My main point is what you know is more valuable then how you know (if it is right), I'm not saying book learning or hands on or etcetera is more valuable than the other they all leave holes/gaps if only focus on one.
David Vizard / Uncle Tony...Small block Infos ?
- Thread starter ValerianMagnum
- Start date
-
You mean use a formula, gross and forget about dyno's they can't tell hp.
What I'm saying is MOST dyno engine #'s fall quite short in performance at the track.
Today's 500hp is yesterday's 400. lol
you been in country too long rafter man. you've got the 1000 yard stare.Hystrics is that you ?
Make a point or don't lol
it's because you post dyno results as irrefutable evidence. i'll say it again, as i've said it a million times before, because you clearly either don't understand or worse, you do understand but refuse to acknowledge it: a dyno is a tool.
a tool is only as good as its operator.
there have been COUNTLESS instances of anecdotal experiences (dyno room) that have been flatly disproven and backed up by empirical data (from the track).
yet, when you post you speak in absolutes. x+y+z= 400hp or you need a dash of salt to that if you have fewer cubes or you need to have blah blah blah stall, or gear or a pretty girl riding shotgun shifting gears if you want [blank] outcome. yet... all of that is predicated on no practical knowledge. but you lay it down as if King Richard Hisself decended from the mountains and delivered unto you secret tomes of knowlege.
is the information valuble, oh absolutely; but it also isn't the be all, end all. and everybody would be better off if it wasn't presented in that way.
11.6ish
yep and at about a buck fifteenhow do you know if it's right if there's no practical application of it then?
Yes but that's based on a formula that some guy made in the 60's by guesstimating a cars hp, and road and track used their data to "Improve" upon it and some others have done similar. But if we can't trust dynos how can we verify it ? especially when using "A Formula" as evidence why dyno's suck in the 1st place, makes no sense to me.
That formula is very close to actual results, if you crunched the #'s abodyguy was running with his factory 340 dart it is spot on.
You know this because he and I had some friendly banter between us on the 340 vs 383, you were part of that thread. lol
So? Do you have fun with it? That's all that counts. I wish a lot of you fellers were more local. I'd love to help some of yall with your stuff. We could sit around playin checkers and drinkin some beer after.
I agree with that. It takes a good balance of each to be well rounded. But more often than not in my experience, in the real world, I see more that goes against the grain of book theory than goes with it.
ir3333
Well-Known Member
I'm not a "racer" and have never dyno tested any of my builds. I only know how they performed when i drove them. The gentleman i sold my last car took it to the track once...last year. Can you guys with dyno / racing experience give an accurate HP / Torque total based on accurate build specs? A yes or no works or PM me!
Last edited:
Yea I need to get over and meet up with Newbombturkey and Moparmaga someday, they only live about 150 miles or so from me in Central Washington.
I will get over there when Cory debuts the dart at Renegade.
Puttin it in the car and driving it is the best dyno you can have. Because if you're happy with how it runs, all the dyno pulls in the world are worthless.
I've yet to see people agree what a factory 340 makes though, but fair enough lol
What I hear when someone's says they learned it all practical is they're basically grew up like Tarzan on Mopar Island and came up with 100% of they're car knowledge by themselves, instead of the million sources of information available to us (even outside of car knowledge) and copied what someone else did before them maybe with a little twist.
100% and or do some jamming, see a few of your video's
now you're putting words in my mouth. i didn't say that. i read books, and not just for the pictures either.
however, it's well established that i was born dick first with wrench in hand and a snap-on double stack attached to my umbilical cord.
i am insisting though, that you can have all the calculations and the charts and the graphs, but there has to be a practical application of that knowledge otherwise it's just argle-bargle.
you can read that penthouse magazine all you want chachi, but you don't know what the fishing is like till you been to beaver creek.
Yup. That would be cool.100% and or do some jamming, see a few of your video's
There's nothing out there that hasn't been done before, the only thing new are the part designs.
I get a kick out of Newbomb Turkey when he say's it ain't 1980. So he's got some fancy burrs now. lol Still used in the same manor.
Gobble, Gobble, Gobble. lol
340six
King Of Bling
Yes, they made Steve the Odd Man Out. His Turbo Slant was a good episode. He even said he could not get the head gasket he needed but tge show must go on.
The exhaust episode where they tested small pipes with duels. And a single 3 inch. The 3 inch was great if you had use for it like truck exhaust. The mandrel bent vs crush pipe. And bash a headers to fit was also great
Since most A bodies never ran faster than 100 mph (there may have been 1 or 2 test were they barely breached 100) using the heater cars the test groups got, you can do the math. Most were 98 or slower, 94-98 IIRC.
Takes about 230-260 at the rear wheels to go 94-100 mph. Apply whatever you want to get a gross number.
A friends fairly stock outfitted 71 demon crossed the scales LV around 3250 IIRC. Headers, alum intake, no spare/jack, minimal fuel... That car with a dyno 350hp 360 and a rich tune up ran around 108mph. 108 is around 300-305ish at the wheels, IIRC You see any "Stock" no modifications at all 340's running near that mph in any test back then. NOPE, not one. Start tweaking them and you start getting gains.
Last edited:
I think that's because no one really knows. Every single time you see "stock 340 on the dyno" it ends up with headers, aluminum intake, more carburetor and on and on. I've never seen the FIRST stone stock 340 dyno pull. Not one.
-
Similar threads
- Locked
