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Howdy and Happy Cinco de Mayo!

This is an argument over... what DART engine packages were available 68 - 71.

Side #1 1968 you could get literally any engine in a dart "69 hemi was off the list"
340,383 or 440. 1970 340 was the biggest engine available.

** Is this correct?

Side #2 It was "possible" to get any engine package up to 71, "IF" you knew the right codes and how to order it. If so, what were the codes?

** Is this correct?

Thanks again for the time!
 
Short answer question 1. No. M-Code available in 69 from the factory as an option .Not 68

Question 2. No. No factory Big blocks in A bodies after 69.
 
1971 Dart (Swinger) was not available with a 340 unless you lived in Canada and ordered from one of two dealers. Crestview or Crosstown only. They were a limited run special order from Chrysler Canada and not available in normal production or in the U.S. no matter what codes you used or who you knew.
 
Professor Fate said:
1971 Dart (Swinger) was not available with a 340 unless you lived in Canada and ordered from one of two dealers. Crestview or Crosstown only. They were a limited run special order from Chrysler Canada and not available in normal production or in the U.S. no matter what codes you used or who you knew.
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Technically the Demon was still a Dart and had a 340 through 1972. In fact the 72 340 Demon had DART on the trunk lid...

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HemiSSDart said:
Technically the Demon was still a Dart and had a 340 through 1972. In fact the 72 340 Demon had DART on the trunk lid...

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Right- that's why I said Dart (Swinger).
The year groupings mentioned suggested the 111 in. wheelbase cars were the ones being referenced. But, assume nothing- especially when a beer bet is involved!
 
Professor Fate said:
Right- that's why I said Dart (Swinger).
The year groupings mentioned suggested the 111 in. wheelbase cars were the ones being referenced. But, assume nothing- especially when a beer bet is involved!
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Read it again, he said Dart and did not specify which model...
 
And you are forgetting about the 273...
Available in 68 & 69 but not 70 or 71

So you could not get ANY engine just by ordering it.
 
Woodward said:
Howdy and Happy Cinco de Mayo!

This is an argument over... what DART engine packages were available 68 - 71.

Side #1 1968 you could get literally any engine in a dart "69 hemi was off the list"
340,383 or 440. 1970 340 was the biggest engine available.

** Is this correct?

Side #2 It was "possible" to get any engine package up to 71, "IF" you knew the right codes and how to order it. If so, what were the codes?

** Is this correct?

Thanks again for the time!
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Hemi was only available in 68. 440 only available in 69. PERIOD. So worded like you put it, neither side is correct.
 
HemiSSDart said:
Yes, but they were built as 383 GTS's at Chrysler then transported over to Hurst-Campbell for the 440 conversion, so they were still factory cars...
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So Mr. Norm did not do the swaps at his dealership huh?
Was fender tags all denoted still as a 383?
 
HemiSSDart said:
Nope, the 440 was available in 1968, 48 were produced for one dealership, so as I said above, if you were in the know you could buy one, I have one of those 48...
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MY understanding was they were not available from Chrysler, but from participating dealerships. Is that incorrect?
 
I thought 440 in a dart 68 was available as a race only package with a disclaimer on the inside glove box door.
 
Thanks!

The funny thing is I still remember being in a conversation with some Direct-Connection guy's. They were talking about "Back-Door" ways HP engines were put in "A" bodies, and the need to know how to code the build sheet.

I'm not completely crazy, I still remember GM did it also.
 
IF your going to get to drink beer with your buddies anyway its more of a disagreement.........which requires beer to talk about it .........................which might run into a lengthy conversation....... which will require more beer..............
Things can and do take time to explain .......which might require ..........beer........ This secret backdoor coding will certainly take time
to sort out ............. which will require more beer..................... $^&()+__(^$#@$###@%$Y& O yeah where were we ........
I need a beerr to talk about this stufff ....... *&^%$^* which OOO give me another beer ...............
At least thats the way it is down heer............. IM out ............ Texas who????????????
 
HemiSSDart said:
Yes, but they were built as 383 GTS's at Chrysler then transported over to Hurst-Campbell for the 440 conversion, so they were still factory cars...
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Just found this to support your response.

I learn something new every day on this site.

Cheers!!



"....Dodge shipped 383-spec Darts (minus powertrain) along with factory-prepped 440 engines to Hurst-Campbell, Inc., a Michigan aftermarket company. Hurst-Campbell did the conversion, Dodge reps inspected it, and the cars were forwarded to Grand Spaulding Auto Sales in Chicago, a performance-oriented Dodge dealer. These cars got vehicle identification numbers but were not covered by the factory warranty.

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Note that this 1968 Dart GTS 440 retains "383" badges denoting the smaller engine. The element of surprise was a muscle car staple.
With even more weight in front and no power steering (it wouldn't fit), 440 Darts were good for little but all-out straight-line attacks. So irresistible was the setup that a thief stole Car and Driver's brand-new, bright blue 440 Dart test car from its New York parking space.

Documenting the heist in its October 1969 issue, the magazine said the Dart soon surfaced "at a local street racing highway and cleaned up. The car, camouflaged in light gray primer...had put down a brace of Corvettes that had gained some local renown."

The thief was eventually caught red-handed at New York National Speedway, where the Dart was embarrassing all rivals. Appropriately enough, it was running in the dragway's "Hot Car" class...."
 

Woodward said:
Thanks!

The funny thing is I still remember being in a conversation with some Direct-Connection guy's. They were talking about "Back-Door" ways HP engines were put in "A" bodies, and the need to know how to code the build sheet.

I'm not completely crazy, I still remember GM did it also.
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Hipo chevy dealers did do something similar to Mr Norm, putting 427s in cars you couldn't get them in..... until GM came up with the COPO (Central Office Production Order). Then, if you knew how, and had a cooperative dealer, the factory would put your 427 camaro together. The dealers didn't have to do it anymore. A COPO order was how you could get a ZL1 in a camaro (but not a chevelle or nova)
I had a friend (since passed) that had a COPO 375 horse 396 camaro.
Why a camaro that could be had with a 396 anywhere, was a COPO, was never properly explained.
 
jos51700 said:
That's the first/only '72 340 Demon I've seen with Dart emblems on the deck lid, and my 340 Demon sure didn't have that. Is it a Canada thing?
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Then yours is a 71. By 72 they new that the Demon name was going away so they put Dart back on them for the upcoming 73 Dart Sport...
 
Kendog 170 said:
I thought 440 in a dart 68 was available as a race only package with a disclaimer on the inside glove box door.
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Nope, that was a Hemi Dart. GSS's were LS23M8B, Hemi Darts were LO23M8B. And all the GSS's retained the 383 FOUR BARREL emblems on the fenders, though a couple have been found without any callout...
 
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