Yet AGAIN more W2 360 talk

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I think my ****** hurts. I run race fuel in everthing i own, but theres a reason the best in the business run methanol in everthing from 10.5 cars to 5 sec cars. In the 1/4 they are much smarter than i and it works well so it must work fine. The thing y'all clearly forget in life is JUST BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT FOR YOU AND YOUR APPLICATION, DOESN'T MEAN ITS RIGHT FOR EVERYONE AND THEIR APPLICATION. ****. Build the truck how you want fully send it and fix the weak links as you find them.
 
Josh owen said:
I think my ****** hurts. I run race fuel in everthing i own, but theres a reason the best in the business run methanol in everthing from 10.5 cars to 5 sec cars. In the 1/4 they are much smarter than i and it works well so it must work fine. The thing y'all clearly forget in life is JUST BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT FOR YOU AND YOUR APPLICATION, DOESN'T MEAN ITS RIGHT FOR EVERYONE AND THEIR APPLICATION. ****. Build the truck how you want fully send it and fix the weak links as you find them.
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And how many of the above cars are NA? Well ****? Let’s hear it. Jesus, what a bunch of butt hurt sissies. Run what want, just don’t try and bullshit me that alcohol is God’s gift to ICE fuels because it ain’t.
 
Rat Bastid said:
And how many of the above cars are NA? Well ****? Let’s hear it. Jesus, what a bunch of butt hurt sissies. Run what want, just don’t try and bullshit me that alcohol is God’s gift to ICE fuels because it ain’t.
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Learn how to read ✌
 
Rat Bastid said:
Ok smart guy. You win. You are THE forum expert on alcohol. Doesn’t make you right, because you ain’t.

I did point out what was GOOD about alcohol, but you evidently didn’t read that part. I’ll say it again for you to get through your thick head.

If, and it’s a big IF you have an issue cooling your engine, alcohol will help. It’s not the right way to cool it, but it is what it is.

Alcohol has a very, VERY wide tuning widow. You can be far past rich best torque and not lose ANY power. Therefore, weather changes has LESS affect on the tuneup at any given time.

So...all that means is I can fix my cooling system (don't need my fuel to cool my engine) and I can follow the weather and dial my car accordingly. So again, I don’t need alcohol.

If someone has an aversion to using a proper cooling system, and if someone has trouble tuning for the conditions then by all means, alcohol is your friend.

I can say I’ve taken at least a dozen circle track cars off alcohol and not one has gone back. And they have won many races and a couple of track championships. I won’t bother explaining to you what burning 2.5 times the fuel during a race does to chassis tuning, because YOU are THE alcohol expert.
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next thing you will say is methanol only works with 14:1 and higher compression. Go ahead and say it cause it must be true. I know you want to.

and by the way, even when I was running C12, I never had a cooling issue.
 
Rat Bastid said:
I read the first line perfectly. Summed up your entire post.
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Clearly not, i have never run methanol but you obviously skipped that part, i run 110/112 VP in everything i own. All i said was very successful people run methanol so it must work. I also never said a word about running NA or with power adder, someone can't handle being not having the only right answer i see
 
Josh owen said:
Clearly not, i have never run methanol but you obviously skipped that part, i run 110/112 VP in everything i own. All i said was very successful people run methanol so it must work. I also never said a word about running NA or with power adder, someone can't handle being not having the only right answer i see
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I agree. Rat Bastid reads between the lines. He still thinks I have a cooling issue since I said methanol runs cooler. Never once did I say I had an issue. But when you can’t read properly, problems will follow.
 
To the guys running race fuel my buddy said Sunoco 112 is going up 80.00 a barrel so far for his next pick-up load. Get it now if you can.
 
Monitor, shut this mess down!! This kind of crap is one of the reasons there are so few users of this site now. Recall how many there used to be??
 
