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69 Dart, 73-360, 4 speed, 3.55’s, primarily street driven.

KB107’s 30 over, estimated comp 9.5 to 1 pending head gasket thickness on pump gas. Shootin for approx.. 400 hp.

Stock crank and rods.

Stock heads/valves, valve job, new guides and mild porting. Eddy Performer RPM intake.

Comp Cams Pro Magnum Roller Rockers/Arms/Shafts 1622-16, 1.5 ratio.

Need recommendations on cam selection.
 
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I would just call or email a cam manufacturer.
There are many cams that will absolutley get you there.
There are also many opinions on whats best.
If you can afford to go roller ?
For what you are looking for I would get a hyraulic roller cam.
For cost and power per dollar solid flat tappet will get you there.
Hydraulic flat tappet will also get you there.
I believe something close to the mopar 284/484 range will work for your goal.
Best of luck !
 
I say shoot for a cam that gives you gobbs of torque down rather than higher rpm horsepower
 
if your aren't careful you might lose too much lo rpm torque camming that engine for 400 hp.
here's a comp XE-268 on a warm chevy sm .blk. with dart heads ( i know...)
If it was me and you're just running it on the street i might go XE-262,but as
suggested check with a couple of cam grinders!

COMP Cams® - Xtreme Energy 268 Hydraulic Flat Tappet Camshaft, Part # 12-242-2 Dyno Sheet copy.jpg
 
I agree on using a cam of 268 @ .050 on the intake side, maybe even a touch less. but. I would like enough overlap to give it a bit more torque in the upper rpms as well. That would require a bit narrower LSA on a single pattern cam. Maybe 106?
Finding the right cam in your case is more critical than an auto trans,since you can't change stall speed to match the cam.
 
He has a 4 speed .
He does not have to worry about a torque converter.
 
69 Dart, 73-360, 4 speed, 3.55’s, primarily street driven.

KB107’s 30 over, estimated comp 9.5 to 1 pending head gasket thickness on pump gas. Shootin for approx.. 400 hp.

Stock crank and rods.

Stock heads/valves, valve job, new guides and mild porting. Eddy Performer RPM intake.

Comp Cams Pro Magnum Roller Rockers/Arms/Shafts 1622-16, 1.5 ratio.

Need recommendations on cam selection.

Here's the deal;
How do you drive 12mph or less with a 284 and 3.55s?
This is about 1500 rpm, and that cam is gonna be pretty jumpy already with the 20* timing you are gonna throw at it.
IMO something has got to be changed.
Also
I don't think you can hit 400 with a 284 and 9.5
And the bottom will feel like a 318

What's magic about the 400.....to you?

I tried that combo, and have a shed full of also-ran parts that prove there's better combos.

If you want to run 400hp with iron heads on the street, you're limited with pumpgas octane, cylinder pressure, and torque multiplication, to run that big a cam, with a manual trans.
The biggest problem is the 2.66 x 3.55=9.44 starter gear. Your combo is gonna want about 11/1 or 3.91s minimum, to get around the low-cylinder pressure at take off, unless you don't mind starting off like a Mustang.
The next problem is at 32 mph in second, the Rs will be about 2860, and you guessed it, the soft bottom end is showing it's ugly side again. So you are forced to downshift.
3.91s pop the Rs up to 3150 still no whoot for the 284 cam.
And then there's the 65mph=3350rpm thing to deal with, with those 3.91s.
The next thing is first gear with 3.55s will get you about 49mph at 6200. Then into second, the Rs will fall to 4420, and that's not so bad. then off to 60@ 5370,a bit of a choke but not too bad.
Big cams make big power at big rpm.
Streeters rarely get into pulling at those rpms.
Even a 300hp 360 can spin anything you can fit into your oem tubs.......all the way thru first. So the earliest mph that your 284 cam is gonna start counting for something is about 4500 in second, so about 50 mph with those 3.55s . Below about that, a cam, two or maybe even three sizes smaller, will be way more fun to drive.
For instance, with a 268 cam, you can, with proper timing controls, pull that down to about 550rpm in first gear . That would be 4.4 mph with the 2.66 box..... and 3.8 with the 3.09box. That 268 is about 2.3 sizes smaller than the 284. And with proper valve gear, will rev to whatever you want it to.
And.... the 268 will be over 11% stronger in the lower rpm range, due to having a higher cylinder pressure.

Just saying........
 
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Mark, I had the XE274H in my last 360 that was almost identical to yours, but with a 727 instead of the 4-speed. Same 3.55 rear. The cam before it was a MP 284/.484. The car liked the 274 better.

