2025 16th Annual FABO NASCAR "Pick 'Em" Game - Are You Ready?
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Gotta agree with MeMikieJr...
Michigan Pole pick - #19 Chase Briscoe
Michigan Pole pick - #19 Chase Briscoe
cuda20
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Blaney and Bell for Michigan
Congratulations to both 'MeMikieJr' (FABO) and 'ocdart' (FABO) for correctly picking #19 Chase Briscoe to be the quickest around Michigan and get the Pole for the third week in a row. Each picked up -1 bonus point.
Yunick13
3 Time FABO NASCAR champ 2023 FABO NHRA champ
I'm feeling pressure from behind as the leader drives off. In need of a caution for some fresh tires.
44070dart
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so I think I'll switch to Chevy.. 24 and 5 for the win.. 
Yunick13
3 Time FABO NASCAR champ 2023 FABO NHRA champ
Rolling up with Byron, and Hamlin, unless he leaves for baby, then replace with Larson.
12 and 24 tomorrow. Congratulations on picking the pole winner at this track @MeMikieJr and @ocdart
24 and 5
Yunick13
3 Time FABO NASCAR champ 2023 FABO NHRA champ
Congrats
Yunick13
3 Time FABO NASCAR champ 2023 FABO NHRA champ
88 pole for Mexico
Corrected (06/10/25)
Congratulations to 'Riverdawg' (FBBO), 'Unconventional' (FABO) and 'Yunick13' (FABO) for correctly picking race winner #11 Denny Hamlin to win the FireKeepers Casino 400 at Michigan International Speedway. Each picked up -5 bonus points.
Nobody picked the race runner-up, #17 Chris Buescher, so no runner-up bonus points awarded this week.
'Riverdawg' (FBBO) had the low net score honor for the week with 2.0 points.
#17 Chris Buescher was the race leader at the end of Stage 1, #24 William Byron was in 2nd place.
#24 William Byron was the race leader at the end of Stage 2, #2 Austin Cindric was in 2nd place.
Here are the corrected game standings following the 2025 NASCAR FireKeepers Casino 400 at Michigan International Speedway:
cuda20 (FABO) 45.5 P48 12 20 32 16 69.5
Yunick13 (FABO) 87.5 LP20 L11 L24 (S1-1)(S2-2) 1 -5 28 94.0
MeMikieJr (FABO) 92.0 P19 -1 543 45 3 19 13 102.0 99.0
alsant (FABO) 91.5 LP20 L24 (S1-1)(S2-2) L5 28 5 105.0
fishmens67 (FABO) 126.0 LP5 L24 (S1-1)(S2-2) L5 28 5 139.5
ocdart (FABO) 140.0 P19 -1 L20 L24 (S1-1)(S2-2) 16 28 158.0
Sublime one (FABO) 152.0 LP22 L22 L5 22 5 165.5
memike (FABO) 143.5 P45 12 24 (S1-1)(S2-2) 32 28 170.5
Back in Time (FABO) 177.5 LP20 20 45 16 13 192.0
Unconventional (FABO) 201.5 P11 11 20 1 -5 16 205.0
44070dart (FABO) 193.5 P22 24 (S1-1)(S2-2) 5 28 5 207.0
Riverdawg (FBBO) 206.5 LP3 L11 L45 1 -5 13 208.5
As a reminder here's a quick explanation of what the above numbers represent:
(your score before the race) race pick car # (Stage bonus points) (race pick car #) (Stage bonus points) (race pick finish position) (race pick finish position) (race winner/runner-up bonus points) (your score after the race)
Please let me know if I show either your Pole or Race picks incorrectly or if you have any questions.
Please post your picks for the next race and let me know if you want to "lock" them in for future weeks. I will put an "L" before either your Pole pick or your race picks to show they've been "locked".
As always, you can always make different picks each week. Your "locked" picks will always be there should you forget to post your race picks, your computer malfunctions or the site should go down temporarily.
Don't forget to get your picks for the Viva Mexico 250 at Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez in Mexico City, Mexico, posted before the green flag drops at approximately 3:15 PM EDT (12:15 PM PDT) on Sunday, June 15.
Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez is at altitude 7,343' which will have an effect on the cars, crews and drivers.
