Designs for a driveway extension to park one more car?

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timk225

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When I built my driveway in 2019 my wife and I only had one car each, and the thought of getting a 1973 Duster like I used to have back in '93-'95 didn't even come to me for another 5 years.

But now I have it, and my wife very unreasonably doesn't want me to park it in the front yard where everyone can see it. And these days, for security purposes, that's probably a good idea.

So that leaves the small back / side yard to do it in. And to begin, the yard ground level is 16-20 inches below the road surface. When I built our 21 by 18 driveway, it was only meant for plenty of room for 2 cars. I got 13 used railroad ties, cut one in half, and made a 2 railroad tie high wall around the perimeter, and filled it with 29 tons of 2b and 3b limestone. I nailed the ties together with foot long big nails, and nailed chains into the corners so they couldn't spread apart.

I could railroad tie wall and fill in with limestone on the upper side, that would be the simplest way. But because of a telephone pole and its ground support cable, I couldn't back the Duster straight into it. I'd have to move the wife's car, put mine in or drive mine out, and put her car back. That will get old real fast.

Extending the driveway further into the yard, and parking one car behind the other is also not viable for a few reasons.

The only thing I can really do is add to the driveway on the lower side. Take out an 8 foot piece of fence, and it is done.

But the only problem is the yard is 16-20 inches below the road surface. A short steep ramp won't work well. And I don't want to put another 15 tons or so of weight from limestone so close to the house, it could push on the house walls and make more problems.

I was thinking of an elevated wood platform. Lots of pressure treated 2 by 12s on top of a wood frame, maybe some treated 6 by 6's on concrete pavers, laid down longitudinally to the direction of car travel, then another layer of 6 by 6's, or 2 by 8's to make more height, laid down across the width of the parking space, then finally some 2 by 12s laid down longitudinally as the driving surface.

This made sense when I was thinking about it, but typing it out, it just gets more and more expensive, and is making a rental $80 per month storage space sound better.

Ideas to get a parking space 20 inches off the ground? I presume it'll settle and sink down a little, I'm allowing for that.
 
Box it in...fill it with sand...tamp it...top coat the sand. This would be cheaper and would last. We have a 2 car but room to the right of the drive to add. Unfortunately we have 9 cars and a truck so they are everywhere.
 
Here's 2 photos of the lower possible location for the new parking spot. Notice the height difference from the grass to the road. That's what is making this complicated and more expensive.

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Here's the upper location. I could remove 3 feet of that fence to make it easier to get in and out.

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I would "ditch" the whole fence as it appears your neighbor has one back-to-back to yours. Move the railroad ties over to where the fence is currently. Use a cheaper fill but the same topping as what you already used. It would solve your problem, knock out the fence maintenance, painting and repair. It would make that space appear larger as well.
 
The more I think about it, doing it on the upper side is probably the better way to go. The space between the fences is kind of a no mans' land area. A lot of rocks and chunks of broken concrete in there. It is technically mine, as it is on my side of the neighbors fence. I don't know why the previous people here built that second fence, unless they wanted that mystery area for some reason.

Our driveway is just a big pile of limestone a foot and a half deep, more or less. Before I had the limestone hauled in, I laid down a lot of cement paver square pieces, bricks, chunks of concrete, etc, under where the wheels of my car would sit, to spread the load out and minimize it sinking down. All pieces left over from the previous people.

For filling in the upper area, I wonder what is best to use. A lot more limestone, or fill with dirt and a couple inches of limestone on top, something else, etc. I worry about using dirt, as it would become a huge mud hole with enough rain. I have to re-rake my limestone driveway every now and then, tire grooves get worn into it, but it does not change in the rain.
 

Here's the upper location. I could remove 3 feet of that fence to make it easier to get in and out.

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Am I looking at this wrong? Is the ground between the Rail Road ties that's grass to the right up to the gray fence not yours' listed as your property on the land survey?
Put in a cement retaining wall with fence post in it. Then fill it to grade and park on it. Could even put a sliding gate where the fence is on frontage to still have privacy
 
I would at least put up a car port to protect my cars. I wouldn't want to have a nice classic only to see it get hit by a hail storm and other weather problems
 
You are leaving yourself open for attack here Dan. Tread carefully or the torrential downpour may start and whisk you away to the land of...
True, I actually was only trying to make a suggestion and sometimes it doesn't come out right. I didn't mean any disrespect to the OP what so ever, if I offended him I apologize
 
Am I looking at this wrong? Is the ground between the Rail Road ties that's grass to the right up to the gray fence not yours' listed as your property on the land survey?
Put in a cement retaining wall with fence post in it. Then fill it to grade and park on it. Could even put a sliding gate where the fence is on frontage to still have privacy

The grass between the railroad ties and the gray fence is all mine. And the 4 feet behind the gray fence to the second fence is mine as well.

Paving and compaction sand might be good for some uses, but 12 to 16 inches of it? It won't be soft and move around?
 
The grass between the railroad ties and the gray fence is all mine. And the 4 feet behind the gray fence to the second fence is mine as well.

Paving and compaction sand might be good for some uses, but 12 to 16 inches of it? It won't be soft and move around?
not if you move the railroad ties over to the fence and contain it. You aren't doing anything here a home builder, paving company or even a landscaper would do. When you move the ties and tie it all together you have built the containment area. I would probably tamp it with a hopping tamper from a rental place every 2 to 4 inches thick before adding more sand to get to your desired depth. Then top it with your chips.
 
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It looks to me like the lower side would be a more straight shot backing in. You have an anchor and guy wires from a utility pole on the upper end. Those more than likely can't be moved or disconnected, and they might be in your way backing in there. They are pretty tough and will wreak havoc on a fender!
 
Just put in a lift

Park the daily under it and the non daily on it
 
A person's wife should always have access to garage parking [if any garage is available]. Nice/vintage cars should be parked indoors. Really nice cars should be climate controlled.
Neighbors shouldn't have to view junk/scrap in a reasonably nice neighborhood.
 
I've been working on the driveway plan. I think building it on the upper side is the better idea. Among other things, it will have less issues with water drainage.

But the price of materials was a problem. A couple 8-1/2 foot 225 pound 7 by 9 railroad ties wasn't a big expense, although getting them here might be an issue. But the bigger problem was cost of the fill. I was estimating 12 tons of limestone, maybe 8 tons of 3B as the base and 4 tons of 2B as the top. But that was $44 a ton. I called a few places and was getting prices of $620 to $660 for 12 tons delivered. I need to cheapen it up a lot.

Then of course, my handyman will want money for raking it all out. Another $100-$200 there.

I thought of a place in the area that crushes used concrete to various sizes. From them I can get 12 tons of 2A delivered for $317. They just have to bring it in a triaxle truck. Might be tricky to get it backed into place to dump the load, but it'll work.

I'm wondering how well or easy it'll be to get sharp edged concrete to settle and compact. Didn't want to rent a compactor, as that is more money. And then maybe put a ton or so of gravel chips or sand on top to fill it in more and get it settled.
 
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