry, our hopes for peace and security, our obligations to ourselves as well as others, all require us to make this effort, to solve these mysteries, to solve them for the good of all men, and to become the world's leading space-faring nation.

We set sail on this new sea because there is new knowledge to be gained, and new rights to be won, and they must be won and used for the progress of all people. For space science, like nuclear science and all technology, has no conscience of its own. Whether it will become a force for good or ill depends on man, and only if the United States occupies a position of pre-eminence can we help decide whether this new ocean will be a sea of peace or a new terrifying theater of war. I do not say the we should or will go unprotected against the hostile misuse of space any more than we go unprotected against the hostile use of land or sea, but I do say that space can be explored and mastered without feeding the fires of war, without repeating the mistakes that man has made in extending his writ around this globe of ours.

There is no strife, no prejudice, no national conflict in outer space as yet. Its hazards are hostile to us all. Its conquest deserves the best of all mankind, and its opportunity for peaceful cooperation many never come again. But why, some say, the moon? Why choose this as our goal? And they may well ask why climb the highest mountain? Why, 35 years ago, fly the Atlantic? Why does Rice play Texas?

We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.

It is for these reasons that I regard the decision last year to shift our efforts in space from low to high gear as among the most important decisions that will be made during my incumbency in the office of the Presidency.

In the last 24 hours we have seen facilities now being created for the greatest and most complex exploration in man's history. We have felt the ground shake and the air shattered by the testing of a Saturn C-1 booster rocket, many times as powerful as the Atlas which launched John Glenn, generating power equivalent to 10,000 automobiles with their accelerators on the floor. We have seen the site where the F-1 rocket engines, each one as powerful as all eight engines of the Saturn combined, will be clustered together to make the advanced Saturn missile, assembled in a new building to be built at Cape Canaveral as tall as a 48 story structure, as wide as a city block, and as long as two lengths of this field.

Within these last 19 months at least 45 satellites have circled the earth. Some 40 of them were "made in the United States of America" and they were far more sophisticated and supplied far more knowledge to the people of the world than those of the Soviet Union.

The Mariner spacecraft now on its way to Venus is the most intricate instrument in the history of space science. The accuracy of that shot is comparable to firing a missile from Cape Canaveral and dropping it in this stadium between the the 40-yard lines.

Transit satellites are helping our ships at sea to steer a safer course. Tiros satellites have given us unprecedented warnings of hurricanes and storms, and will do the same for forest fires and icebergs.

We have had our failures, but so have others, even if they do not admit them. And they may be less public.

To be sure, we are behind, and will be behind for some time in manned flight. But we do not intend to stay behind, and in this decade, we shall make up and move ahead.

The growth of our science and education will be enriched by new knowledge of our universe and environment, by new techniques of learning and mapping and observation, by new tools and computers for industry, medicine, the home as well as the school. Technical institutions, such as Rice, will reap the harvest of these gains.

And finally, the space effort itself, while still in its infancy, has already created a great number of new companies, and tens of thousands of new jobs. Space and related industries are generating new demands in investment and skilled personnel, and this city and this State, and this region, will share greatly in this growth. What was once the furthest outpost on the old frontier of the West will be the furthest outpost on the new frontier of science and space. Houston, your City of Houston, with its Manned Spacecraft Center, will become the heart of a large scientific and engineering community. During the next 5 years the National Aeronautics and Space Administration expects to double the number of scientists and engineers in this area, to increase its outlays for salaries and expenses to $60 million a year; to invest some $200 million in plant and laboratory facilities; and to direct or contract for new space efforts over $1 billion from this Center in this City.

To be sure, all this costs us all a good deal of money. This year¹s space budget is three times what it was in January 1961, and it is greater than the space budget of the previous eight years combined. That budget now stands at $5,400 million a year--a staggering sum, though somewhat less than we pay for cigarettes and cigars every year. Space expenditures will soon rise some more, from 40 cents per person per week to more than 50 cents a week for every man, woman and child in the United Stated, for we have given this program a high national priority--even though I realize that this is in some measure an act of faith and vision, for we do not now know what benefits await us.

But if I were to say, my fellow citizens, that we shall send to the moon, 240,000 miles away from the control station in Houston, a giant rocket more than 300 feet tall, the length of this football field, made of new metal alloys, some of which have not yet been invented, capable of standing heat and stresses several times more than have ever been experienced, fitted together with a precision better than the finest watch, carrying all the equipment needed for propulsion, guidance, control, communications, food and survival, on an untried mission, to an unknown celestial body, and then return it safely to earth, re-entering the atmosphere at speeds of over 25,000 miles per hour, causing heat about half that of the temperature of the sun--almost as hot as it is here today--and do all this, and do it right, and do it first before this decade is out--then we must be bold.

