6.1 Hemi into 72 Demon March 2018

Discussion in 'New Hemi Engine Swaps' started by Sublime one, Mar 30, 2018.

  1. Fred Scigliano

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    the cherry picker is a
    Yea Sublime one I just put a new frame on a 2016 duramax pick up took some time to figure out how to hook on to it.
     
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    0219181436.jpg home made lift but did good
     
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      So I have developed my system for tracking the million and one plugs and wires and connections on the Gen 3. The first picture is my basic outline for the different components numerically. Second picture is the detail 11-01 etc then a tag that I attach to the device. There is so many I have no chance of remembering them. While this method may seem a bit pedestrian it does work for me. Phrased another way I am but a simple farmer!i started with the exhaust to validate my system as the exhaust was by far the simplest. Turns out there is no service Manuel to be had old style, you buy a CD and it is on that. I did not want a CD I wanted a real book. Suks being old! I am climbing all over the pallet to familiarize myself before really diving in. I think slow and steady with research is prudent here. Long gone are the days of running a hot wire to the starter and yelling hit it for a test bump.

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      Take the valve covers off and pull two head bolts and put your chain through the bolts then teather a stamp to the tail shaft
       
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      You rock Rapidtransit! Thanks for the hint.
       
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      Glad I could help
       
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      To much shit to deal with the pick up I sent pictures of when we got it all back together found that the steering column was bad and the clock spring for the air bag was shot and the steering wheel position-er sensor was bad. and the only way to bleed the brakes was with a computer and the truck bled it's own breaks.
      I think soon if you drive over the speed limit your car will give you a speeding ticket. And check your blood alcohol level.
      I still have my old car and the only thing it tells me is need more gas
       
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      This weekend however I am back in full stride. As you can see from the pictures I have been focusing on releasing the Hemi from the spaghetti wire harness. I have basically got all the connections bagged and tagged. I had to buy a fuel rail connector tool to unconnect the fuel line stuff. Amazon says it will deliver on Monday. All these new fangled connectors are a pain in the butt. And yes before I get flamed into oblivion I fully realize they are faster cheaper and more effective. In like manner so is a B1 bomber but i still think a B29 Is way cooler! Enjoy the pictures and I will see what tomorrow brings.
       
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        So finally got the gen 3 up in the air, now I will build a carriage for it so I can roll it around safely, then drop Demon down over it. If you look close I fabricated a spreader bar to pick up the motor with. It is constructed of 2 by 2 by 1/4 wall sq tubing. I put a couple slide stops in the center just in case it slid on the tubing, I spaced them out just past the oil pan. The pickup points are just outside the headers so I can swap headers while it is in the air. I ordered a set of TTIs (ouch). Hav a great week to all

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          I fully realize the spreader bar is total over kill but I am a crane operator! It is in my DNA
           
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          Good job Sublime one, your wiring looks like the spaghetti I made for dinner a few nights ago. I can't imagine trying to sort that out. And your garage looks great I like wall hangers.
           
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          Ok so as you can see in the pix I now have the wiring harness broken down into 4 basic sub assemblies. I decided to try and eliminate the portions that had no bearing on making engine run and the parts that simply were not applicable. I selected the anti lock brake module. As I started eliminating wires one by one it dawned on me I may be in over my head with the whole wiring thing. Mother MopR has ganged the QD plugs and it is crazy! I am just not that good with electrical. I am at best adequate. So .... as the drinks got stronger and the Zepplin got louder I thought to myself WTF? Buy a aftermarket harness and be done. Then reality set in I have spent entire cash stash on K frame etc. and have zero dollars in reserve so I have to make this work. I fear only my combat brethren will understand the place I went to. Pain pills from knee replacement surgery, a touch of bourbon ( ok maybe a bit more than that!) Colt as always on work platform, and my fearless german Shepard piled into my lap keeping me warm and sane. thinking F### it this is pointless. I will reingage come next weekend. Long gone are days you can just wire up a motor. The guys in this website that have went before me and slogged thru all these issues give me the determination to keep pushing forward. I will win in the end and this thing will run! Did I mention 2nd Marines rock ? We are the tip of the spear! I included a pix of our flag just cause! And yes I can hear all you Navy boys muttering even now but suffice to say I simply would not even have the breathe of life without a Navy Corpsman. Just saying! Clearly the bourbon talking. My wife is not home or she would have already taken all electrical devices away from me hah! Thanks to all of you for putting up with my rambling and I totally beg forgiveness for the duplicate pix posting but I simply could not figure out how I did it or how to remove them!

