Exactly my point. To truly explain the disappointing results a systematic diagnosis and verification needs to take place anything short of that is speculation.
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I’ll ask you the same thing. Some new guy will call him. John Doe, joins this site and says I have a 500 horse 360 in my truck that weighs 3600 at the line. We would say how do you know it’s 500 horse? If he said, I just know it is. And then we would ask what did it run? If he said 87 mph, this site would jump all over him saying no way that’s 500 horse. Am I right???
I already answered this Tim.
I’ve watched Joe’s videos of his stuff on the dyno. I know what they are doing I wouldn’t do.
You refuse to grasp what the numbers say coming off the dyno.
The issue with his engine is the bad testing protocol they use.
That’s not a dyno issue. The operator needs to change what he is doing.
I very rarely use dyno headers.
Why? Because I know how much power chassis headers CAN cost.
I’m betting you can piss 20 hp away just from the headers.
Did he use his ignition or the dyno ignition? That can be another 10-20.
What was the coolant temp on the dyno? I know guys test engines as cold as 130. I do performance stuff at 160 and street stuff at 180.
So if they tested at 160 and at the track Joe is 190 lop off another 25-30. If they tested at 130 then knock off some more.
I’ve posted all this already but you don’t get it.
I’m not going through the corrected and observed number again. Go back and read that.
It’s entirely expected if the testing went the way I thought it did that his engine in the chassis lost that kind of power.
Yes you are.
What is not speculation,is the ET slip. We are not speculating the ET slip.
Then you don’t get the weather swings over there that we do out here.
All Joe needs to do is post up the fuel consumption numbers.
Then we’d all know if the dyno is lying or not.
I agree with this post 100%. 100%. To the fact that I am not doubting the horsepower that the Dino showed. I am not disputing that horsepower. You insist that I am, but I am not. I am saying that same 500 hp is not in the truck. It might’ve been there on the Dino stand, but not in the truck is my point.
And right here we have people wondering if it’s a honest Dino. I am not. I’m just saying when that engine got up off of the Dino stand all the horsepower did not get up with it.
I’d say in that chassis with that tune that’s what it makes.
It is hilarious that racers thing they are tuners.
I have found that a full 80% of the guys at the track can’t tune.
I watched a guy with a very fast Nova kill his ET and MPH because his chassis was so far off.
How many guys at the track can’t tune read a plug? Not many.
How many guys can use a timing light? Not many. Some guys don’t even have a timing light.
I don’t need to speculate.
His time slip is a joke.
Not because the dyno was bad, but because his testing on the dyno was wrong and his chassis tuning is suspect.
And I’ll even agree with that for sure! I am not saying that about Joe, nor am I saying anything bad about Joe here. Joe is a friend. I think he is doing great down there, trying to build engines and race cars and everything else he’s got going on
RIGHT.
Because Joe didn’t use the same headers, ignition, fuel system and I doubt the same coolant temp.
And you wonder where the power went.
I’m TELLING you where it went and for some reason you refuse to accept the truth.
I can go along with this for sure. For no other reason than the mile per hour is way off from what the power to be should produce.
I’m saying it about Joe because people that don’t know should know and they should be helping him.
Just like taking an engine to Nicks garage.
If you want to change a jet and move the timing up and down Nick is the guy.
If you want to test and sort things out Nick would be wasting your time.
Never said I didn’t accept it. It could very well be 100% exactly what happened. Remember, I only spoke of this due to the fact that people given me Dino videos of RV 440s, so I could know what to expect from mine. I just simply said it’s irrelevant to what my motor will run in my truck.
Joe and I talked on the phone for probably close to a half hour before I put out my video. We both found this topic interesting. We both agreed for me to put out my video, and then he would do his. Well, it’s truth. We both want to learn from this, I feel he wants to defend the number instead of investigate. I wished he would be interested in investigating it and not accepting it. If that were my truck, I would not accept that. I would tune for two years and I would still be tuning if them were the numbers at the track cause in my head it doesn’t make sense.
I'm going to say it, he built a turd. lol
A Tony special. lol
Oh, thank you for saying that time slip is wrong for the power it’s supposed to make
N.B.T.,
You do a lot of testing on your small block.
Can you see a measured difference in acceleration rate on the Dyno, with adequate windage control over say a stock windage Tray?
Discrepancies, they are real too
All of this, and we still don’t have a single clue of what my RV 440 will run in my truck. LOL. I guess I am to blame for derailing this by posting the two videos. I thought it was relevant because of the reason I made the video. But we spent a few pages on just Dyno. LOL. I will do what I can to get back on the RV 440. Hopefully if I get something done, even a little something, we’ll get back on track.
Steel shim head gaskets and a camshaft change...
Ha! We even forgot what we were doing here LOL. RV 440 is going in as she sits if it swims like a rock, so be it.
I hope he goes with the whiplash or something similar with a steel shim and ported head when he changes things.
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