Brainstormin' 440 vs 5.9 ...

[fishmens67]

Ha! We even forgot what we were doing here LOL. RV 440 is going in as she sits if it swims like a rock, so be it.

I knew that, I'm hoping you try to get what you can before getting into the block.

 

[318willrun]

I hope he goes with the whiplash or something similar with a steel shim and ported head when he changes things.

When I change things, they will be changed. Most likely Pistons heads yada yada, but I’m not focusing on any of that right now. Once the 440 is in it will be all about getting it to perform at its best. When it’s time to build it I’ll just pull it back out and we’ll build it.

 

[318willrun]

TT5.9mag --------- 16.90
jrc4y4 -------------- 15.30
dirty white boy-----15.15
71GSSDemon ----- 15.00
Sharpone ---------- 14.85
Killer6----------------14.81
69conv---------------14.80
496 polara --------- 14.78
Turbo440Dart ----- 14.70
70SwingerGuy------14.65
Mopar44134--------14.605
mopowers---------- 14.53
Curious Duster ---- 14.50
red67gts ----------- 14.40
MOPARMAGA ------ 14.32
a-bodyguy --------- 14.319
67/6barracuda ---- 14.20
skep419 ------------ 14.12
junkyardhero ------ 14.00
440 Mike ----------- 13.90
fishmen67 --------- 13.80
sr71mopar---------- 13.75
273 ----------------- 13.70
Garrett Ellison------13.58
331MP ------------- 13.40
Illahe——————— 13.30
RustyRatRod ------ 13.016

 

[Illahe]

I hope he goes with the whiplash or something similar with a steel shim and ported head when he changes things.

Hydraulic Flat Tappet Camshaft; 1959 - 1980 Chrysler 383-440 1600 to 5400 Howards Cams 721141-08

 

[92b]

What is not speculation,is the ET slip. We are not speculating the ET slip.

You're speculating why the et does not match the stated hp. Nobody has verified and diagnosed why they don't match.

It could be because the motor never made 500 hp at the dyno to begin with. Because of honest operator error, equipment error or maybe the dyno operator is one of those dirty, low down, no good, lying, cheating, crooked, theiving, dyno operators that you hear about on the internet all the time.

Or maybe the motor is making 500 hp and somehow on instalation something got messed up. Timing wrong , fuel system messed up, electrical, etc. And now at the track it is no longer making the 500hp it was at the dyno.

Or the motor is still making 500 hp and something in the drivetrain or chassis is holding it back.

There is no entry space in the Wallace calculator for stuck front calipers or bad torque converter. The Wallace calculator assumes that the drive train chassis, engine, etc are all in perfect working order and assigns some average number for hp losses through the drivetrain , chassis, and aerodynamics.

I hope this explains that just because the car doesn't run the et or mph at the track for it's hp and weight that the Wallace calculator says it should that doesn't automatically mean that the motor didn't make the horsepower on the dyno.

 

[318willrun]

You're speculating why the et does not match the stated hp. Nobody has verified and diagnosed why they don't match.

It could be because the motor never made 500 hp at the dyno to begin with. Because of honest operator error, equipment error or maybe the dyno operator is one of those dirty, low down, no good, lying, cheating, crooked, theiving, dyno operators that you hear about on the internet all the time.

Or maybe the motor is making 500 hp and somehow on instalation something got messed up. Timing wrong , fuel system messed up, electrical, etc. And now at the track it is no longer making the 500hp it was at the dyno.

Or the motor is still making 500 hp and something in the drivetrain or chassis is holding it back.

There is no entry space in the Wallace calculator for stuck front calipers or bad torque converter. The Wallace calculator assumes that the drive train chassis, engine, etc are all in perfect working order and assigns some average number for hp losses through the drivetrain , chassis, and aerodynamics.

I hope this explains that just because the car doesn't run the et or mph at the track for it's hp and weight that the Wallace calculator says it should that doesn't automatically mean that the motor didn't make the horsepower on the dyno.

I will give you all of that. Any and all could be true. However, I do know Joe. Joe wouldn’t take a truck with a bunch of sticky calipers or blown through a junk converter and just revving and not going, so I am taking Joe into consideration and the work he’s accomplished and given him some of the benefit of the doubt

 

[mopowers]

I remember seeing one of that guy's videos a while back where he dyno'd a 10.9:1 500ci B motor w/ ootb Edelbrock heads (as I recall), torker intake (maybe ported?), and mild 240/248 @ .050 hydraulic roller camshaft and it made like 640hp/680lb-ft. Those seemed like pretty good numbers to me from the combo.

 

[318willrun]

I will give you all of that. Any and all could be true. However, I do know Joe. Joe wouldn’t take a truck with a bunch of sticky calipers or blown through a junk converter and just revving and not going, so I am taking Joe into consideration and the work he’s accomplished and given him some of the benefit of the doubt

And along this line, if this RV 440 lays an egg I hope I get some benefit of the doubt as well. LOL it won’t be sticky calipers or a binding driveshaft. And to be fair, if something goes seriously wrong at the track, I will bring it back for another pass for sure. Trust me, we have gone to Mexico a few times before it ever goes to the track. LOL

 

[318willrun]

I remember seeing one of that guy's videos a while back where he dyno'd a 10.9:1 500ci B motor w/ ootb Edelbrock heads (as I recall), torker intake (maybe ported?), and mild 240/248 @ .050 hydraulic roller camshaft and it made like 640hp/680lb-ft. Those seemed like pretty good numbers to me from the combo.

