A question about etiquette ...What to expect for a day of helping people?

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Sorry to hear that Geoff. You are one of the most giving people I know. Its a shame what a few bad apples can do.
 
I have been known to forgive too easily. That will not happen this time,
I never liked this guy. His personality has annoyed me since the first time I met him. I was nice to him at the meetings out of respect to elders. Again he is 76 but gets around quite well. He plays the act of the "old guy" that can't do what he used to, can't remember what he needs to, etc...BUT he seems to be pretty sharp in regards to getting people to help him.
Many months ago, last Summer maybe I helped him rebuild his front suspension. It was a 2 day deal including the down time when the control arms were getting the bushings pressed in. He bought lunch at a Burger King. I told him that I would help...Yeah, HELP him do the work. He kept saying how he wasn't strong enough, not skilled enough. I had my tools there because he had no 1/2" drive tools, no pickle forks either. He acted like the control arms weighed a ton, brake rotors too. I've seen him carry things. He is not weak in the body like he pretends.
He has alienated other members of the club because he asks advice, gets it, then questions it because someone he read online saw it differently.
He is a selfish person. His kids don't speak to him. He has no actual friends. Now, he will have to sucker someone else to finish his car...A '68 Charger that he took apart almost 10 years ago.
 
Kern is going to have to go about this the only way that makes him happy. He can be cordial when he sees the dude, and politely decline any aid, and of course screen his calls if he sees the number. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. The time given is gone, learn from it and move on.
 
Your post reminded me of something.
A couple years ago, I had a young man walk into the shop. He looked at me kinda strange, then finally asked if I worked with a Santa program. I told him that I have for the past 25 years. He then told me he was one of the kids that was involved with the program.
I rarely learn about some of these kids background, but this "kid" told me that was the best Christmas he had ever had in his life to that point.
His dad was out of the picture, mom had a drug problem and he was passed from family member to family member. But that one day in his life, he said people were truly nice to him and acted like they cared. He told me that he especially remembered that I went out of my way to talk to him. I was the 1st adult male that wasn't mean to him. I have no idea what I did, or said, I doubt it was anything I wouldn't do for anyone else. But, it was enough to make a lasting impression on that young man.
I'm not to proud to admit, when he left, I went into the office and sobbed like a baby. Kinda tearing now just thinking about that day.
I've been frustrated lately, one of my sponsors, Payless Shoes, went out of business. I've been worrying about where I'm going to find 25 pairs of shoes at Christmas. It'll work out, I'll figure something out. I always do. That visit by that young man reminded me why I bother.
Not everybody gets a fair chance, and if there's something, even meaningless on your part, that you can do, just do it.
Your a good person gunbunny thanks for sharing.
 
Nope.

But when I offer to help, I either give the help freely...or state my terms for the help I give.

I expect others to do the same when I ask for their help.

I generally give people who help me more than they ask...but that’s a choice. I never expect the same when I offer free help or state my terms.

Feeling “used” means you didn’t get what you expected and up front agreement of terms eliminates that. Like I said, either give the help freely or agree on the terms in advance.

But live with what you get and don’t complain...because you decided which it should be.
Good point Ddaddy I can agree with that.
 
Damn, I hate to see this arguing on here. That's the biggest reason I got off Facebook a year and a half ago.. dumb internet arguments, that in person, over a cup of coffee or a beer, would be a 10 minute conversation. I'm willing to bet @Kern Dog and @Ddaddy were working on a mopar together, this would be a 10 min conversation with a difference of opinion, and that would be the end of it with no ill will. So much is lost with written sentences compared to in person communication.
 

The guy with the charger isn't willing to buy kern dog lunch but I tell you what. I would buy mr. Kern a burger and fries..... and he wouldn't even have to work on my car.

Point is, don't waste time on people who don't appreciate you when there are tons of other people out there willing to be your buddy just because you are YOU. I learned that because my best friends are mostly unlikely friends. I am actually friends with a few older gentleman and it's a pure and innocent friendship that means the world. I don't even care what people assume it is or isn't. Me, my friends and Jesus know what it is and what it isn't.

Drop the zeros and get with the heroes
 
The guy with the charger isn't willing to buy kern dog lunch but I tell you what. I would buy mr. Kern a burger and fries..... and he wouldn't even have to work on my car.

Point is, don't waste time on people who don't appreciate you when there are tons of other people out there willing to be your buddy just because you are YOU. I learned that because my best friends are mostly unlikely friends. I am actually friends with a few older gentleman and it's a pure and innocent friendship that means the world. I don't even care what people assume it is or isn't. Me, my friends and Jesus know what it is and what it isn't.

Drop the zeros and get with the heroes
I'm 53, is that old enough to be a friend to you? :)

Joking aside, the 'old' guys on here, (most) don't need to pretend to be something they aren't. And that's probably true in 'real life' too.
Tried and True friends are hard to come by. I have maybe 3 that I can depend on come hell or high water. The rest are, yeah you're fun to have a beer with, but if I NEED someone I'm not calling you.

I love that you hang out here, and are making your own path. :)
 
Well is that solved? We all know what etiquette is and I believe that most of us here have that value.
Kern Dog I think your a great guy and I know Ddaddy is from doing business with him he always gives me more than I paid for.
 