You think constructive conversations and disagreements are bad? Thought that was how you narrowed things down in the real world of what worked for you and what didnt work for things in your life. No need to get so offended everyone thats what has us where we at currently in 2022.........sorry not sorry truth hurts
 
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What mess? It’s 2-3 people saying what they believe is the right way. Nothing more then that.
I didn’t know we were writing hallmark cards on this forum.
 
gagembassett said:
I am currently tossing around the thought of using the stock stroke 3.58 inch 12:1 domed pistons and putting them on a 3.79 inch stroke crank to do a HUGE bump in compression.... talking like north of 14:1 maybe even 15:1 compression.
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Using a 3.58" stroke piston on a 3.79 stroke crank will move the piston up 0.10" in the bore when using the same rod on each crank. Approximate piston compression heights for each piston for these strokes is below for off the shelf pistons.

Stock 360 3.58 stroke 1.670"
Aftermarket 3.79 stroke 1.570"

Once you have your block checked at a shop for where the deck height can end up you will be able to make your decision as you will know where the piston will end up in the bore and how close the dome will come to the W2 head model you intend to run.

As mentioned earlier if you have the funds and have the information from the shop on where your deck height can end up being, you could source a custom piston for your rod and crank combination as well as speck the dome and ring pack to best suite the heads and type of use you will be subjecting the truck to. Aftermarket pistons will also be a good bit lighter and be result in less stress on the engine and rev up a little faster.

Looking forward to hearing what you end up doing.
 
Rocket said:
Using a 3.58" stroke piston on a 3.79 stroke crank will move the piston up 0.10" in the bore when using the same rod on each crank. Approximate piston compression heights for each piston for these strokes is below for off the shelf pistons.

Stock 360 3.58 stroke 1.670"
Aftermarket 3.79 stroke 1.570"

Once you have your block checked at a shop for where the deck height can end up you will be able to make your decision as you will know where the piston will end up in the bore and how close the dome will come to the W2 head model you intend to run.

As mentioned earlier if you have the funds and have the information from the shop on where your deck height can end up being, you could source a custom piston for your rod and crank combination as well as speck the dome and ring pack to best suite the heads and type of use you will be subjecting the truck to. Aftermarket pistons will also be a good bit lighter and be result in less stress on the engine and rev up a little faster.

Looking forward to hearing what you end up doing.
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Now that is high quality information and I appreciate you taking the time yo explain it all and share it. Thank you sir.
 
79410aspenrt said:
I agree. Rat Bastid reads between the lines. He still thinks I have a cooling issue since I said methanol runs cooler. Never once did I say I had an issue. But when you can’t read properly, problems will follow.
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Actually YOU mentioned the cooling issues. Not me. And, if you go back and read, I agreed with you. It will cool the engine. It’s not the way I do it, but it’s done that way.

In essence, we agreed on every point except making power. You can make the same power on racing gasoline and you can on alcohol, and usually do it with less total timing. But you can’t just cobble a cooling system together and expect to make power with emissions level coolant temperatures. And you have a much, MUCH tighter tune up window. Some guys can’t tune that close, or don’t want to do it. So alcohol makes the tuning easier. And run to run variations CAN be tighter on alcohol than on gas, but again that’s a tune up issue.
 
pittsburghracer said:
To the guys running race fuel my buddy said Sunoco 112 is going up 80.00 a barrel so far for his next pick-up load. Get it now if you can.
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My brother works for one of the largest chemical companies in the country (I think they are top 5 in the world but I’d have to ask that for sure) and he said the cost of everything they have is going up. That includes methanol. When I was running methanol I bought all of it through them and it was cheaper.

So it’s going up. Methanol has many uses most people don’t know about. So when industry is getting price increases you can bet the hobby side will get it too.
 
pittsburghracer said:
To the guys running race fuel my buddy said Sunoco 112 is going up 80.00 a barrel so far for his next pick-up load. Get it now if you can.
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from what I have seen around here, it’s going up more than that.
Pump I buy 110 is 3 dollars more a gallon . That would be around 150 a barrel, or more.
 
