An observation and theory on the manipulation of time.

[chryslerfat]

Why does it seems like 5 workdays take forever and 2 weekend days goes by as fast as you can blink. I think employers manipulate time.

 

[Ben Drinkin]

Years ago, I did some time.. It's not abstract, It's real!!!

 

[mopar head]

I just wish time would fast forward to 1-20 17

 

[TrailBeast]

Well, I think many of the things we were taught in school and accepted as truth,really were not. And somehow all those theories became laws. And the laws were then proven false, but the textbooks were never changed. So now this information became lies. And they still fed it to us. And we believed it cuz we were kids. Teachers wouldn't lie to us would they? Well I think most of them didn't know any better,they were just regurgitating what they had been taught, or had come to believe was true.
So now, many generations later, the masses are so indoctrinated, we believe all kinds of lies.

I have no doubt about this at all, as we can prove some of it.
You probably realize there is (in my opinion) one of the biggest ones still VERY active in society and I'll leave it at that.
On another subject along those lines, the public school system in the area I live completely removed from local history the fact that Chinese immigrants built this town during the mining days, and when the mines ran out they used the Chinese as slave labor in their homes and on their lands.
When they were done with them there, they forced them to live underground out of sight and/or on the outskirts of the town.
Some of the tunnels are still there, and they still refuse to admit that it happened as far as what they teach in the schools.

I'm a lot more interested in traveling faster than the speed of light. But perhaps the 2 are interrelated. Anyhow I bet a Mopar rocket will be faster than a chebby rocket!!!!!!

I think they are, and actually most of my interest in time is the apparent speed of light barrier we currently have also.
Once we understand one, I think the other will be obvious.
Kind of like running on a treadmill is how I currently think about it.
The treadmill surface is time moving along and we have not gotten to the point we can run fast enough to gain on it but only barely grasp the concept of the ability to keep up with it's passing. (keeping up being the speed of light)

When we can run faster than that surpassing the speed of light, is this where the passing of time changes also?
Used to be we had no idea how fast the treadmill ran because it not only ran a lot faster than we were capable of running, it was so much faster that we couldn't conceive it's speed.
Now we are coming up on being able to keep up with it.
What happens if we can run faster than the treadmill runs?

 

[Ben Drinkin]

I have no doubt about this at all, as we can prove some of it.
You probably realize there is (in my opinion) one of the biggest ones still VERY active in society and I'll leave it at that.
On another subject along those lines, the public school system in the area I live completely removed from local history the fact that Chinese immigrants built this town during the mining days, and when the mines ran out they used the Chinese as slave labor in their homes and on their lands.
When they were done with them there, they forced them to live underground out of sight and/or on the outskirts of the town.
Some of the tunnels are still there, and they still refuse to admit that it happened as far as what they teach in the schools.





I think they are, and actually most of my interest in time is the apparent speed of light barrier we currently have also.
Once we understand one, I think the other will be obvious.
Kind of like running on a treadmill is how I currently think about it.
The treadmill surface is time moving along and we have not gotten to the point we can run fast enough to gain on it but only barely grasp the concept of the ability to keep up with it's passing. (keeping up being the speed of light)

When we can run faster than that surpassing the speed of light, is this where the passing of time changes also?
Used to be we had no idea how fast the treadmill ran because it not only ran a lot faster than we were capable of running, it was so much faster that we couldn't conceive it's speed.
Now we are coming up on being able to keep up with it.
What happens if we can run faster than the treadmill runs?

I wonder how fast the speed of light is if we measure it without out our arbitrary time units?

 

[seabee]

I have no doubt about this at all, as we can prove some of it.
You probably realize there is (in my opinion) one of the biggest ones still VERY active in society and I'll leave it at that.
On another subject along those lines, the public school system in the area I live completely removed from local history the fact that Chinese immigrants built this town during the mining days, and when the mines ran out they used the Chinese as slave labor in their homes and on their lands.
When they were done with them there, they forced them to live underground out of sight and/or on the outskirts of the town.
Some of the tunnels are still there, and they still refuse to admit that it happened as far as what they teach in the schools.





I think they are, and actually most of my interest in time is the apparent speed of light barrier we currently have also.
Once we understand one, I think the other will be obvious.
Kind of like running on a treadmill is how I currently think about it.
The treadmill surface is time moving along and we have not gotten to the point we can run fast enough to gain on it but only barely grasp the concept of the ability to keep up with it's passing. (keeping up being the speed of light)

When we can run faster than that surpassing the speed of light, is this where the passing of time changes also?
Used to be we had no idea how fast the treadmill ran because it not only ran a lot faster than we were capable of running, it was so much faster that we couldn't conceive it's speed.
Now we are coming up on being able to keep up with it.
What happens if we can run faster than the treadmill runs?

