AFR Heads

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If your building enough power to require off-set rockers and especially raised ports your basically not talking stock blocks anymore, why not add canted or hemi heads to the list.

AFR name brand competition gonna be Edlebrock, SM and TF and TF seems to be making the most ootb hp between those.
 
273 said:
If your building enough power to require off-set rockers and especially raised ports your basically not talking stock blocks anymore, why not add canted or hemi heads to the list.

AFR name brand competition gonna be Edlebrock, SM and TF and TF seems to be making the most ootb hp between those.
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Because the hemi sucks NA and who is making the block with the lifter bank angles to do it.
 
B3422w5 said:
To be honest, the Bloomer head has been proven to make enough power to render the need kinda moot for a new offset rocker head. We already have the INDY head which is a better W2 head in aluminum already.
And anybody who is going to want something stouter than 700 horse potential of the Bloomer, and somewhat more with the rectangular port Indy is probably looking at the Victor head and or the W8/9 platform.
And in the LA world, with the continued more popular use of the Gen3 stuff, your teaching to a really small class.
I would say already, old school LA guys maybe 5 to 8% are guys looking to make much more than 600 horse N/A.
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I’m pretty Bloomer would tell you head won’t run with an offset rocker head.

You make a lot of assumptions that don’t pan out.

Just like guys who argue push rod pinch doesn’t matter can’t show me a PERFORMANCE cylinder head that doesn’t deal with the pinch.

Show me a cylinder head that has a huge expansion right after the pushrod pinch that makes power.

It matters. Chrysler knew that before 1970 with the T/A head, but for some reason Chrysler guys are in continuous retrograde.

It’s ******* sad really.
 
B3422w5 said:
We already have the INDY head which is a better W2 head in aluminum already.
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Now if we could get them to cast a aluminum small block.
The old Indy aluminum 572 only weighed 475# from carb to pan, put out over 900 Hp over 20 years ago.
 
The AFR head is just another edelbrock copy pretty much. And any of these heads have basically the same power potential, when ported.
 
These AFR's are at best like a 500 hp head ?
Why is the convo being steered towards 700-1,000+ hp heads ?
 
NC Engine Builder said:
The AFR head is just another edelbrock copy pretty much. And any of these heads have basically the same power potential, when ported.
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Exactly.

What’s CrAzY is there are guys who think the next in line rocker head will be the magic bullet that makes the obsolete **** worth something.
 
273 said:
These AFR's are at best like a 500 hp head ?
Why is the convo being steered towards 700-1,000+ hp heads ?
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Because there is ONE in line rocker head that might make that.

How many 500 hp head choices do you need?

This is why Chrysler guys are sucking hind tit.

The Chevy guys always want more power but we are stuck with a large percentage of end users who think 500-550 hp is all they want so the rest of us get to eat ****.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.

If you want to go racing and make power you build a big block Chevy.

Anything else is a waste of time and effort and money.

I went to the local track on the 26th to help a friend. I’ve known him since 2003 and used to build his engines. In fact, the first single 4 572 that he had that went over 1k power on gas was with my heads and intake.

The shop that built the engine before that couldn’t
scratch 950. I know for a fact they copied what I did because they called and asked.

IIRC it went 1035 at 6800. They used a 20w50 oil. It ran to 7500 in the car.

A good 5w30 would have been 20 more. The extra 700 rpm was probably another 30-40.

And guess what? He went the Predator route. I told him to skip it and do a BBC but he spent probably close to 10 years on that ****.

He finally got sick of waiting on parts and paying 65% more for them.

He sold that junk and went BBC and hasn’t looked back.

Chrysler has **** on racers for so long now it’s stupid. And we kept taking it.

Between Chrysler and its garbage management (piss on Lee Iacocca) and slap happy racers who never want to go faster we get what we get and we are who we are.

You want to go racing? Get a big block Chevy and do it.

Or continue to try and turn chicken **** into chicken salad.

And BTW and FWIW the way Chrysler treated some of its racers publicly is a shame on them that will never go away.

When the dust settled, Chrysler and their shitty, petty management derelict idiots we’re made fools by the people they crapped on hardest.

