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The other day my dad and I were just chatting, the topic of my grandpa came up and the family farm.
My grandpa owned a grade "A" dairy until I was about 9 or so. The farm was located outside a little village called Ripley Oh. If you look for it on a map, it's on the Ohio River about 45 miles east of Cincinnati Oh. In fact, from where our farm was, you look south, you see past the river and into Kentucky. We were up on the hill pretty good.
I recalled getting into a ton of trouble with my grandpa because my brother and I had taken a couple of wooden barrels, rolled them to the side of the hill, climbed in and rolled down the hill. My brother and I probably did this till we were sick. My grandpa caught us and all hell broke loose. That truly was about the only time I remember him raising his voice to us. I asked why he got so bent out of shape over us playing.
My dad just grinned, he says to me, "you remember the strawberry patch grandpa had?" I did, it was huge. Picked a ton of strawberry's out of there, ate a bunch too. "Your grandpa, uncle's Wood and Todd (grandpa's brothers) used to run liquor out of an old machine shed there at the farm. They used the strawberry's for mash for shine. Keep in mind, prohibition had only ended 40 years or so earlier and not all of these whiskey brands were as popular as they are today. You're grandpa would also run corn liquor, age it in those barrels and sell it too." He asked me if I remembered all of the barrels being in the tobacco barn, I had seen them, but my grandma had all of us kids scared to death to go up in the loft, so my memory was vague. Dad said we probably busted up one of grandpa's good aged barrels and we probably dumped a couple gallons out to play with it. Dad said that my grandmothers family had been bootleggers prior to WWII and they ran "shine" from Mason Co. to Newport and Covington Ky when the illegal gambling was going on. Grandpa come home from WWII, bought the farm and had been distilling since. My grandmothers brothers were customers and well, it just went from there.
Dad told me he remembers as a boy people coming and buying "brown milk". Dad said grandpa used to bottle his whiskey in milk bottles. It made sense, he had the dairy too.
Dad said grandpa finally got sick of the dairy business, cattle and everything that came with it. The fact dad wasn't around as much either to help out was also a huge motivator, so grandpa sold out. Dad said that as far as he knew that was also the last grandpa made whiskey.
That conversation was neat as hell, because while I remembered very vividly alot of the things dad was telling me, I had no idea what was going on. I never really put it together until dad started talking about it, heck I was just a kid. Looking back, it all makes sense and it's really quite funny. I do remember my Uncle's Woody and Todd stumbling out of that machine shed singing and carrying on! :) Grandma just stand there looking mad as hell, but I can't say I ever remember grandpa coming in loaded, but you had to know Audrey :p.
Dad also told me that grandpa hired a couple guys to dig a well, that they had a pump down in the well to pump water out as they dug, grandpa went to check on the guys and they he found them dead. Managed to asphyxiate from the CO off the pump motor. Not as happy of a story, but interesting.
Things you learn if you sit down and just have a talk. Things I know I'll share with my boy!
 
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Great memories, I'm lucky enough to know the feeling of hearing stories from my Dad's childhood days too. It's important to talk as adults because as children there is so much we weren't told, and it didn't occur to us to ask.
 
How does it feel being a bridge to the past?
Living history is dieing every day.
Write it down for the family.
I'm glad oral and video is being made of the surviving WW2 vets.
 
Having a few drinks, around a fire, a table, wherever, and telling stories is the thing I enjoy the most. Seems that comes with the "old man" territory. I'll make it a point to tell stories that include the lost loved ones, especially a cousin Jack story which are some of the best. For me, It brings them to the group.
I aint no different from others, just ask your dad how much he enjoyed sharing that story with you. Or... just know he did and prompt it more often. Cheers
 
Great memories, I'm lucky enough to know the feeling of hearing stories from my Dad's childhood days too. It's important to talk as adults because as children there is so much we weren't told, and it didn't occur to us to ask.
So true, our elders, being parents or relatives are full of stories and knowledge. Sometimes it takes you asking to get it out of them. If not it dies with them. Dad is gone but I still learn stuff from mom. It helps understand where you came from.
 
really cool stuff!! great reading... until I got to the part about remembering your Uncles Woody... *ahem* - TMI!!!! :lol: WHAT!??? Seriously though, great story :thumbsup:
 
My family was on the other side of that liquor running story in Oklahoma.
Grandpa was a Sherriff in Okemah OK where my Dad was born, and chased guys like your Grandpa. :D
Most of my family was law enforcement until me, although I was MP on a training base while in service of the Gov I left that behind when I got out in 1976.
My Dad also retired from law enforcement after almost 30 years.
I have a CD of my Great Grandmother telling stories around the table when she was 96 that was recorded on a wire recorder that I transferred to CD probably close to 30 years ago.

It's interesting how some of the history taught in schools varies from real life stories from people who were there.
 