(06/12/25) Updated Cup practice sessions and Cup qualifying schedule:
There are two practice sessions scheduled before Cup qualifying,1:05 PM EDT (10:05 AM PDT) and 3:00 PM (Noon PDT) 4:05 PM EDT (1:05 PM PDT) and 5:30 PM EDT (2:30 PM PDT) on Friday, June 13. Your Pole Pick for the Viva Mexico 250 will need to be posted before qualifying starts at Noon EDT (9:00 AM PDT) 2:05 PM EDT (11:05AM PDT) on Saturday, June 14.
Congratulations to 'Riverdawg' (FBBO), 'Unconventional' (FABO) and 'Yunick13' (FABO) for correctly picking race winner #11 Denny Hamlin to win the FireKeepers Casino 400 at Michigan International Speedway. Each picked up -5 bonus points.
Nobody picked the race runner-up, #17 Chris Buescher, so no runner-up bonus points awarded this week.
'Riverdawg' (FBBO) had the low net score honor for the week with 2.0 points.
#17 Chris Buescher was the race leader at the end of Stage 1, #24 William Byron was in 2nd place.
#24 William Byron was the race leader at the end of Stage 2, #2 Austin Cindric was in 2nd place.
Here are the corrected game standings following the 2025 NASCAR FireKeepers Casino 400 at Michigan International Speedway:
cuda20 (FABO) 45.5 P48 12 20 32 16 69.5
Yunick13 (FABO) 87.5 LP20 L11 L24 (S1-1)(S2-2) 1 -5 28 94.0
MeMikieJr (FABO) 92.0 P19 -1 54
alsant (FABO) 91.5 LP20 L24 (S1-1)(S2-2) L5 28 5 105.0
fishmens67 (FABO) 126.0 LP5 L24 (S1-1)(S2-2) L5 28 5 139.5
ocdart (FABO) 140.0 P19 -1 L20 L24 (S1-1)(S2-2) 16 28 158.0
Sublime one (FABO) 152.0 LP22 L22 L5 22 5 165.5
memike (FABO) 143.5 P45 12 24 (S1-1)(S2-2) 32 28 170.5
Back in Time (FABO) 177.5 LP20 20 45 16 13 192.0
Unconventional (FABO) 201.5 P11 11 20 1 -5 16 205.0
44070dart (FABO) 193.5 P22 24 (S1-1)(S2-2) 5 28 5 207.0
Riverdawg (FBBO) 206.5 LP3 L11 L45 1 -5 13 208.5
As a reminder here's a quick explanation of what the above numbers represent:
(your score before the race) race pick car # (Stage bonus points) (race pick car #) (Stage bonus points) (race pick finish position) (race pick finish position) (race winner/runner-up bonus points) (your score after the race)
Please let me know if I show either your Pole or Race picks incorrectly or if you have any questions.
Please post your picks for the next race and let me know if you want to "lock" them in for future weeks. I will put an "L" before either your Pole pick or your race picks to show they've been "locked".
As always, you can always make different picks each week. Your "locked" picks will always be there should you forget to post your race picks, your computer malfunctions or the site should go down temporarily.
Don't forget to get your picks for the Viva Mexico 250 at Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez in Mexico City, Mexico, posted before the green flag drops at approximately 3:15 PM EDT (12:15 PM PDT) on Sunday, June 15.
Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez is at altitude 7,343' which will have an effect on the cars, crews and drivers.
(06/12/25) Updated Cup practice sessions and Cup qualifying schedule:
There are two practice sessions scheduled before Cup qualifying,
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@ocdart I made a change from picks you scored me with. I’ll start making a new post instead of updating. If that helps
Unconventional
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44070dart
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Headed for the dungeon of doom at the bottom.. 20 laps to go, my guys are 2nd and 3rd, and then 
My error...I should have caught your update on post #503.
Current standings post #513 has been corrected and points are correct heading to the Mexico City race.
Same here, leading till last lap and ran out of gas ..Headed for the dungeon of doom at the bottom.. 20 laps to go, my guys are 2nd and 3rd, and then
Interesting reads from bvmsports.com and msn.com ...
(From bvmsports.com):
NASCAR teams are gearing up for their inaugural points race in Mexico City, facing a complex logistics challenge. The journey requires a 38-hour travel time for haulers, commencing from the recent Michigan race. Key preparations include transporting specialized race cars, complying with customs regulations, and ensuring no prohibited items cross the border. After finishing in Michigan, teams loaded their vehicles and embarked on a journey that includes a crucial four-hour border crossing in Laredo, Texas, before heading to the race at Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez.