My current 360 is running the Comp retrofit roller XE286HR. Was going to go with the XE274HR but got greedy. Its a kick in the pants but I'd have a little more bottom end with the 274 and probably not give up much on the top end of the track. So fat it's best is 12.25 @ 111 MPH at Cecil and you can still cruise the turnpike with it.
 
Mopar’s first set of create engines.
360-380hp used the 284/.484 cam in a 9.0-1 stock 2.02/1-60 head which dyno’d more than the advertised HP.


It used a 750 carb and 1-3/4 headers.

And after all of AJ’s ramblings, he missed the mark no matter what calculator he used.
I agree on more gear than 3.55’s.
 
69 Dart, 73-360, 4 speed, 3.55’s, primarily street driven.

KB107’s 30 over, estimated comp 9.5 to 1 pending head gasket thickness on pump gas. Shootin for approx.. 400 hp.

Stock crank and rods.

Stock heads/valves, valve job, new guides and mild porting. Eddy Performer RPM intake.

Comp Cams Pro Magnum Roller Rockers/Arms/Shafts 1622-16, 1.5 ratio.

Need recommendations on cam selection.
I just completed a 340 build with a Comp Cam 20-811-9 roller
10.5:1 compression, X heads ported - made 442 HP @5600 rpm on the dyno.
Nice idle with 12 in of vacuum @ 800 rpm
 
69 Dart, 73-360, 4 speed, 3.55’s, primarily street driven.
KB107’s 30 over, estimated comp 9.5 to 1 pending head gasket thickness on pump gas. Shootin for approx.. 400 hp.
Stock crank and rods.
Stock heads/valves, valve job, new guides and mild porting. Eddy Performer RPM intake.
Comp Cams Pro Magnum Roller Rockers/Arms/Shafts 1622-16, 1.5 ratio.
Need recommendations on cam selection.

I agree, SOMEBODY missed the mark. I'm not the guy who recommended the 284 cam
In fact, I didn't recommend a cam at all.
I merely pointed out the issues,of his combo, should he chose to run a 284 in it.
You just can't run that cam with a 4 speed on the street with 3.55s.
Well you can but I doubt you'd be happy past the first week. At 9.5Scr it will be 318 soft up to about 2500/3000, and a pos under 1500/12mph
Been there done that, would never do it again.
You want to run that 284? Then;
Get you some aluminum heads, and run the pressure up to at least 185psi.
Put a "lazy" timing curve in it delayed to 32*@3400.tune it for 87E10. Run about 12 initial,
Then run 4.30s minimum with that 2.66box; or 3.73s with the 3.09box
Then you could drag her down to 4mph@700rpm, if she has enough torque, hah,and if she doesn't get all jumpy on you. The best cure for that is less timing, and more gear,lol. ....................... And don't floor it from down there.
BTW; that 185psi will be 11.3 Scr.
But I'll tell you a secret;
that 185psi will make so much power, you won't need that 284 cam.
In fact, you will be many times happier with a 268 cam and 185 psi. This will allow you to drop the Scr to 10.5 and still get 180 psi.
But If I did that, I'd tighten the LSA up to 102,EDIT; should read 104,and install it at 100, for an ICA of 54*,and that would allow me to drop the Scr to 10.3, and still have pressure over 180. Aand,what that would do, is make funtastic torque,like a 440Magnum of yesteryear, allowing the use of those 3.55s even with the 2.66box... Aaand the 118* of power-stroke extraction, means it can be tuned to get decent hiway mileage. Aaaand the 68* of overlap, means a nice little power bulge somewhere around 5000rpm with headers and a free-flowing exhaust. That's 35mph in 3.09low,40 in 2.66low, and 56 in 1.91 second, all with the 3.55s; And I'll tell you, the biggest tires you can fit in even mini-tubbed 69 Dart wells, will not ...not spin, all the way thru two gears, no matter how crappy the tune, to perhaps 70 plus mph.
Hey wait, that sounds an awful lot like my 367, which has been a DD since 1999, and has gone 93 in the 1/8 @3467 pounds. Unfortunately My cam only has 105* of power extraction, and no matter how hard I try, I can't make 30mpgUs out of that. However, I think I could with the 268/276/102(again should read 104) ....... with an overdrive. I mean it wouldn't be the first time I tickled 30s, point to point.
So tell me why I need a 284 cam again?
Oh I remember, iron X-heads.........
Boy I'd drop those in a heartbeat.
About the max pressure you can run with iron is 165,and with open-chamber heads, that's pushing it, and premium gas may not be around much longer. So perhaps 160 is a better max target. Now couple that with a late closing intake like the 66* of a 284, and there's nothing left for take off with a 266x3.55 starter gear, and still nothing by 20 mph, for normal sane driving. Been there done that, ain't going back. Around town, I was always deep into the throttle, and it sucked so much gas I could hardly afford to drive it.
 