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            The advantage you have at going through the wiring is that you bought the complete turn key pallet. As you have done figure out what is going to what then see what you think may not be needed. Unplug it if at all possible and see if it keeps it from running. Bodens post where he listed out the circuits that were needed may be helpful. It will be a bit different from you application as he was using an older version but you may be able to adapt it.
             
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            i understand you. I'm working for an US crane factory but located i am in Germany :D
             
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            So I decided to take a break from the electrical and make some actual forward progress! I focused on removing the rest of the interior so that I could cut out the tunnel and fire wall. Setting your car on fire is kind of a drag!
            As you can see by the pix the floor is actually in pretty good shape. I am sure there is a more graceful way to create space for the new Hemi and tranny but I figured create enough space put it all in place then build the tunnel and firewall back around the obstruction. I also started sorting out the pedal configuration. Shipment came in from Magnum Force so I payed out the sub connectors. I chose their new version which is quite frankly quite a bit more complex than any of my previous efforts on sub frame connectors. They appear to fit reasonably well and clearly well thought out vs my old style ones. As a result I cannot help but think they will be more effective.

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            To Our German friend Buschi thanks for the support. My wife lived in Germany for many years. I love the beer cheese and bread! And her of course! Hah! My German is sketchy at best! But after a few beers the language barrier always disappears!
            Prost
             
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            I omitted one other item of note. I purchased a relocation kit from American Power so that stick is on tunnel vs extended as it is in the modern Challenger. It fit great and is a nice unit.

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            Unbelieveable, the pile of wiring was as big as the engine !! Someone would have to do way better than that for me to go that route. GOOD LUCK W/ UR INSTALL.
             
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            looking good The best part will be welding the new tunnel in and I know you got that part down good.
             
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            to me putting anew tunnel in would be childs play compared to all the s--t it takes to make one run.
             
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            I agree lots of work and I am not good enough to do this kind of project, but willing to to give the guys that do a hand shake and tell them job well done.
             
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            thats how it works with my english whenever I am in PA in our factory.. but beer is in deed a funny Little helper. tearing down barriers ( which doesn't exist in the end ) ...... :) Prost!
             
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            So I decided to head to the shop this afternoon as playoff hockey is kind of in a window of no games. And yes my family lives breathes and dies hockey! I have captained a team for a great many years and still play. I have ran my own drop in for longer than I can remember and if you don't know what a drop in is I am not going to explain!
            You have not lived until you have had a couple of Junior boys hockey players at your table! They will eat you out of house and home! And yes Winnipeg is the nearest big city, go Jets! Preds are going down! And as always this year heartfelt prayers to Humbolt.
            So back to A body stuff, I started prepping for my Shock tower strut supports. And before I get flamed into oblivion yet again I fully understand there are two passionate camps with regard for the need of strut supports. I am going with no torsion bars and a tubular K frame. I feel regardless of need they cannot hurt and very well may be invaluable. A literal no lose situation, I am simply out some labor and material. I love to weld so why not!
            You can see the pictures of the firewall landing pad for the tube and I included some pictures of my cardboard template for the frame landing portion. Cardboard is invaluable for mocking up metal components. I also took a picture of my new TTI headers. While they are pricey nothing on earth makes you feel 15 again like a new set of headers. It is like Christmas I don't care how old you are it throws you back to being a teenager building your first hot rod!
            My best friend and I made a deal with our dads to purchase a old ford cougar from the junk yard for 75 bucks when we were 14 years old provided we promised not to drive it until we got it running and we're licensed. Yep we wrapped it around a pole long before we were 16! If you are reading this you all have similiar stories as we are all gear heads! Unwrapping new headers is like candy!

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              So in the one picture you can see at some point this car had a big block as they cut out the inner fenderwells. I will have to fabricate them back. My question to some of you who have went before me in this crazy adventure is welding in a base over the shock support. Please refer to the picture that has the soap stone arrows. I am looking for feedback here, do I weld the support base right to the shock tower or do I weld it to the sheet metal of the inner fender? In my opinion thus far I weld to the sheet metal as the tube is already welded to the cowling piece on the fire wall and the other end is to the frame. So in theory I weld to the sheet metal to make it a bit more rigid as it helps support the whole front end if you will? Just thinking out loud boys.