By the Numbers
While the logistics are intricate, there are no major complaints from the teams, suggesting a well-orchestrated plan despite the challenges involved.
State of Play
(from msn.com)
Drivers and teams will have more than each other to contend with when the NASCAR Xfinity and Cup Series race this weekend at Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez in Mexico City.
They’ll also have to contend with the elevation. The road course is about 7,500 feet above sea level — the next highest track in NASCAR is Las Vegas at about 2,000 feet elevation.
The higher elevation means thinner air. Air plays a key role in horsepower and cooling and those will be significant issues for teams.
Doug Yates, president and CEO of Roush Yates Engines, estimates that the thinner air could reduce horsepower as much as 20% for the 670-horsepower Cup engines.
Danny Lawrence, long time engine builder for Richard Childress Racing and its director of the Xfinity Series and vice president of alliance operations, said maximizing horsepower is challenging at such a high altitude.
“You’ve got to fool the engine to make it think that the conditions are better,” he told NBC Sports.
Daniel Suarez said the horsepower reduction will be minimal for drivers.
“I don’t think you have to drive different, but the cars are going to have more mechanical grip especially on the exit of the corners because you have less power,” he said. “We’re going to lose like 80 to 100 horsepower. That’s a lot. … But at the same time, in the high-speed corners, we’re going to lose a lot of downforce. We’re going to lose a little bit of everything.”
Racing at such elevation is new for the Cup Series. The Xfinity Series raced in Mexico City from 2005-08. The series averaged nearly seven engine failures per weekend (practice and the race) the first three years. The final year racing at Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez saw no engine failures during the weekend.
“I would say we’re more concerned about the cooling and the components and the other things we have to ensure are properly set up,” Yates told NBC Sports.
NASCAR will allow each manufacturer to have two sets of hood louvers to run during practice Saturday to see which best cools the engine. Each manufacturer will select which hood louver it will use and all of its teams must use the one selected on its cars.
“The problem we have with the engine is the caution laps,” Trent Owens, crew chief for AJ Allmendinger, told NBC Sports. “It gets so hot under the caution laps, more so than the green laps.”
Under green flag conditions, the cars are at higher speeds and can get more air to cool. The slower speeds under caution means less air gets to the engine to cool it. As engines start to overheat, several problems can ensue.
“What happens with the engine management software is it goes into protection (mode) if you don’t get it cool enough before the restart,” Owens said. “So you’re trying to prevent that. It doesn’t shut the engine off, but it starts feeding it fuel and changing the timing and stuff like that where you lose horsepower.
“So, just having that stuff right is probably our concern that we normally don’t have to worry about at any (other) event.”
With NASCAR’s rule that engines must run two races, most of the engines that will run in Sunday’s Cup race will be that engine’s second race.
Yates said a lot of the Ford engines for the 2.42-mile road course in Mexico were run earlier this year at Martinsville, a half-mile short track.
Yates says the two courses share some similarities so that running one engine at both tracks makes sense.
“We shift at Martinsville every straightaway, every lap,” Yates said. “So the power curve actually shifted up quite a bit from years ago. As the engine group, we have the opportunity to change the intake manifold and the exhaust system today, so we can tune around the base engine and have power lower RPM range or higher RPM range with those two tuning tools.”
(From bvmsports.com):
NASCAR teams are gearing up for their inaugural points race in Mexico City, facing a complex logistics challenge. The journey requires a 38-hour travel time for haulers, commencing from the recent Michigan race. Key preparations include transporting specialized race cars, complying with customs regulations, and ensuring no prohibited items cross the border. After finishing in Michigan, teams loaded their vehicles and embarked on a journey that includes a crucial four-hour border crossing in Laredo, Texas, before heading to the race at Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez.
By the Numbers
- 38 hours: total travel time for haulers to reach Mexico City.
- 2.429 miles: length of the race track at Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez.
- 14 hours: drive time after crossing the U.S.-Mexico border.
While the logistics are intricate, there are no major complaints from the teams, suggesting a well-orchestrated plan despite the challenges involved.
State of Play
- All haulers are scheduled to cross the border together on Tuesday morning.
- Teams are ensuring compliance with customs regulations by removing consumables not authorized for international transport.
(from msn.com)
Drivers and teams will have more than each other to contend with when the NASCAR Xfinity and Cup Series race this weekend at Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez in Mexico City.