gagembassett said:
So many of you have followed my posts on a 600 horsepower W2 headed 360 block I am in the process of speccing out to build. The engine will be going in the pictured 1983 Dodge D150 longbed that weighs 3,700 pounds and will be backed by a Liberty proshifted A833 4 speed transmission along with a properly built 8 3/4 rearend with unknown gears at the moment (I'm assuming 4.56, 4.89 or maybe even 5.13 gears) and my original plan, and still may be, was to keep the stock stroke of 3.58 inches along with 12:1 TRW forged domed pistons and rev it up to 7,000 rpm with a properly designed and ground solid roller cam from Racer Brown. Now for the twist in my thoughts from the original idea...... I am currently tossing around the thought of using the stock stroke 3.58 inch 12:1 domed pistons and putting them on a 3.79 inch stroke crank to do a HUGE bump in compression.... talking like north of 14:1 maybe even 15:1 compression. Now I'm tossing this idea around for 3 reasons. Slightly longer stroke to help produce torque faster for the 3,700 pounds it's gotta shove off the starting line, to help with that compression all along with allowing it to still rev to 7,000 with the mild length stroke addition and because with a .030 overbore it bumps it up to 386 CI which displacement always is a plus. I was in talks with one of my very very knowledgeable friends that has an old crank from the 80s that was welded and offset ground to 3.700 inch stroke to bring low compression factory pistons up to zero deck and we both talked for a while on this, he was interested in my idea which got me EVEN more intrigued to do it because if that intrigues him them I've made a break through LOL. Now I want your thoughts. Give me any and all of your feedback. Time for us big boys to talk the talk

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Just sold my 1986 D-150 with 408 stroker w 727 Auto and 8ft bed ... 470HP and 535TQ ... and it did weigh 3650Lbs with roll pans in lieu of heavy bumpers and with factory A/C PW PL etc. That torque crazy motor pulled that truck like it was 3200 Lbs with a 3.55 gear. Question being with all of your torque would you need anywhere near that much gear? I'd maybe try a 3.91 or 3.55??? Sort of like going with too much convertor for a torquey engine ... doesn't require as much.
 
JR Mopar said:
Just sold my 1986 D-150 with 408 stroker w 727 Auto and 8ft bed ... 470HP and 535TQ ... and it did weigh 3650Lbs with roll pans in lieu of heavy bumpers and with factory A/C PW PL etc. That torque crazy motor pulled that truck like it was 3200 Lbs with a 3.55 gear. Question being with all of your torque would you need anywhere near that much gear? I'd maybe try a 3.91 or 3.55??? Sort of like going with too much convertor for a torquey engine ... doesn't require as much.
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Gear ratio is based on tire size and RPM. Torque has nothing to do with it. Neither does horsepower.
 
A few of the very fast cars I am familiar with (big hp turbo stuff) have gone to methanol for the simple fact of weight savings. They can ditch the intercooler, ice tank, heat exchanger, lines, pumps, ect and it saves a bunch of weight from the car.
 
On a typical Saturday night 18 out of 20 dirt late models at the track I' m at run moonshine.

We were just quoted $1.80 per gallon for this season...race gas has got to be nearing $10/ gallon right now.

We will use about 15 gallons per night...practice, 10 lap heats and a 20 lap feature on a paperclip 1/2 mile.

We adjust the chassis for fuel burn off...
 
So after some thought on it, the 8 3/4 is out in favor of a Dana 60. I'm trying to figure out if making a 5x4.5 bolt pattern full floater Dana 60 is even possible. And the W2 heads are out in favor of a W9 set up now as well. Changes and more changes :lol:
 
gagembassett said:
So after some thought on it, the 8 3/4 is out in favor of a Dana 60. I'm trying to figure out if making a 5x4.5 bolt pattern full floater Dana 60 is even possible. And the W2 heads are out in favor of a W9 set up now as well. Changes and more changes :lol:
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Wow you stepped up bigtime
 
Well people talking about the 4 speed and weight made me reevaluate the rear end. I don't have anything against running a Dana 60 so might as well and play it safe. As for the W9s I figured those are the cream of the crop for W series heads so having those with the small chamber and a flat top piston vs. an open chamber w2 with domed pistons would help me get both the 12.5:1 or 13:1 I want and would greatly reduce piston weight which meant better for the 7,000 rpm. :thumbsup:
 
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