65 Headliner: prep!

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Going to give the headliner install on the 65 Barracuda a go! We'll do it in the next few weeks.

Things that didn't go well so far: (at least the kids got them out! coulda been worse)

1) bows NOT marked for position when removed
2) rear tension springs (last bow to back) tossed as trash

Things that are going well:

1) bows clean and ready to install NEED THE COLOR AND POSITIONS - (again).. #-o
2) starting to remove front and rear glass to fix channels AND ease install.
3) inside roof prep started. cleaning and rust proofing. insulation next.

Needed items - info needed

1) rear bow tension springs or measurements so I can make some! anyone have spares?
2) confirmation on bow position by colors. (had a post....lost it! anyone?)
3) tack strip on the front and back; what about the sides????? glue only????
4) How to????? PICTS???? Detail around the sail panels????
5) How to on front and rear window installs........

From Dukes69 (Randy)

So you can put one in without taking the windows out, however it is a pain because of the little teeth that grab the headliner front and back. It is really easy to do though.
additionally you need to have the a pillar trim and all the upper door frame seals completely out as well...

1) lay it out in the sun to warm it and smooth out the wrinkles/folds. Also find the cent front and back and mark with a chalk mark (tailors chalk is best, usually from a fabric store, Michaels, Hobby Lobby...whatever you have
1a) You may have to use a heat gun for stubborn wrinkles....

2) I always put the screws in there holes to be able to locate them through the headline once it is in. It is way easier to feel a screw than to try and feel the hole the screw goes into!

3) This is a good time to make sure your insulation/sound deadener is good to go!

4) lay out the bows and just cut through the sheath that the bows go through (keep bows in correct order!!!)

5) Place in car (usually from back to front) hook the tension spring/hook then work your way the other direction and hook over the "teeth" in the window channel. You will work forward and smooth and pull (lightly) ensuring it is aligner left and right

6) Double-check your side to side alignment and eveness

7) ensure the "slack" is pulled out front and back. This may be a slow process, be careful and just take your time, it is a really really good idea to have a heat gun handy to smooth out stubborn corners, and compound curves.

6) Once you have all of that done you are ready for the sides. I use the trim adhesive that comes in a tube and the small lime green spring clamps that you can get from Home Depot. Good quality clothes pins work okay to.

7) You will need to start in the center of the door frame between those two bows and pull the material (helps to do both sides with a helper to ensure it is pulled evenly) then glue and clamp as you go. Move to the next area between the bows (both sides again) and continue this until you have it glues and clamped....

You will also have to make sure that the material is spray glued to the sail panels...if yours are bad/broken you will have to make some out of heavy upholstery board (cardboard..)

let me know if this helps. I may be able to get some picks since I am getting ready to do another 66 Cuda soon...
 
Almost ready to where I could put the new headliner my 65 Dart, but will wait for early summer sun to un-wrinkle it. Many other projects. I also didn't mark the bows, but somebody here recently listed the color order (I filed away at home), so search. I recall hearing something drop (bow clip?) as I removed them, but in extensively painting the interior cavities (windows out) I didn't find it.
 
The kids didn't see anything but bows when they removed it. But then again, they didnt see the tension springs they lost. anyone have a good pict and dimension of the rear tension springs????? maybe I can fab some.

I looked on ebay, but no luck finding them.
 
Almost ready to where I could put the new headliner my 65 Dart, but will wait for early summer sun to un-wrinkle it. Many other projects. I also didn't mark the bows, but somebody here recently listed the color order (I filed away at home), so search. I recall hearing something drop (bow clip?) as I removed them, but in extensively painting the interior cavities (windows out) I didn't find it.

Bill - I did mine in the winter. Once hung in place, I placed a 500 watt halogen light pointing upward, and closed the windows for a while to warm things up. Got it nice n toasty and was easy to stretch out the wrinkles. Worked for me.
 
is this a dart or cuda your working on? I have two extra clips for rear bow if a dart
 
is this a dart or cuda your working on? I have two extra clips for rear bow if a dart

sorry... fixed. barracuda. I'm looking for the tension springs. I don't know if it took clips on the bows or not. The kids didn't see any when the pulled them out. but they weren't looking either.
 
I think "tension springs" would be the little hooks that connect to the last bow on the fwd and aft ends to connect to the frame. At least, I recall such. It is all filed away in a bin now. You could probably buy thin spring wire and bend your own, based on photos. Many probably rusted away up north.

I won't jump thru hoops to get my head-liner in this winter. The summer sun here is intense and free. The way things are going, it may not even happen this summer but next. Priorities are fixing the house, daily drivers, then classic cars when time allows (rarely).

At home now, so I pulled up the info I filed away. Hope it helps. Don't ask me to interpret, since I haven't compared to my parts yet:


68 Roadrunner, Satellite, GTX

FRONT
Brown 46.25"
Green 46.75"
Blue 46.75"
Red 48.00"
Black 53.00"
Black 55.50"
REAR

Measurements are tip-to-tip not following the curve.

From: Restorations by Rick Kreuziger

On early a-bodies is
Front to back...
Brown
Green
Blue
Yellow
Violet

Black –on other b-bodys

1965 2DRHT
Belvedere. The lengths are front to back: #1= 49 3/4" w/ pink paint
on end #2= 50 3/4" w/ pink paint on end #3= 51
3/4" w/ blue paint on end #4= 52 1/4" w/ pink paint on
end #5= 54 3/4" w/ pink paint on end and 90 degree

From ly64post Jeff

The bows won't work from a sedan to a hdtp.5 are needed on the hdtp and also they have more bow in them

From:moparsteve636
 
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