They’ll also have to contend with the elevation. The road course is about 7,500 feet above sea level — the next highest track in NASCAR is Las Vegas at about 2,000 feet elevation.
The higher elevation means thinner air. Air plays a key role in horsepower and cooling and those will be significant issues for teams.
Doug Yates, president and CEO of Roush Yates Engines, estimates that the thinner air could reduce horsepower as much as 20% for the 670-horsepower Cup engines.
Danny Lawrence, long time engine builder for Richard Childress Racing and its director of the Xfinity Series and vice president of alliance operations, said maximizing horsepower is challenging at such a high altitude.
“You’ve got to fool the engine to make it think that the conditions are better,” he told NBC Sports.
Daniel Suarez said the horsepower reduction will be minimal for drivers.
“I don’t think you have to drive different, but the cars are going to have more mechanical grip especially on the exit of the corners because you have less power,” he said. “We’re going to lose like 80 to 100 horsepower. That’s a lot. … But at the same time, in the high-speed corners, we’re going to lose a lot of downforce. We’re going to lose a little bit of everything.”
Racing at such elevation is new for the Cup Series. The Xfinity Series raced in Mexico City from 2005-08. The series averaged nearly seven engine failures per weekend (practice and the race) the first three years. The final year racing at Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez saw no engine failures during the weekend.
“I would say we’re more concerned about the cooling and the components and the other things we have to ensure are properly set up,” Yates told NBC Sports.
NASCAR will allow each manufacturer to have two sets of hood louvers to run during practice Saturday to see which best cools the engine. Each manufacturer will select which hood louver it will use and all of its teams must use the one selected on its cars.
“The problem we have with the engine is the caution laps,” Trent Owens, crew chief for AJ Allmendinger, told NBC Sports. “It gets so hot under the caution laps, more so than the green laps.”
Under green flag conditions, the cars are at higher speeds and can get more air to cool. The slower speeds under caution means less air gets to the engine to cool it. As engines start to overheat, several problems can ensue.
“What happens with the engine management software is it goes into protection (mode) if you don’t get it cool enough before the restart,” Owens said. “So you’re trying to prevent that. It doesn’t shut the engine off, but it starts feeding it fuel and changing the timing and stuff like that where you lose horsepower.
“So, just having that stuff right is probably our concern that we normally don’t have to worry about at any (other) event.”
With NASCAR’s rule that engines must run two races, most of the engines that will run in Sunday’s Cup race will be that engine’s second race.
Yates said a lot of the Ford engines for the 2.42-mile road course in Mexico were run earlier this year at Martinsville, a half-mile short track.
Yates says the two courses share some similarities so that running one engine at both tracks makes sense.
“We shift at Martinsville every straightaway, every lap,” Yates said. “So the power curve actually shifted up quite a bit from years ago. As the engine group, we have the opportunity to change the intake manifold and the exhaust system today, so we can tune around the base engine and have power lower RPM range or higher RPM range with those two tuning tools.”
(from Danielle Trotta on X)
"Denny Hamlin just joined us On Track and said if Jordan doesn’t deliver their baby boy by the time he has to leave for Mexico City he’s not going. Said his priority is her and the delivery of their 3rd child. Drivers will leave Thursday so interesting to follow “baby watch” and what Dennys weekend may look like
@SiriusXMNASCAR"
"Denny Hamlin just joined us On Track and said if Jordan doesn’t deliver their baby boy by the time he has to leave for Mexico City he’s not going. Said his priority is her and the delivery of their 3rd child. Drivers will leave Thursday so interesting to follow “baby watch” and what Dennys weekend may look like
@SiriusXMNASCAR"
Yunick13
3 Time FABO NASCAR champ 2023 FABO NHRA champ
Our scores from a year ago: I'm off my mark a little bit
FYI, current weather forecast for Mexico City shows rain throughout the race.
Wet-weather tire rules will be in effect since Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez is a road course.
Wet-weather tire rules will be in effect since Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez is a road course.
Back in Time
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enee, meeny, miny ,moe.
Pole .....Byron
Race.... Byron. Van gisberger
Pole .....Byron
Race.... Byron. Van gisberger
See updated post #513 for updated NASCAR Cup practice and qualifying schedule for the race at Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez.
NASCAR issued the reschedule.
NASCAR issued the reschedule.
Yunick13
3 Time FABO NASCAR champ 2023 FABO NHRA champ
I have a feeling there's no pole bonus, at least for me this week..
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