One of the interesting things I've heard about the old days was that my wife's grandfather worked delivering liquor for Al Capone. The story also involved my mother-in-law. Grampa wore a chauffuer's uniform, used some kind of big old 20s limo, piled cases of liquor in it, covered them with a tarp and had my mother-in-law and her cousin, who were all of about 9 years old, dressed in their Sunday best ride around with him while he made deliveries.

I wish I had listened better to my grandmother better back in the 60s when she spoke of her father being in the Civil War. I was probably 10 or 12 at the time. She was born in the 1880s so she certainly got to see a lot of big changes by the time she died in '76 at age 95. She was still mentally very sharp but her body was breaking down after a long, physically hard life.
 
really cool stuff!! great reading... until I got to the part about remembering your Uncles Woody... *ahem* - TMI!!!! :lol: WHAT!??? Seriously though, great story :thumbsup:
Hey now! Uncle Woody was a neat ol'guy! He often bragged that he was the 2nd best tobacco hanger in Mason Co. Ky. My grandpa being the best.
I learned from Dad that Woody and his wife Opal started hanging out at the farm alot around 1962. Their son had been killed in a car crash and I guess the need for family was strong. Dad said that there was always a bunch of kids around and as they grew they brought their kids. I do remember cousins always being around. Grandpa was the baby of 20, his mother had lived very near the farm until her passing so his brothers and sisters were always there.
There would also be cousins that were living in the city and only came out every once and awhile. That's when the big problems would come up.
I remember one of my 2nd cousins playing over by a small grain silo, we didn't know it at the time but he must have opened a door and soy beans spilled out onto the ground. Later my grandpa found several of the cattle gathered over by the silo, gorging themselves on the soy beans. I'm pretty sure we lost at least one Holstein to that incident and grandpa saying "Carl and G/D kids can stay in the city".
Many years later, when I was in my 20's grandpa had me take him to the nursing home that his brother Carl was at. Carl would have been nearly 100 at the time and he nearly dead. I also remember feeling bad for the old guy, no body came to check on him except grandpa. I learned Carl wasn't a very nice dude but grandpa would say family is family.
 
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My family was on the other side of that liquor running story in Oklahoma.
Grandpa was a Sherriff in Okemah OK where my Dad was born, and chased guys like your Grandpa. :D
Most of my family was law enforcement until me, although I was MP on a training base while in service of the Gov I left that behind when I got out in 1976.
My Dad also retired from law enforcement after almost 30 years.
I have a CD of my Great Grandmother telling stories around the table when she was 96 that was recorded on a wire recorder that I transferred to CD probably close to 30 years ago.

It's interesting how some of the history taught in schools varies from real life stories from people who were there.
Research Newport Kentucky and illegal gambling in that area. You'll soon learn about the attitude most people had about liquor and the distilling of it in this area. Police knew, just didn't care. The attitude was we don't have to enforce every law every time. Then there were the police who were on the take too. Just pay a road tax and be on your way. The way I understand it, it wasn't a problem unless you became a problem.
You're right, the way history is taught and the way it happened way to often gets watered down or biased. I have a friend who is a history teacher, he recently made a comment about the recent elections. He commented on how in world was he going to teach what happened. My reply was teach what happened not what you perceived what happened.
 
I've never seen Thunder Road but remember the song from my child hood.
Need to put that on the list.
Carbine William with Jimmy Stewart. He got locked up for killing a revenue agent.
 
Thanks for sharing. I would enjoy listening to my grandfather and my father share their stories.
 

Awesome story. It is easy to get wrapped up in the day to day and find it's too late.

I recently got to fly to KY to attend my Grandfather's funeral who led a very interesting life. While there I git to meet a lot of family and also got to see the house my father grew up in.

I got a chance to sit with my Grandmother and go through all of her very old photos and asks questions about each one. It was an incredible experience.

She died a month later.
 
My Dad was killed in an on the job accident when I was 14, my Mom passed 4 years later from Alcoholism( very weak person)..He fought under Patton in WWII and would seldom talk about it or maybe because of my age I just didn't listen. I do remember him showing me shrapnel that would surface and come out of his legs when he was in the bathtub. His dad died when I was 5 so I got no stories from him. My Grandparents on my Moms side were very private and never talked " In front of the children" I get bit's and pieces from some of my older Cousins who heard conversations with their parents and my Dad. Anybody that has the opportunity to visit with their elders should do so....I wish I could.
 
My Dad passed away 7 years ago at 89. He served in the South Pacific during WWII. Very seldom ever talked about the past, and almost never about the war.
 
Reading thru these is cool but emotional. Dads beem gone almost 3 years now. All my grampas are gone. I miss the male role models I had in my life. I have my stepdad amd he is a great role model I hope to live up to them with my kids amd grandbabies. I have my 94 year old gramma that I visit and love listening to her stories. All her belongings except enough to furnish her bachelor "suite" at the nursing home have been split up. She is.comfortable at peace and is "ready" She just wants to spend time wirh family. Gramma doesn't know but I record our conversations on my phone.
Her brother who I met once in San Diego was in the navy on an Apollo.recovery. mission. He showed me some cool black and white photos of the recovery.
Great stories here.
 