I don’t recall that specific combo and that specific horsepower, but I don’t watch a lot of of the Dino videos from anyone. I don’t have a lot of time for watching a lot of car channels to be honest. I do keep tabs on the lunch break truck as it’s one of my favorites on YouTube.

 

[Illahe]

I remember seeing one of that guy's videos a while back where he dyno'd a 10.9:1 500ci B motor w/ ootb Edelbrock heads (as I recall), torker intake (maybe ported?), and mild 240/248 @ .050 hydraulic roller camshaft and it made like 640hp/680lb-ft. Those seemed like pretty good numbers to me from the combo.

Not enough duration (IMHO) to make that kind of HP. Magic cylnder heads..?

 

[mopowers]

I don’t recall that specific combo and that specific horsepower, but I don’t watch a lot of of the Dino videos from anyone. I don’t have a lot of time for watching a lot of car channels to be honest. I do keep tabs on the lunch break truck as it’s one of my favorites on YouTube.

I'll see if I can find it. We're going to make him a fortune.

 

[318willrun]

In general, if you post a Dino video, it will get tons more views then if you post an actual at the track video. Nick’s garage almost runs his channel exclusively off the Dyno

 

[mopowers]

Maybe I got some of the details wrong, but here's the dyno video. Seemed like very good numbers from a relatively mild stroker. Either way, I enjoy the guy's videos. He seems like a good dude.

 

[TT5.9mag]

I’m saying it about Joe because people that don’t know should know and they should be helping him.

Just like taking an engine to Nicks garage.

If you want to change a jet and move the timing up and down Nick is the guy.

If you want to test and sort things out Nick would be wasting your time.

Nick is definitely NOT the guy.

 

[Newbomb Turk]

N.B.T.,

You do a lot of testing on your small block.
Can you see a measured difference in acceleration rate on the Dyno, with adequate windage control over say a stock windage Tray?

Yes. I forgot the mention we don’t know what software is controlling the dyno and what the acceleration rate is.

It makes difference.

 

[92b]

I will give you all of that. Any and all could be true. However, I do know Joe. Joe wouldn’t take a truck with a bunch of sticky calipers or blown through a junk converter and just revving and not going, so I am taking Joe into consideration and the work he’s accomplished and given him some of the benefit of the doubt

Even the best can get caught by something they didn't expect. When you talked to Joe did he mention what steps he might take next to find out why the discrepancy?

 

[318willrun]

Even the best can get caught by something they didn't expect. When you talked to Joe did he mention what steps he might take next to find out why the discrepancy?

No, we really didn’t discuss that aspect of it. We discussed my take on it and how I wanted to use his truck for an example. I didn’t need his permission to do that obviously, but as a friend, I wanted to run it by him and make sure that we were we had understanding. He was all cool with it so was I, and I told him I would love it if he made a follow up video talking on the subject.

 

[TT5.9mag]

How many guys at the track can’t tune read a plug? Not many.

It’s mind blowing to me, not only how many people that call themselves tuners don’t read plugs, but how many don’t know how.

 

[318willrun]

No, we really didn’t discuss that aspect of it. We discussed my take on it and how I wanted to use his truck for an example. I didn’t need his permission to do that obviously, but as a friend, I wanted to run it by him and make sure that we were we had understanding. He was all cool with it so was I, and I told him I would love it if he made a follow up video talking on the subject.

And for the record, had he had a problem with me using his truck for the example, as a friend, I would not have used it.

 

[92b]

I will give you all of that. Any and all could be true. However, I do know Joe. Joe wouldn’t take a truck with a bunch of sticky calipers or blown through a junk converter and just revving and not going, so I am taking Joe into consideration and the work he’s accomplished and given him some of the benefit of the doubt

Didn't you recently have something at the strip with a brake hanging up or am I thinking of someone else?

 

[TT5.9mag]

And for the record, had he had a problem with me using his truck for the example, as a friend, I would not have used it.

Did he agree to sell it to you?

 

[318willrun]

Didn't you recently have something at the strip with a brake hanging up or am I thinking of someone else?

Not recently, a while back I had a Dodge truck have a brake caliper stick on me at the track. However, I was aware right away. It was very obvious. I also took the truck home. I have no reason to believe that Joe would not be any less aware than what I would be.

 

[318willrun]

Did he agree to sell it to you?

He needs to give it to me for free, it’s Christmas!

 

[TT5.9mag]

I’m still waiting for my first example of where one car runs the mile per hour to prove the horsepower that the dyno showed.

My truck is a great example.
3640lbs
Engine dyno 365hp
Chassis dyno 300hp
Et 8.22
Mph 86

 

[318willrun]

My truck is a great example.
3640lbs
Engine dyno 365hp
Chassis dyno 300hp
Et 8.22
Mph 86

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Well, didn’t you hit nitrous to get that mile per hour?? And did you hit the nitrous on the Dino?