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I know you might think those aluminum heads are pricey.
But do the math.
Iron X-heads,147 psi (at 9.5Scr),and the 284 burning premium gas; versus; aluminums,185psi,and the 268 cam burning skunk-piss. I bet you can break even in 10,000/12,000 miles, just in the fuel cost. In the mean time that 268 combo, with a manual trans, will be many times more fun as a DD, and will not be far behind in power production either.
Give the Wallace a workout; compare 169VP(the 268/102 at 10.3 or 182psi) to 124VP(the 284/108 at 9.5 or 147psi)
V/P Index Calculation
A factory teener makes about 114 on the VP scale. If you pump it up to 8.5Scr, she makes 123VP. You don't really want to be slipping the clutch out that bad to get moving, do you? Well, I didn't anyway.
 
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Here's a little something to push you into the aluminums;
At .030 over, your swept volume will be 748.3 cc.
Adding up all the ccs of the various parts and giving the 360 a new deck height of .011 down, the total volume comes to 75.8 with the .028 gasket ( getting you a Q of .039) and the math makes that be an Scr of 10.88.
Now plug that into the Wallace with an ICA of 56* ( that 268/276/104 cam). I get; 191psi@ 174VP. That is a smoking hot low-rpm performance. I tell you what,even the same cam with a 110 LSA will make 182@158VP, just about the same as an OEM,1969,440Magnum. So that's the kind of low-rpm performance you can expect. And that's even more VP than I run,(153), and some say my tires are still hazing in the 90s. I can't say if that's true or not, but the tach was sorta stuck on 7000 from just after I launched, until through the traps. I run a 276/286/110 @10.9Scr. Mr Wallace says my true 93mph- 1/8th, might be 115 in the qtr. And Mr Wallace also says, this takes 425hp to do.
So for Rumble, if My engine makes 425 hp revving to 7000,.........imagine what it's really making at a proper peak for this cam. I still don't care,lol.
BTW
I'm still not recommending a 268 cam.
 
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AJ, I don't know whether your theory of the awesomeness of a 102 LSA is correct or not, but I can't say I've ever seen an LSA that narrow. Especially in street type cams , which are generally 108-112.
 
Here's a little something to push you into the aluminums;
At .030 over, your swept volume will be 748.3 cc.
Adding up all the ccs of the various parts and giving the 360 a new deck height of .011 down, the total volume comes to 75.8 with the .028 gasket ( getting you a Q of .039) and the math makes that be an Scr of 10.88.
Now plug that into the Wallace with an ICA of 56* ( that 268/276/104 cam). I get; 191psi@ 174VP. That is a smoking hot low-rpm performance. I tell you what,even the same cam with a 110 LSA will make 182@158VP, just about the same as an OEM,1969,440Magnum. So that's the kind of low-rpm performance you can expect. And that's even more VP than I run,(153), and some say my tires are still hazing in the 90s. I can't say if that's true or not, but the tach was sorta stuck on 7000 from just after I launched, until through the traps. I run a 276/286/110 @10.9Scr. Mr Wallace says my true 93mph- 1/8th, might be 115 in the qtr. And Mr Wallace also says, this takes 425hp to do.
So for Rumble, if My engine makes 425 hp revving to 7000,.........imagine what it's really making at a proper peak for this cam. I still don't care,lol.
BTW
I'm still not recommending a 268 cam.
Hey! Thanks for high lighting my name! Otherwise would have missed it. Well, this is what I think of your high Regina escapades!
Use this and pay no attention to your gear ratio, you’ll be much happier with this cam;
Drag Race Solid Roller Cam - Chrysler 273-360 288/296 - Lunati Power
:rofl:
 
Mark, I had the XE274H in my last 360 that was almost identical to yours, but with a 727 instead of the 4-speed. Same 3.55 rear. The cam before it was a MP 284/.484. The car liked the 274 better.

My current 360 is running the Comp retrofit roller XE286HR. Was going to go with the XE274HR but got greedy. Its a kick in the pants but I'd have a little more bottom end with the 274 and probably not give up much on the top end of the track. So far it's best is 12.25 @ 111 MPH at Cecil and you can still cruise the turnpike with it.

Mark, not sure why somebody selected "disagree" with my post about what's actually in my car, but whatever. Since you know me and my car feel free to send me a PM or give me a call at my shop sometime. I'll be glad to let you know what the original 360 combo was and what I have in the car now so you can compare notes.
 
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