2026 Race Engine Challenge

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Icetech said:
Carlo Final numbers 606.9HP at 6300 556lbft 4900rpm for a 3500-7000 AVG 501.2
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Thankyou....So the missing 80ft.lbs was peak torque I would imagine? So 556+ 80 = 636lbs!? I actually heard him say 81 lbs so 637ft/lbs from 410 cubes? So 1.55 lbs/ci? Yeah wow that engine is astounding. J.Rob
 
RAMM said:
Thankyou....So the missing 80ft.lbs was peak torque I would imagine? So 556+ 80 = 636lbs!? I actually heard him say 81 lbs so 637ft/lbs from 410 cubes? So 1.55 lbs/ci? Yeah wow that engine is astounding. J.Rob
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yeah.. i feel bad he came down that far and thrashed and had issues.. but that motor is wicked.. i would love to see what was done to the heads just out of curiosity
 
Well the controversy continues, salter told swcheen he could run heads that were prohibited in the rules, it seems to me the rules dont matter. The ford had a illegal oil pan, Carlos engine has a illegal intake with separate external water lines.
 
RAMM said:
Sounds like you wee there...Were you with a team or as a spectator? J.Rob
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no.. i was watching the stream for like 12 hours yesterday.. in the background mostly... they talked bout him and the work he put in to just get there
 
NC Engine Builder said:
Well the controversy continues, salter told swcheen he could run heads that were prohibited in the rules, it seems to me the rules dont matter. The ford had a illegal oil pan, Carlos engine has a illegal intake with separate external water lines.
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was illegal on the intake? height i assume? that thing was massive..
 
NC Engine Builder said:
Well the controversy continues, salter told swcheen he could run heads that were prohibited in the rules, it seems to me the rules dont matter. The ford had a illegal oil pan, Carlos engine has a illegal intake with separate external water lines.
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Like I said----Shenanigans....always. In all my years of EMC a total of 8 and fielded 2 engines for 2 years which equals 12 entries.....Always witnessed more than a couple of blatant illegal entries...and......no one was tossed. I could tell you a great story of when they attempted to toss me in 2014 for my W9 cylinder heads...lol that was fun. J.Rob
 

RAMM said:
Like I said----Shenanigans....always. In all my years of EMC a total of 8 and fielded 2 engines for 2 years which equals 12 entries.....Always witnessed more than a couple of blatant illegal entries...and......no one was tossed. I could tell you a great story of when they attempted to toss me in 2014 for my W9 cylinder heads...lol that was fun. J.Rob
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W9s seem almost magical.. i run into brett miller dyno videos now and then with w9s and those motors sound insane and make crazy power
 
NC Engine Builder said:
What sucks the most, is greg and cory appeared to be legal, and I am 100% confident that we had those 2 covered by plenty.
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Corey was and is always legal, I saw him once get busted because he had the normal Milodon 7qt pan on his smallblock one time but there was a width rule about not being wider than some dimension (don't remember) and he took the pan off and beat the **** out of it with a hammer to "make it about .100"" narrower. It wasnt usually the tech guys--it was usually some other competitor complaining out of fear that triggered a protest. In my case it was a fellow competitor that was frightened by the sight of my W9 heads that got the head tech to try and get me ejected. I never ever built anything that wasn't 100% by the rules because 1. I'm Canadian. 2. I didn't want to do all that work/spend $$$/drive down/take the week off etc.....Just to get tossed.

At first they came at me with. Show me where you can buy those W9's and do they have a casting #? Why yes sir--Here's the Jeg's link and the casting # is right on them. Oh ok you're good to go.....Cool. An hour later..Nope not good to go, Those heads require custom pistons!!! Uh huh....I pointed all across the room and I said show me an engine here that doesn't have custom pistons--LOL. uh,uh,uh,uh,......I'll be back after I collude with the other techs and see what we can get you on.......Comes back after awhile and says...Those heads don't have any accesory holes on them to mount an alternator to!!!! I roll my eyes and ask where is that stated in the rules.......Umm fine you can run but if you high score we're gonna have problems...LOL I said no the small block will be down about 100pts from my big block...and it was exactly 96 pts shy of my 440. And then there was the time I represented Randys 451 with intake gaskets that were .270" thick and the rules stated no thicker than .250"......Me and my buddy Joe fixed those real quick on a belt sander. Bottom line is they just loved to **** with those they figured they could **** with....and they gave Randy and guys like Corey and even myself a hard time if they could. J.Rob
 
Icetech said:
W9s seem almost magical.. i run into brett miller dyno videos now and then with w9s and those motors sound insane and make crazy power
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I'm not too impressed with the W9's at all..The smallest port is too big IMO.chamber is too deep , throats are not the right shape although the exhaust is incredible though 240+ cfm through a 1.6" I just think...363cfm should make way more than 665hp. The W9 is a BIG compression, BIG cam, BIG intake/carb, BIG RPM, BIG header, BIG stall kinda cylinder head. Not good for this kind of competition. J.Rob
 
RAMM said:
I'm not too impressed with the W9's at all..The smallest port is too big IMO.chamber is too deep , throats are not the right shape although the exhaust is incredible though 240+ cfm through a 1.6" I just think...363cfm should make way more than 665hp. The W9 is a BIG compression, BIG cam, BIG intake/carb, BIG RPM, BIG header, BIG stall kinda cylinder head. Not good for this kind of competition. J.Rob
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If you were doing this with a 410 cube limit what head would you start with?
 
As far as Mopar entries go, 2 of the 3 are in the coulda/woulda/shoulda camp. Corey laid down a very, very impressive run without some of the most desirable equipment. He put together a bunch of parts that work well together. Congrats to him. As people say on here all the time, it’s about the right combination and tuning.
 
Earlie A said:
As far as Mopar entries go, 2 of the 3 are in the coulda/woulda/shoulda camp. Corey laid down a very, very impressive run without some of the most desirable equipment. He put together a bunch of parts that work well together. Congrats to him. As people say on here all the time, it’s about the right combination and tuning.
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What heads did Corey use? Were they Indy? J.Rob
 
I'd ask Indy if they would send me some bare castings and then I would locate my guides and seats where I wanted but that would depend on what block and bore size. I had planned on taking my 340 block to 4.100" bore and utilize a 3.875" stroke for a 409.3 cube. By the time I spoke with Greg he had all of the slots filled for SBM. I almost asked him if a 400BBM could be entered...I thought that would be very interesting....Super easy and inexpensive to get the cubes and better head options. J.Rob
 
Icetech said:
I just looked at indys site... it says 3600.. but not if that's a pair or per head..
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I haven’t looked lately, but that price sounds like a pair but unported. I think the entire top end, ported would run 8-10k. That’s part of what made the parts I already had look good.
 
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