I'm the one who is doing all the work, so we just want you to stay cool for a minute. [laughter]

However, I think we're going to do it, and I think that we must pay what needs to be paid. I don't think we ought to waste any money, but I think we ought to do the job. And this will be done in the decade of the sixties. It may be done while some of you are still here at school at this college and university. It will be done during the term of office of some of the people who sit here on this platform. But it will be done. And it will be done before the end of this decade.

I am delighted that this university is playing a part in putting a man on the moon as part of a great national effort of the United States of America.

Many years ago the great British explorer George Mallory, who was to die on Mount Everest, was asked why did he want to climb it. He said, "Because it is there."

Well, space is there, and we're going to climb it, and the moon and the planets are there, and new hopes for knowledge and peace are there. And, therefore, as we set sail we ask God's blessing on the most hazardous and dangerous and greatest adventure on which man has ever embarked.

Thank you.

I don't think it can be said better than that. The video of that speech is here

JFK's 'Moon Speech' Still Resonates, 50 Years Later | Space
 
we literally couldn't even be having this conversation
We don't need to be having this conversation here on the internet which we also do not need. If you haven't figured it out, all these technological things we have , all have one thing in common, and that is to separate humans from physically being with and touching eachother and talking to each other...... on a local basis, and getting along! It is the mass dumbing-down of humanity, to appease us while we are not slaving to "the man" for our daily bread.
Our kids go out into the world, and immediately become slaves, working zero-satisfaction jobs, committed to a mortgage for a shelter, to utilties for heat,running water, and a craper, and to a car-loan to travel to that meaningless job, and hopefully at the end of the week there is enough for daily-bread and water. In the meantime both parents are away at work, and strangers are rearing the young and filling their heads with lies. And after school ; oh lets play wargames on our little chit pieces of technology. And the beat goes on, every next generation deeper into the pit of dispair.
Because of the despair, society collapses into chaos and becomes a degenerate, baseless,mindless society of zombies, eating baby-flesh and street-shitting, with every kind of evil made legal.
Crime is on an ever upward spiral. Church is put into a 501C3 box , and God is banned from public. Science and Technology are the new gods,and the media is the blow-horn. Come they say; we will tell you what you need, what you need to know. We will tell you to stay away from work for many months until you either die, or are in a hole so deep you can never get out; you will be good little slaves now, won't you.... We will tell you what to eat, what to wear, where you can live and who your friends will be. You will stand in breadlines and you can't do a daymn thing about it. Some of you will eat your babies and kill your neighbors to eat them. Some of you will gnaw off your fingers because you are so hungry. Some of you will pray to the rocks to fall on you a merciful death.
Science, falsely so called, is NOT YOUR FRIEND!
"Space" travel is just a diversion to prevent you from seeing the TRUTH, that we are all scheduled for destruction. They will Kill the old and the feeble and the young ones, all who are too weak to work. Only the strong-bodied, feeble-minded, dumb-downed ones will be allowed to live as slaves. We have just seen the beginning stage with this cobid bullcrap.
Look; I'm no Biblical scholar either, And I have read the oft-quoted verses saying only the Father knows the day and the hour.
The thing that is RARELY quoted is that the YEAR is NEVER included in that quote, and we the Believers, are COMMANDED to understand when it is near, and to PREPARE ourselves, and to BE READY. Good luck getting that out of your 501C3 pastor!
Satan is making overtures. That was long ago prophesied. We will know when the End is near, by current World Events. There will be great signs in the sky. Earthquakes in diverse places, the size and number of which grows greater with the closer that we get to the Day and the Hour. STOP worshiping at the feet of Science and Technology, falsely so called. They are NOT your friend! I know it sounds Orwellian, but you and like-minded ones need to wake up! Science is killing us, little by little every day; while you are distracted by the toys it has brought. You look over here while death is slipped in over there. You cheer for this, and allow your babies to be murdered up to 4 months after being born. You wave your patriotic flags, while standing in quicksand. You breath eat andchit the corrupted things science has given you and alas you say,sickness and disease are an act of God and so besmirch His name to third third and fourth generation, your kids dying of genetic diseases. You have no understanding, because you ask not, and let not that double-minded man think that he will receive anything from God; a double-minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Read the Book; it's all in there.
 
We don't need to be having this conversation here on the internet which we also do not need.
Well then, stop being a hypocrite and just stop using it. Or is it really that you do need it as a way to spread YOUR words while simultaneously decrying it? If it is evil, stop using it and save yourself.

Look inside and judge yourself before you claim false provenance to declare truth and judgement of others.
 