Einstein's Theory Of Special Relativity addresses speed and time and how motion dilates time.

So if approaching light speed slows time, does surpassing it reverse time?

 

[Dartnut]

There is no gravity, earth sucks.

 

[TrailBeast]

I wonder how fast the speed of light is if we measure it without out our arbitrary time units?

Not sure our measurement of time really matters here, as it is what it is.
All we have to do is match it, and that would be pretty easy to know when it happens.
Will everything behind us be dark because light can't catch up any longer?
What will it look like in front of us with light coming at us at 599 584 916 m/s? (our 186k and it's 186k combined)
Einstein said it's not possible to surpass the speed of light, but I don't believe that.
He said if you try to surpass the speed of light time will slow and like a governor on an engine keep you from surpassing it.
This seems to agree that time and speed have a relationship with each other, so is there a point they not only interact but rely on each other to exist?
Is it somehow possible that they are actually the same thing?
Is it possible they become one at the speed of light? or at 2-3-4 times the speed of light?

Einstein's Theory Of Special Relativity addresses speed and time and how motion dilates time.

So if approaching light speed slows time, does surpassing it reverse time?

That was exactly my point in using the treadmill as an example.
Gotta wonder huh?

 

[fl 71]

Einstein's Theory Of Special Relativity addresses speed and time and how motion dilates time.

So if approaching light speed slows time, does surpassing it reverse time?

Good question, or if we get ahead of light can we look back and predict the future or would we predicting the past?

 

[H22A4]

Time manipulation? That's easy! Any electrical utility with generation can manipulate time by varying the frequency. Any clock plugged into a wall will slow down if the frequency is below 60hz and will run fast if above 60hz.

 

[Ben Drinkin]

Not sure our measurement of time really matters here, as it is what it is.
All we have to do is match it, and that would be pretty easy to know when it happens.
Will everything behind us be dark because light can't catch up any longer?
What will it look like in front of us with light coming at us at 599 584 916 m/s? (our 186k and it's 186k combined)
Einstein said it's not possible to surpass the speed of light, but I don't believe that.
He said if you try to surpass the speed of light time will slow and like a governor on an engine keep you from surpassing it.
This seems to agree that time and speed have a relationship with each other, so is there a point they not only interact but rely on each other to exist?
Is it somehow possible that they are actually the same thing?
Is it possible they become one at the speed of light? or at 2-3-4 times the speed of light?




That was exactly my point in using the treadmill as an example.
Gotta wonder huh?

Wouldn't the increase in object's mass/energy as it approaches the speed of light prevent it from actually getting to that speed?
Unless Einstein was way off....

 

[TrailBeast]

Wouldn't the increase in object's mass/energy as it approaches the speed of light prevent it from actually getting to that speed?
Unless Einstein was way off....

Sure, in atmosphere but outside of that I doubt it would matter what the mass was.
I told the wife one day that there isn't ONE sign of proof that an asteroid or some such thing had to fit a size requirement like they show in the movies.
Something 100 times the size of our sun could blast through here at 200 million miles a second and we wouldn't have a clue.
The fact that it hasn't happened that we know of doesn't mean it can't.

Imagine getting up in the morning and seeing a dim ball that looks about like the moon in the sky that wasn't there before.
Then by noon it's so big it takes up the sky horizon to horizon.
Then at 4pm it's the only thing you can see in the sky and they tell you it's still not within our solar system yet.

There is not one single thread of proof that it can't happen.
People just don't usually think that big is all.

 

[Lustle]

Einstein's Theory Of Special Relativity addresses speed and time and how motion dilates time.

So if approaching light speed slows time, does surpassing it reverse time?

It slows time RELATIVELY. This is where the theory comes in. The person approaching the speed of light experiences time normally. But is actually slower relative to an outside observer.

So time is only "slowed" in that relative area. Which is an effect of gravity through velocity at the speed of light.

 

[zkx14]

I went to Jersey today. After being on the Surekill Crawl-way (Schuylkill Expressway) for 3 minutes my GPS indicated that my trip time to destination had increased to 10 minutes longer than it showed when I got on. The only possible explanation is that I went back in time 13 minutes!

 

[RustyRatRod]

Can you mail me a sack of what you're smokin please? Please?

I'll keep it short and sweet, but here's my thoughts on it.

Things we already know.
A black hole pulls in matter because of high gravitational forces.
Gravity as far as we know only affects matter ( and before it's mentioned yes, light is matter)
Time slows the closer you get to a black hole. (so apparently it has an affect on something that is just basically a concept, and not tangible matter right?)

So what if we are misunderstanding how time works and what it is?
Could time itself be a form of matter affected by gravity just like any other matter is?

