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Trying to repair some bad connectors in my wiring harness. Have some 14 gauge, 16 gauge and 18 gauge wire. Connectors are the Packard 56 ones and I this is my first time to replace this type of connector. Is there a different Packard 56 connector that is used with each wire gauge or will a Packard 56 connector work with any size wire?
 
There’s size ranges on them in example 14-16 gauge same terminal and 10-12 gauge same terminal 18-20 gauge same terminal
 
Suggest looking up Packard at Waytek Wire and I believe Pico calls them "Quick Connect" but yes, there is a size limitation to the connectors from 18-10 or 12 guage I think. Some or most, accept more than one size wire.
 
I believe Packard 58 terminals are more correct as a replacement for the Mopar ones on the firewall bulkhead.


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There is Packard 56 and Packard 58. I just bought a 10 pack of Pico, #138-BP, I believe they are "56"?? 18-14 gauge. Heres pics comparing the factory ones(from heater resistor) to the Pico. Pretty damn close, BUT I had to "snip/clip" the corners ever so slightly. Look close, you can see the small tabs on the corners. New one on left, middle and one on right are factory.
I was surprised how many of these connectors are in our 67 cuda dash harness. One at wiper switch, 3 at defrost switch, 2 at heater resistor.
Hope that helps.
10 Pc. 18-14 AWG GM 56 Series Female Terminal 138-BP

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I'm beginning to wonder if manufacturers call these by the right names.......the ones Steve showed in the photo above ARE WRONG for some connectors in some cars. My 67 uses the ones with the sides "curled" rather than the type above with the top edge folded over. About all you can do is search for them, a photo search might help. Part of the problem is "things change" I have bought some from a place called "clips and fasteners" either they didn't have what I wanted or were way over priced

Another thread

Sources for Chrysler type wire terminals
 
67Dart273 said:
I'm beginning to wonder if manufacturers call these by the right names.......the ones Steve showed in the photo above ARE WRONG for some connectors in some cars. My 67 uses the ones with the sides "curled" rather than the type above with the top edge folded over. About all you can do is search for them, a photo search might help. Part of the problem is "things change" I have bought some from a place called "clips and fasteners" either they didn't have what I wanted or were way over priced

Another thread

Sources for Chrysler type wire terminals
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Vixen has the curled ones too, If I remember right. I'll look tomorrow and confirm that.
 
I could show about 6 or 8 wires with the same Packard style connector. They are NOT WRONG. Chk wiper switch(white wire), heater resistor(green and brown wires) rear defrost(all 3 wires)
We werent talking curled ends, but i guess we are now. 134-BP is correct Pico # for 16-14 gauge, 10 pack with curled ends.There are hundreds of these throughout harness and car.

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Agree. Chrysler used something very close to Packard's 58 Series for most of the females.
But also used some 56 Series females.

Got this from a link on the Mouser website.
Female 58 Series
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To the original question.
Yes there are different sizes.
For example, the drawing above the wire size for the variaous part numbers on the left is shown on the far right. Unfortunately its in metric rather than wire gage.
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Conversion to wire gage for some those that are still being manufactured in this post.

if you're working with the 56 Series, same thing and many retailers will list the wires size its made for. Some terminals may be for the same wire size but are offered with longer or shorter 'wings' for thicker and thinner insulation.
 
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I tried looking for "58" and couldnt find any thru Pico. At this point for me "56" will work.
Mattax said:
Agree. Chrysler used something very close to Packard's 58 Series for most of the females.
But also used some 56 Series females.

Got this from a link on the Mouser website.
Female 58 Series
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To the original question.
Yes there are different sizes.
For example, the drawing above the wire size for the variaous part numbers on the left is shown on the far right. Unfortunately its in metric rather than wire gage.
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Conversion to wire gage for some those that are still being manufactured in this post.

if you're working with the 56 Series, same thing and many retailers will list the wires size its made for. Some terminals may be for the same wire size but are offered with longer or shorter 'wings' for thicker and thinner insulation.
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4spdragtop said:
I tried looking for "58" and couldnt find any thru Pico. At this point for me "56" will work.
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These
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are 58 series females.
That part number is listed on the 58 series drawing.
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Pico could be selling a copy, but more likely its genuine Delphi/Aptiv/Packard terminals repackaged for retail.
The ones I bought have a PED stamped in the tail, for Packard Electric Division.
 
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4spdragtop said:
I could show about 6 or 8 wires with the same Packard style connector. They are NOT WRONG. Chk wiper switch(white wire), heater resistor(green and brown wires) rear defrost(all 3 wires)
We werent talking curled ends, but i guess we are now. 134-BP is correct Pico # for 16-14 gauge, 10 pack with curled ends.There are hundreds of these throughout harness and car.

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What I'm sayin Steve, is that some connectors use curled, others not. They are not generally interchangeable. You have to be careful to get the right ones. The ones in my bulkhead connector were all "curled"
 
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something.
I agree with bulkhead connectors having curled sides.(pico #134-bp). The op mentioned "dash harness and Packard". So I immediately thought of Packard 56.
The Pico 138-BP(Packard56??) are a 99% match to my factory ones.
The Pico 134-BP are a 100% match to my factory ones.
These pics are from what I believe are Packard 56. You can see like Mattax mentioned they have PED stamped into them. You can also see the tiny tabs that I had to snip to get them to fit into the female connectors.

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Thanks to everyone for all the information on this type of connector. Who would have thought there is so much to learn about a simple connector/terminal. Will visit the sites mentioned and am sure that I will find what I need. Will be back if more help is needed.
 
If something is stamped PED it just means it was originally made by Packard and we can probably look it up.
https://www.mouser.com/c/?q=2962447

4spdragtop said:
These pics are from what I believe are Packard 56.
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The top one might be. Sure looks like an unfinished or incorrectly stamped piece. Maybe its a different flavor
See the drawing for that part under "data sheet" https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/105/delphi_11292017_02962874_cus01_s01-tif-1267700.pdf
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The bottom two are not stamped PED. Perhaps a very similar connector made by a different company.

More 56 females at Mouser
https://www.mouser.com/c/connectors... positions=-&product=Terminals&series=56&pg=3
and a alightly different drawing
https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/105/delphi_11292017_02962874_cus01_s01-tif-1267700.pdf
 
If something is stamped PED it just means it was originally made by Packard and we can probably look it up.
https://www.mouser.com/c/?q=2962447

4spdragtop said:
These pics are from what I believe are Packard 56.
Click to expand...
The top one might be. Sure looks like an unfinished or incorrectly stamped piece. Maybe its a different flavor
See the drawing for that part under "data sheet" https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/105/delphi_11292017_02962874_cus01_s01-tif-1267700.pdf
20220117_134555-jpg.jpg

The bottom two are not stamped PED. Perhaps a very similar connector made by a different company.

More 56 females at Mouser
https://www.mouser.com/c/connectors... positions=-&product=Terminals&series=56&pg=3
 
Anyone have a picture of a packard 56 male connector that is used? The ones I have found either have a tab at the end on the barrel or no tab. Which one was used, or does it matter?
 
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