We don't need to be having this conversation here on the internet which we also do not need. If you haven't figured it out, all these technological things we have , all have one thing in common, and that is to separate humans from physically being with and touching eachother and talking to each other...... on a local basis, and getting along! It is the mass dumbing-down of humanity, to appease us while we are not slaving to "the man" for our daily bread.
Our kids go out into the world, and immediately become slaves, working zero-satisfaction jobs, committed to a mortgage for a shelter, to utilties for heat,running water, and a craper, and to a car-loan to travel to that meaningless job, and hopefully at the end of the week there is enough for daily-bread and water. In the meantime both parents are away at work, and strangers are rearing the young and filling their heads with lies. And after school ; oh lets play wargames on our little chit pieces of technology. And the beat goes on, every next generation deeper into the pit of dispair.
Because of the despair, society collapses into chaos and becomes a degenerate, baseless,mindless society of zombies, eating baby-flesh and street-shitting, with every kind of evil made legal.
Crime is on an ever upward spiral. Church is put into a 501C3 box , and God is banned from public. Science and Technology are the new gods,and the media is the blow-horn. Come they say; we will tell you what you need, what you need to know. We will tell you to stay away from work for many months until you either die, or are in a hole so deep you can never get out; you will be good little slaves now, won't you.... We will tell you what to eat, what to wear, where you can live and who your friends will be. You will stand in breadlines and you can't do a daymn thing about it. Some of you will eat your babies and kill your neighbors to eat them. Some of you will gnaw off your fingers because you are so hungry. Some of you will pray to the rocks to fall on you a merciful death.
Science, falsely so called, is NOT YOUR FRIEND!
"Space" travel is just a diversion to prevent you from seeing the TRUTH, that we are all scheduled for destruction. They will Kill the old and the feeble and the young ones, all who are too weak to work. Only the strong-bodied, feeble-minded, dumb-downed ones will be allowed to live as slaves. We have just seen the beginning stage with this cobid bullcrap.
Look; I'm no Biblical scholar either, And I have read the oft-quoted verses saying only the Father knows the day and the hour.
The thing that is RARELY quoted is that the YEAR is NEVER included in that quote, and we the Believers, are COMMANDED to understand when it is near, and to PREPARE ourselves, and to BE READY. Good luck getting that out of your 501C3 pastor!
Satan is making overtures. That was long ago prophesied. We will know when the End is near, by current World Events. There will be great signs in the sky. Earthquakes in diverse places, the size and number of which grows greater with the closer that we get to the Day and the Hour. STOP worshiping at the feet of Science and Technology, falsely so called. They are NOT your friend! I know it sounds Orwellian, but you and like-minded ones need to wake up! Science is killing us, little by little every day; while you are distracted by the toys it has brought. You look over here while death is slipped in over there. You cheer for this, and allow your babies to be murdered up to 4 months after being born. You wave your patriotic flags, while standing in quicksand. You breath eat andchit the corrupted things science has given you and alas you say,sickness and disease are an act of God and so besmirch His name to third third and fourth generation, your kids dying of genetic diseases. You have no understanding, because you ask not, and let not that double-minded man think that he will receive anything from God; a double-minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Read the Book; it's all in there.

Whatever. Rockets are cool.:D
 
Well then, stop being a hypocrite and just stop using it. Or is it really that you do need it as a way to spread YOUR words while simultaneously decrying it? If it is evil, stop using it and save yourself.
Look inside and judge yourself before you claim false provenance to declare truth and judgement of others.

You don't get it; it's already here. I got a nice mattress; shall I stop using that too. I got a car, in my carport. I do not live in a tent, or walk everywhere I go. It's too late; this stuff is already here.
Do we need it; no we don't. Human needs are very basic. Beyond the needs is gravy.
But we teach our kids that they can do anything/ be anything/ everybody is equal, reach for the stars BS. Step on the poor. Step on the indigent. Free love like dogs, and if you get pregnant it's Ok just get rid of it.Somebody will collect it and sell the parts to some rich plick, and the world keeps on turning. Drugs are OK, alcohol is OK, Dope is Ok. Drown your sorrows but always take take take.If you get caught, it's OK, we'll put you in a nice room,give you food shelter and clothing, a TV a computer a sex-buddy, conjugal rights;If you get pregnant, that's OK we'll sell it for you. What more could you ask for.
Freedom? What's that? On the outside yur a bigger slave than in here. Gee, I wonder what the covid stats are in the prison population.....
I predict, the next wave will be in prisons. Why? Well think about it.....
This is a war. Those in power want world population reduced to a small percentage of nice, dumbed-down, obedient slaves.
Who were the first victims? The old, the sick, the dying, the feeble, and kids. Not on the list to make very good slaves.
Who will be next? I suspect it will be those already dependent, on the system, like; those in prison, those on welfare, those in retirement collecting pensions, Useless eaters they are called; not on the list to make good slaves.
After that, the population remaining is say from 15 to 50 years old. Now they can start the selection process, taking those in their prime physical condition, with as few smarts as possible.
To what end?
Aw com'on, these slaves will become NWO farmers and animal husbandmen and vintners etc, doing for the Elite, what they will not do for themselves.
Wake up; it's a WAR!
 
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