Would you guys like some pizza and a ice cold coke. I have some left over from my last job. lol
 
You're all good in my book, Kern Dog! I agree, I would have expected to be treated like a decent human. keep the cold waters and sodas comin, buy some sammiches or somethin!
 
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Well since were on the subject of helping others could someone stop over and tell me if I got my fender straight enough for primer. My hands go numb after a short time and my eye sight sucks. Beer and my famous canned chili is waiting for ya.
 
View attachment 1715384440 Well since were on the subject of helping others could someone stop over and tell me if I got my fender straight enough for primer. My hands go numb after a short time and my eye sight sucks. Beer and my famous canned chili is waiting for ya.
"Beer and my famous canned chili is waiting for ya." is enough for me to stop in, and tell you, after much scrutiny, that my eyesight is worse than yours. :)
 
"Beer and my famous canned chili is waiting for ya." is enough for me to stop in, and tell you, after much scrutiny, that my eyesight is worse than yours. :)
Always welcome here RSie. Your carb is ready to ship just gotta take it to UPS just have had lots of company lately.
 
Always welcome here RSie. Your carb is ready to ship just gotta take it to UPS just have had lots of company lately.
I have a couple carbs here that need a rebuild, and while the last time I did that was 30 years ago on a one-barrel Volkswagon Beetle carb, I think I can do it.. so no rush.. or you can sell it for what it's worth and get a few bucks back out of it, not a problem to me :)
 
The guy has texted me twice recently.
He is having trouble....We had installed the headers with the bolts threaded in just enough to hold the header and gasket in place. He had no Anti-Seize so I told him on Thursday to take the bolts out one at a time and coat them, then put them back in one at a time.
I think that if I respond to him, I am likely to hit him with both barrels about how he pissed me and the other guys off with his lack of hospitality.
I have learned from my Wife that sometimes it is best to keep quiet until the emotions have calmed down. This is totally against my own nature where I feel driven to hash out the problems right away.
I have car friends as well as friends that are not into cars at all. One great friend is a FORD guy. Back in 2002, we made a deal : I would frame his home addition and garage and he would do the rust repair and paint my car. Since then, my body and paint skills have greatly improved but his framing skills have not...I still help him with his various projects and he pays in cash. I sometimes decline the money, other times he insists.
Another buddy has done plumbing and electrical stuff here so I framed his house for free. Trade. Barter. Equal treatment for a respected friend. Both of these guys are friends aside from any project we would work on. THAT is a key difference for me: I like and respect them, they are not One-Way "friends" that take and never give.
 
The guy has texted me twice recently.
He is having trouble....We had installed the headers with the bolts threaded in just enough to hold the header and gasket in place. He had no Anti-Seize so I told him on Thursday to take the bolts out one at a time and coat them, then put them back in one at a time.
I think that if I respond to him, I am likely to hit him with both barrels about how he pissed me and the other guys off with his lack of hospitality.
I have learned from my Wife that sometimes it is best to keep quiet until the emotions have calmed down. This is totally against my own nature where I feel driven to hash out the problems right away.
I have car friends as well as friends that are not into cars at all. One great friend is a FORD guy. Back in 2002, we made a deal : I would frame his home addition and garage and he would do the rust repair and paint my car. Since then, my body and paint skills have greatly improved but his framing skills have not...I still help him with his various projects and he pays in cash. I sometimes decline the money, other times he insists.
Another buddy has done plumbing and electrical stuff here so I framed his house for free. Trade. Barter. Equal treatment for a respected friend. Both of these guys are friends aside from any project we would work on. THAT is a key difference for me: I like and respect them, they are not One-Way "friends" that take and never give.
Don't answer. Let it go. It's ******* you up now enough to post all this. Let it go man, forget it, move on.
 
I have a couple carbs here that need a rebuild, and while the last time I did that was 30 years ago on a one-barrel Volkswagon Beetle carb, I think I can do it.. so no rush.. or you can sell it for what it's worth and get a few bucks back out of it, not a problem to me :)
No I gave it to you and gonna send it to you and hope no rebuilding is needed. You can keep it or sell it I don't care it's yours.
 
View attachment 1715384440 Well since were on the subject of helping others could someone stop over and tell me if I got my fender straight enough for primer. My hands go numb after a short time and my eye sight sucks. Beer and my famous canned chili is waiting for ya.
I have found that the sense of feel can catch a flaw as fast as good eyesight. Maybe rub it down once the feeling comes back?
 
No I gave it to you and gonna send it to you and hope no rebuilding is needed. You can keep it or sell it I don't care it's yours.
I'm gonna have to make the trip someday, and tell you face to face what an asshole you are :)
 
I have found that the sense of feel can catch a flaw as fast as good eyesight. Maybe rub it down once the feeling comes back?
I worked in a production shop all my life and hard to slow down but your right will try again tomorrow I am in no hurry.
 
LOL would gladly put up with you as long as you bring the beer.:poke:
Sounds like a plan. I'll bring beer, but it'll be just plain old Keystone light or Bud Light... ya want that 'specialty beer", that ain't happenin. No, I'm not paying $6 bucks a bottle for your damn pumpkin spice nut crunch ale brew.
 
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