Served them right.
 
Here's the Edelbrock and TF port molds. Big differences.

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Newbomb Turk said:
I’m pretty Bloomer would tell you head won’t run with an offset rocker head.

You make a lot of assumptions that don’t pan out.

Just like guys who argue push rod pinch doesn’t matter can’t show me a PERFORMANCE cylinder head that doesn’t deal with the pinch.

Show me a cylinder head that has a huge expansion right after the pushrod pinch that makes power.

It matters. Chrysler knew that before 1970 with the T/A head, but for some reason Chrysler guys are in continuous retrograde.

It’s ******* sad really.
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The one guy I know who is on here who has actually rung out the Bloomer head is the guy with the AMX.
I don’t think his car would be any faster with a well done W2 head.
Do you? If as fast
And BTW, I ran W5 heads for a long, long time. In fact the first set Ryan ever ported were mine.
I don’t make very many assumptions that don’t pan out. I am old enough to have actually been down the track with most of these heads, so I know what they can and can’t do.
 
Newbomb Turk said:
You didn’t make it to Renegade on the 26th did you??

If so, we missed you. I was actually there with @MOPARMAGA.

And Gus the chocolate lab.

FREE GUS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No. I'm putting the motor togeher right now. Working on a set of SM heads for it. Should be done in a month I hope. Hoping to crack the 9s. We'll see how my ching chong ding dong ported heads work. Should go mid 280s on the SF1020 bench I use, which is mid to upper 290s on most others.
367ci 13.6 comp
Howards 266/272 109+2 .666/.681 SFT
Gas ported rings 1/16 1/16 3/16
1.875 X 3.5 Hedman
Reworked M1 single plane with 2" 4500 to 4150 HVH adapter and a 1050 gen 3 Ultra Dominator
Eagle steel crank REM super finished
I J scraper and 8 qrt Moroso pan

Ran a 10.27 last year in vey good air. Car should be a little over a 100 lbs lighter and make 30 or so more HP this time.
 
B3422w5 said:
The one guy I know who is on here who has actually rung out the Bloomer head is the guy with the AMX.
I don’t think his car would be any faster with a well done W2 head.
Do you? If as fast
And BTW, I ran W5 heads for a long, long time. In fact the first set Ryan ever ported were mine.
I don’t make very many assumptions that don’t pan out. I am old enough to have actually been down the track with most of these heads, so I know what they can and can’t do.
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Don’t know until I get my hands on a set of Bloomers.

But out the effort into the W2’s that went into the Bloomers and see what you get.

Evidently your caught up in thinking that I haven’t done this ****. I have.

How many heads and intakes have YOU ported that went 2 hp/cid on anything?

How many big block Chevy heads and intakes have you ported that go over 1125 NA? On one four barrel.

I’m not some slap dick Chrysler guy who’s been diddling around with Edelbrock ****.

It’s easy to make claims when someone else is doing the work.

And this has nothing to do with the Bloomers and their cylinder heads. They aren’t on here claiming all kinds of **** that I already know they don’t.

Grab a grinder and make some chips. Show us what you can do.
 
skrews said:
No. I'm putting the motor togeher right now. Working on a set of SM heads for it. Should be done in a month I hope. Hoping to crack the 9s. We'll see how my ching chong ding dong ported heads work. Should go mid 280s on the SF1020 bench I use, which is mid to upper 290s on most others.
367ci 13.6 comp
Howards 266/272 109+2 .666/.681 SFT
Gas ported rings 1/16 1/16 3/16
1.875 X 3.5 Hedman
Reworked M1 single plane with 2" 4500 to 4150 HVH adapter and a 1050 gen 3 Ultra Dominator
Eagle steel crank REM super finished
I J scraper and 8 qrt Moroso pan

Ran a 10.27 last year in vey good air. Car should be a little over a 100 lbs lighter and make 30 or so more HP this time.
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Nice!!

Let me know next time you head my way. I’ll head down there.
 
Newbomb Turk said:
Don’t know until I get my hands on a set of Bloomers.

But out the effort into the W2’s that went into the Bloomers and see what you get.