My grandpa died in 1981, less than 6 months after he retired! We all still miss him greatly as he was a very strong figure in all of our lives!! At my nieces wedding in October, my cousin gave my brother a cassette tape recorded at Christmas when we were just kids! On it is all the hustle and bustle of Christmas at my grandparents house, including my grandfathers voice, which I haven't heard since 1981. I was the last person in our family to see him alive, and although I haven't heard the tape yet, I'm sure it's going to bring back a flood of memories!! I did get to hug him and tell him I loved him less than an hour before he passed, and feel lucky to be able to do that!!

My grandmothers passing was also unique! It was St. Patrick's night 1998, and she had come to our gig with my parents! She was singing and having a great time! I hugged her when she left about 12:30, and at 7:00 am got a call from my mom that her aneurism had exploded and if I wanted to see her before she died I had better get up to the hospital! I contemplated going, but decided that I really wanted my lasting memory of her was her singing and carrying on in her usual fashion, not on deaths doorstep in the hospital! I do not regret that decision!!
 
My Dad was killed in an on the job accident when I was 14, my Mom passed 4 years later from Alcoholism( very weak person)..He fought under Patton in WWII and would seldom talk about it or maybe because of my age I just didn't listen. I do remember him showing me shrapnel that would surface and come out of his legs when he was in the bathtub. His dad died when I was 5 so I got no stories from him. My Grandparents on my Moms side were very private and never talked " In front of the children" I get bit's and pieces from some of my older Cousins who heard conversations with their parents and my Dad. Anybody that has the opportunity to visit with their elders should do so....I wish I could.
There was something about that generation, my grandpa also fought with Patton. We had to learn that after he had passed away. He was later assigned to a graves registration duty. Looking back, he had all the tell tail signs of PTSD but somehow just dealt with it. I'm not sure how he dealt with so much death and then came home and dealt with PTSD the way he did. He was just a strong man.
 
There was something about that generation, my grandpa also fought with Patton. We had to learn that after he had passed away. He was later assigned to a graves registration duty. Looking back, he had all the tell tail signs of PTSD but somehow just dealt with it. I'm not sure how he dealt with so much death and then came home and dealt with PTSD the way he did. He was just a strong man.

10-4 on the PTSD thing...My Dad had just spent 3 weeks in the VA Hospital 6 months before he died suffering from a "Nervous Breakdown"..He was only 38.
 
There was something about that generation, my grandpa also fought with Patton. We had to learn that after he had passed away. He was later assigned to a graves registration duty. Looking back, he had all the tell tail signs of PTSD but somehow just dealt with it. I'm not sure how he dealt with so much death and then came home and dealt with PTSD the way he did. He was just a strong man.

There was a reason Tim Russert called them "The Greatest Generation". They grew up in the depression, went to fight that war, came home and proceeded to rebuild this country we have.
 
So many memories come back after reading these posts. Recently my sons and I were driving in High Point, NC where I was born. We were on Green St which is a 4 lane road. My dad had told me it was a dirt road when he was a kid. My grandfather who passed away in 1969 once told me that when an automobile was coming to town, they would take the horse and buggy and go to town to see the car come to town.
I know technology wise, things are changing so quickly, but can you imagine seeing the first car, the first airplane, the first radio, telephone, television, have indoor bathroom, living through the depression, hearing that the war was over, seeing the soldiers come home and being proud of not only them, but of our country. Not ever locking a door, knowing and caring about your neighbors, spending Sunday morning at church and coming home to have time for family to come and visit.
I really do miss those days and my parents and grandparents who are all gone. Now I have an uncle who is 73 and at 64 I am the second oldest left in my family. Where has time gone. Memories are awesome
 
You know this is great stuff.
It's fun to listen to old stories from older folks. More young people should sit down and talk with their parents, grandparent and other elderly family members about their memories it's their family history.

I wish I had written things down over the years that had been told to me.
Even for us we should keep a diary of some sort of things while they are still fresh in our memories.

Thanks guys this has brought back memories of times I talked with my parents and older family members.

I give this whole thread a big thumbs up!:thumbsup:
 
After my Dad passed, my Mom came to visit for a week. We took I don't know how many hours and I got her talking about how they met, (USO as Dad was heading to the Pacific theater) and everything she could remember about grandma and grandpa, who met in Arkansas and moved to Texas. Must have filled 3 legal pads. Found out she has a 1/2 brother somewhere in Lima, Tx. Now she's gone too, and so would all those family histories. My 3 sons now have the chance to learn where they came from and what things were like over the last 100 years.
 
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