I'm not speaking of time like day to day sunrises and sunsets, or months or years.
These are man made scales determined specifically by our solar system ONLY.
Outside of our solar system the same rules don't apply unless we use our measurements conceived and accepted on planet Earth.
Just like up/down, North/South don't apply outside this planets surface.
Part of the problem as I see it is that we are trying to apply our measure and understanding when we think of it, and may be completely missing the fact that time is also made up of a sort of matter (gravitational forces affect only matter, right?)

Is it possible we are misunderstanding it, and therefore find it impossible to alter or move around in?
I'll ask the question using things we already understand.

Are we basically trying to use sails when we should be using wheels when we try to study time?
Can time be pumped through a pipe and stored like fluid?
Can it be projected like light?

We can't answer these questions with what we know or think about the subject, so maybe we misunderstand it so badly we can't do anything with it but note it's passing as events that already happened, are happening now or has not happened yet.
Or is it possible we are not using the right tools to work with it, because of this lack of knowledge about it's true nature?

Is time just a concept, or is it really a tangible thing that can be manipulated, stored or rerouted?

This is one of my hobbies, when I'm just sitting staring at a wall.

 

[famous bob]

I'm a lot more interested in traveling faster than the speed of light. But perhaps the 2 are interrelated. Anyhow I bet a Mopar rocket will be faster than a chebby rocket!!!!!!

I didn`t read all this, but I think you guys need something to do ! maybe go work on that A body !

 

[TrailBeast]

I didn`t read all this, but I think you guys need something to do ! maybe go work on that A body !

You know what they say about variety.
Besides, my A body doesn't need anything done.

The BMW decided to quit downtown last night, so I have to go see what the heck this morning.
All I could really find out last night was that there was no spark.
Great.
The 43 year old Dodge to the rescue again, and due to the kids all having today off we are doing T day today instead of Thursday.

 

[TrailBeast]

Can you mail me a sack of what you're smokin please? Please?

I'm going to mail it tomorrow, isn't it there yet?

 

[ScampMike]

 

[seabee]

It slows time RELATIVELY. This is where the theory comes in. The person approaching the speed of light experiences time normally. But is actually slower relative to an outside observer.

So time is only "slowed" in that relative area. Which is an effect of gravity through velocity at the speed of light.

Yes, but how does that translate to a vessel using speed in a vacuum?

 

[Lustle]

Yes, but how does that translate to a vessel using speed in a vacuum?

How does what translate? And what does a vacuum have to do with it?

 

[seabee]

How does what translate? And what does a vacuum have to do with it?

Hafele–Keating experiment proves that two clocks will show different times when brought to different velocities.

Speed of light in a vacuum is different than SOL in gravity.

So as an example, a vessel is used to transcend the speed of light in space with minimal gravitational effects and then returns to the same velocity as stationary Earth. When the occupants leave that vessel will they have reversed time?

 

[Ben Drinkin]

Hafele–Keating experiment proves that two clocks will show different times when brought to different velocities.

Speed of light in a vacuum is different than SOL in gravity.

So as an example, a vessel is used to transcend the speed of light in space with minimal gravitational effects and then returns to the same velocity as stationary Earth. When the occupants leave that vessel will they have reversed time?

Superman just flew around the world backwards really fast....

 

[Lustle]

Hafele–Keating experiment proves that two clocks will show different times when brought to different velocities.

Speed of light in a vacuum is different than SOL in gravity.

So as an example, a vessel is used to transcend the speed of light in space with minimal gravitational effects and then returns to the same velocity as stationary Earth. When the occupants leave that vessel will they have reversed time?

Uhm. Gravity still exists in a vacuum. So I still don't know what vacuum has to do with anything. Vacuum is simply the absence of matter. Not gravity. SOL is commonly measured as in a vacuum because then there is no matter to interact with it. Causing it to slow down, refract, or be affected in any way.

Ok so you got a planet and a vessel. So lets say the vessel does travel faster than light. And lets say it goes back 1 years. It would STILL arrive in the future at the planets point of view. Because of relativity. At 0.999999999999999 the speed of light. For every DAY on the ship. 61286.634 years would pass on the planet. Or for every second on the ship, .709336 etc etc years would pass. So the ship would have to travel to the speed of light and back, in 1.4097 seconds just to stay "equal" with the time dilation effect, assuming that once at the speed of light, time dilation effect remains the same but you travel backwards instead of forwards. If it's reverse dilation? Then it would take speeds like 999999999999999 beyond light speed. Assuming the reverse scale is the same as the inverse scale.

This is also assuming faster than light travel is possible. That time dilation beyond speed of light even exists. And a whole host of other things (imagine accelerating/decelerating to 186000 miles per second in 1.4097 seconds) that could completely screw it up.

 

[Lustle]

Superman just flew around the world backwards really fast....

Actually kind of how it works. At least for the person doing the flying.