Evidently your caught up in thinking that I haven’t done this ****. I have.

How many heads and intakes have YOU ported that went 2 hp/cid on anything?

How many big block Chevy heads and intakes have you ported that go over 1125 NA? On one four barrel.

I’m not some slap dick Chrysler guy who’s been diddling around with Edelbrock ****.

It’s easy to make claims when someone else is doing the work.

And this has nothing to do with the Bloomers and their cylinder heads. They aren’t on here claiming all kinds of **** that I already know they don’t.

Grab a grinder and make some chips. Show us what you can do.
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Grabbing a grinder doesn’t interest me in the least.
You didn’t answer my question. Do you think well done W2 heads would be faster than the Bloomer heads have proven to be?
I thought this was about offset heads versus standard heads. Of course the bigger hole is going to win most of the time, but the W2 was only around 185 as cast and around 200 fully ported. It wasn’t a “ big” head
 
Newbomb Turk said:
Because there is ONE in line rocker head that might make that.

How many 500 hp head choices do you need?

This is why Chrysler guys are sucking hind tit.

The Chevy guys always want more power but we are stuck with a large percentage of end users who think 500-550 hp is all they want so the rest of us get to eat ****.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.

If you want to go racing and make power you build a big block Chevy.

Anything else is a waste of time and effort and money.

I went to the local track on the 26th to help a friend. I’ve known him since 2003 and used to build his engines. In fact, the first single 4 572 that he had that went over 1k power on gas was with my heads and intake.

The shop that built the engine before that couldn’t
scratch 950. I know for a fact they copied what I did because they called and asked.

IIRC it went 1035 at 6800. They used a 20w50 oil. It ran to 7500 in the car.

A good 5w30 would have been 20 more. The extra 700 rpm was probably another 30-40.

And guess what? He went the Predator route. I told him to skip it and do a BBC but he spent probably close to 10 years on that ****.

He finally got sick of waiting on parts and paying 65% more for them.

He sold that junk and went BBC and hasn’t looked back.

Chrysler has **** on racers for so long now it’s stupid. And we kept taking it.

Between Chrysler and its garbage management (piss on Lee Iacocca) and slap happy racers who never want to go faster we get what we get and we are who we are.

You want to go racing? Get a big block Chevy and do it.

Or continue to try and turn chicken **** into chicken salad.

And BTW and FWIW the way Chrysler treated some of its racers publicly is a shame on them that will never go away.

When the dust settled, Chrysler and their shitty, petty management derelict idiots we’re made fools by the people they crapped on hardest.

Served them right.
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skrews said:
No. I'm putting the motor togeher right now. Working on a set of SM heads for it. Should be done in a month I hope. Hoping to crack the 9s. We'll see how my ching chong ding dong ported heads work. Should go mid 280s on the SF1020 bench I use, which is mid to upper 290s on most others.
367ci 13.6 comp
Howards 266/272 109+2 .666/.681 SFT
Gas ported rings 1/16 1/16 3/16
1.875 X 3.5 Hedman
Reworked M1 single plane with 2" 4500 to 4150 HVH adapter and a 1050 gen 3 Ultra Dominator
Eagle steel crank REM super finished
I J scraper and 8 qrt Moroso pan

Ran a 10.27 last year in vey good air. Car should be a little over a 100 lbs lighter and make 30 or so more HP this time.
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you should have no problem hitting the 9's. more compression and way more camshaft then my 355''.
 
B3422w5 said:
Grabbing a grinder doesn’t interest me in the least.
You didn’t answer my question. Do you think well done W2 heads would be faster than the Bloomer heads have proven to be?
I thought this was about offset heads versus standard heads. Of course the bigger hole is going to win most of the time, but the W2 was only around 185 as cast and around 200 fully ported. It wasn’t a “ big” head
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I firmly believe a PROPERLY ported set of W2s would make more power than the bloomers.
 
And the W2 was designed around 1974, and intended for 340-355 cubic inches. Definitely not a "big" head. A Indy 360-1 would be the next step up
 
So, the AFR heads are nothing more than a fart in a windstorm and we're at 16 pages. I think you boys need a new outlet.
 
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