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    moparmandan FABO Gold Member FABO Gold Member

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    Had a blast! Thanks for your tips, too. Tech was ummmmm, lets say, quick.
    Wondering how much time I could have cut by launching hard, revving it 5k + and holding second gear through the traps, cause 2.76 gears. Letting it shift to 3rd really killed it. Next time hopefully I can play more.
     
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      ^^^You'd cut your times down a lot doing the things you listed ^^^
       
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        will work on it tomorrow.
         
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          That look better?
           
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          :thumbsup: Mderoy in first place 3 tenths behind his dial. moparmandan will knock his down a lot his next time out :)
           
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          It was good to meet you also Dan. I'm sure your car will run better next time out and hopefully less people will be their so you can get a few runs in.
           
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          • GreyWizard

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            73 Dodge Dart Swinger
            15.9 (TDC)
            - .5 3.55 Gear
            +1.2 5814' (Bandimere Speedway)
            - .6 360 LA
            - .4 4bbl
            - .4 Headers
            - .8 Aluminum Heads (Speedmaster)
            - .4 Cam Upgrade
            - .4 2200 Converter
            - .2 Manual Valve Body
            13.4 Index

            I hope I do not get close as I race in a class that is 14.00 and slower. :)
             
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              Beat that 13.4 !! You can always slow the car to 14.00 for your class :)
               
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                On a mineshaft condition day at Bandimere (7713' DA) the car ran a 14.61 with iron heads. I think I am safe.
                 
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                  Kidswillrun on the scale
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                  • weight 3760 - plus .5
                  • gear 2.71 - TDC
                  • Tires 31" for now - plus .2
                  • Truck - plus .3
                  • 727 - plus .3
                  • Motor dead stock 318 2bbl - TDC
                  • Truck needs to run 17.2 in current state.
                   
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                  • aaronk785

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                    Just put on my sm heads. Now I have to run 11.8 instead of 12.00. Hope I picked up at least .2
                     
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                    The overbore penalty is killing me or I would be close. Do you really think a .030 overbore is worth 30 to 40 hp? More like 10 max.
                     
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                    I'd say if somebody bores the TDC (318 2bbl) out .030, they probably put in better compression pistons. So if the TDC engine went from, per say, 8.3 to 1 up to a true 10 to 1 compression, plus picked up 5 cubic inches, then yes, the 4 tenths you deduct is about right. I'd expect if you did that to a 318 2bbl, then add a 4bbl, you'd run 15.1 - 8 tenths down from the 15.9
                     
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                    Looks like a 340 is not a good fit for this race. Your being penalized for already having compression. When I bored my 340 .030 and added stock replacement 2316s I gained nothing in the 1/4 maybe a couple of hundredths at the most. OK. I'm done bitching. We'll see how close I can get.
                     
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                    Hmmm. Looks like a stock bore 11.5 al headed 340 would be a winner.
                     
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                    I think the penalties are just to keep most on a semi-even playing field so everyone can compete. I mean, I could have a .474 lift cam in my Duster, but instead I have a .427 lift cam and get the same penalty. I ran this race 2 years ago with 2.45 gears, but could have had 2.94's with no penalty. But, the top cars have always been within a tenth or two either way, some exceeding and some almost running the number. Last year I was 2nd and exceeded my number by the same as 1st place, but the tie went to the faster car
                     
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                    It's all good. You cant make a set of rules that fits everyone's build. It will be a lot of fun. Just felt a little whiney today.
                     
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                      The faster a car runs the harder it becomes to overcome a penalty. I agree with you on the overbore, 5 cu in does not overcome the penalty especially when you are talking pump gas motor. I look at this as a real world guide for other members to see what certain street car combos really run.
                       
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                        Agree, sharing combos and seeing what others are running in street form is a great tool. Ironically, one of the fastest cars in the race has won it the last 2 years.
                         
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                        • Stephen Hotz

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                          • GreyWizard

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                            As much as I think 14.3 is a good index for the Dart, 13.4 is what I calculated from the worksheet.
                             
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                            Fixed.
                             
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                            Well, if in the future (maybe next year) yall decide to let the other pump gas compete (e85), I would love to "play"....then again, my car is substantially faster than my index of 10.9...so....yeah.
                             
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                            • moparmandan

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                              Going to the track tomorrow for more tnt. Hopefully get a good baseline and get close to my index. Then swap a part and see what it does. What would ya'll swap first, headers or 3.73 gears?
                               
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                                gears! 2.76 to 3.73 will wake your car up. See you tomorrow.
                                 
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