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I'm full if q's today as I wire a new gauge cluster in

there's a red wire hanging under my dash, seems to have just come loose, and its running back to the starter relay/solenoid

it's near the wiring harness in thr steering column but I suspect it came down from the fuse block

this car had an msd ignition and coil installed many many years ago
 
I'm full if q's today as I wire a new gauge cluster in

there's a red wire hanging under my dash, seems to have just come loose, and its running back to the starter relay/solenoid

it's near the wiring harness in thr steering column but I suspect it came down from the fuse block

this car had an msd ignition and coil installed many many years ago
Hard to tell without pics canajien but it might be a wire from the Ammeter. Does it have a ring terminal on it?
 
it goes straight to the solenoid, looks like it was just jammed into place

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It’s connected to the hot side of the relay so it’s hot all the time in the cabin.
It’s not a factory wire, so it may very well be from the old ignition system.
If I’m not mistaken the MSD requires a constant hot wire and keyed power both.

There are other aftermarket add ons that require a constant hot, like keyless entry for one example.
 
I'm afraid to reconnect the battery to test the gauges....

will this only get power if the car is running? if so where should the old ammeter wires connect to - the new autometer gauges don't include an ammeter, could it be connect to the wire in the autometer harness asking for 12v ignition?

in the meantime I'm gonna check if the ammeter wire up at the cluster is still connected to anything

thanks
 
I'm afraid to reconnect the battery to test the gauges....

will this only get power if the car is running? if so where should the old ammeter wires connect to - the new autometer gauges don't include an ammeter, could it be connect to the wire in the autometer harness asking for 12v ignition?

in the meantime I'm gonna check if the ammeter wire up at the cluster is still connected to anything

thanks
Ok canajien ,

In the interests of saving you from major headaches , I think you need to slow down a little and get a grasp of the electrical wiring for your particular car if indeed you are not familiar with it.

Here's a great place to start to find electrical wiring diagrams and information.


Wiring and Electrical – MyMopar
 
thanks I'll give it a look

in the meantime I found a red wire with a spade connector, probably from the light switch as there is a wire missing from there, with another wire very poorly connected to it, that wire has a spade on the end, and I just found a random connector on the floor which was probably connecting that red wire, to the light switch in a roundabout way

the ammeter wire is definitely still connected to the original factory wiring

gonna leave asiis for now and do some reading

I thought the use of rtv holding the torsion bars in without a clip was sketchy....

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Both you have spoken about is NOT factory. There is no possible way for us to know what they are 4. Best thing I think is to remove them and then if something does not work troubleshoot it to figure out why, and if necessary, rewire as needed.

And here it comes so, hang TF ON!!! WHAT IN HELL are we working on?

Do you have a factory shop manual and or wiring diagram?
 
Skimming back through your posts @canajien this is a modified '71 Duster.

Can't help with the mods but can get you on a footing to understand the factory system.
Old school underdash gage sets often included an ammeter, but not common now, and you certainly don't need or want two.

I find it helpful to recognize the car has two power sources; battery and alternator.
Each has an output line that is tied together with the main circuits at a welded splice.
The splice is wrapped in the interior harness. On the diagram below it represented by a solid circle. (The '71 Service manual shows splices as diamonds.)
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Everything connected to that splice is connected to the battery positive. So if the battery is connected, all of those wires are hot!
It doesn't matter if the key is off. They are still hot. This why the horn, the brake lights, the dome light, etc will work with the key off.

Ammeter: The ammeter is in the battery feed. The needle deflects when electric current flows past the needle. So it shows electrons moving. It will show disharge during starting and charging after starting. Normally its in the middle since the alternator supplies power when the engine is running.

Fuse box: Some of the fuses are always hot. Others are only hot when the key is in run or accessory position. There is one additional fuse for the instrument lighting. We can come back to that later if you want your new gage lamps to be dimmable.

Seeing the condition of the harnesses in your car, plan on rewrapping and supporting the wire bundles like the factory. Loose wires will scrape insulation, stress and break at terminals, and can cause accidental grounding. Notice a lot of the wiring is not protected by fuses or circuit breakers! The only protection for the main circuits is the fusible link - which may or may not melt before damage is done elsewhere.
 
Skimming back through your posts @canajien this is a modified '71 Duster.

Can't help with the mods but can get you on a footing to understand the factory system.
Old school underdash gage sets often included an ammeter, but not common now, and you certainly don't need or want two.

I find it helpful to recognize the car has two power sources; battery and alternator.
Each has an output line that is tied together with the main circuits at a welded splice.
The splice is wrapped in the interior harness. On the diagram below it represented by a solid circle. (The '71 Service manual shows splices as diamonds.)
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Everything connected to that splice is connected to the battery positive. So if the battery is connected, all of those wires are hot!
It doesn't matter if the key is off. They are still hot. This why the horn, the brake lights, the dome light, etc will work with the key off.

Ammeter: The ammeter is in the battery feed. The needle deflects when electric current flows past the needle. So it shows electrons moving. It will show disharge during starting and charging after starting. Normally its in the middle since the alternator supplies power when the engine is running.

Fuse box: Some of the fuses are always hot. Others are only hot when the key is in run or accessory position. There is one additional fuse for the instrument lighting. We can come back to that later if you want your new gage lamps to be dimmable.

Seeing the condition of the harnesses in your car, plan on rewrapping and supporting the wire bundles like the factory. Loose wires will scrape insulation, stress and break at terminals, and can cause accidental grounding. Notice a lot of the wiring is not protected by fuses or circuit breakers! The only protection for the main circuits is the fusible link - which may or may not melt before damage is done elsewhere.
thanks, I was just about to post that the car was pretty much stripped of everything, most everything still needs or needed attention when I got it, except for the passenger window crank

there is a lot of old wiring which goes nowhere that will need to be removed, and a lot of the newer wiring will need to be wrapped/protected under the dash, one of the first things I found myself doing was putting grommets into the firewall holes where wiring was randomly pulled into the cabin

thanks to everyone who replied, I have managed to figure out what wires are for what, that link yo the wiring was especially helpful
 
new gauges are in, they work, that odd wire which I started this with is out of the picture but now there's no lights, at all, I either borked the light switch when removing the old cluster or there's no power

classic case of fix one thing and then something else breaks

at any rate, I think this will result in a new wiring harness this winter, lotsa dodgy connections from when it was stripped and turned into a drag car
 
it goes straight to the solenoid, looks like it was just jammed into place

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I think I can safely write, this odd wire was going to the horn relay

I was doing some work tidy up the wiring a bit more, saw the horn relay inside by the drivers kick panel.

It had a spade connector and no wire, which explains why it hasn't been working for a while.

Made a new connection et voila, the 50yo old horn wheezed back to life.

Once again, thanks to everyone who chimed in with advice etc...

New wiring is the #1 job this winter.
 
I'm full if q's today as I wire a new gauge cluster in

there's a red wire hanging under my dash, seems to have just come loose, and its running back to the starter relay/solenoid

it's near the wiring harness in thr steering column but I suspect it came down from the fuse block

this car had an msd ignition and coil installed many many years ago
That's NOT a factory wire. Disconnect it and throw it away before it shorts out and burns your car to the ground!
 

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