Diesel Trucks

[1969383S]

My 89 has pulled, no bull shots 22.5 ton WW2 armored tank. No problems. Did break the trailer though

This is kinda what I have been saying! Why would someone purchase these beasts with “fuel mileage as a concern”! We buy these to haul heavy loads and cheaper than a Peterbuilt or Kenworth. These trucks have been pushed farther than they ever needed to be. It is, nice to buy a truck that does not require a CDL that performs and hauls my needs.

If the fun would have stopped with the first gens the mpg would still be there. That said screw the MPG and give me the hauling power at whatever maintenance cost. Guy picked up (2) 3500 fords with big box asses on his Cummins powered Dodge from our shop a couple weeks ago. He also had a smaller car on his trailer.

 

[1969383S]

There are lots in the same boat. IMO if I was a lawmaker, new law requiring warranty to last as long as payments. A freakinn men!!! They cant even make a product to last as long as it takes to pay for the damn thing? Something wrong here I'm thinking.

If you or anyone can not afford one and pay it off quickly then why buy one. I disagree as there seems to be a lot of folks that buy over their head! We do not need any new Government laws that guarantee individual stupidity in their purchases.

Stop for minute and think about what you posted.

 

[Mopar Tim]

If you or anyone can not afford one and pay it off quickly then why buy one. I disagree as there seems to be a lot of folks that buy over their head! We do not need any new Government laws that guarantee individual stupidity in their purchases.

Stop for minute and think about what you posted.

Did you see what I posted next?

One way to look at it. Another way is maybe they should make better stuff? HMMMM

 

[1969383S]

Did you see what I posted next?

I did, but your post I quoted seems like it removes any individual buyer from thinking for themselves.

The market has driven the 3 big ones to this point for more power in a relatively small package. The over regulated Government has decided we need to save something they have no control over as seeming every other country in the world blames you and me. Individuals still need to be responsible for their desires. The manufacturers know what their product is being over used for and do not blame them for hedging the warranties to a realistic measure based on the facts!

 

[Mopar Tim]

I did, but your post I quoted seems like it removes any individual buyer from thinking for themselves.

The market has driven the 3 big ones to this point for more power in a relatively small package. The over regulated Government has decided we need to save something they have no control over as seeming every other country in the world blames you and me. Individuals still need to be responsible for their desires. The manufacturers know what their product is being over used for and do not blame them for hedging the warranties to a realistic measure based on the facts!

This I agree with! Over/under engineered!

 

[dukeboy440]

Did you see what I posted next?

I did, but your post I quoted seems like it removes any individual buyer from thinking for themselves.

The market has driven the 3 big ones to this point for more power in a relatively small package. The over regulated Government has decided we need to save something they have no control over as seeming every other country in the world blames you and me. Individuals still need to be responsible for their desires. The manufacturers know what their product is being over used for and do not blame them for hedging the warranties to a realistic measure based on the facts!

Here’s the thing, ***most*** vehicles today on the road are designed to last between 5-7 years and 100-200 thousand miles before major maintenance. Some are designed to go much farther in both years and mileage. The problem I see happen alot(my sister in law for example) some banks are now offering loans up to 96 months. 8 year auto loans. Combine that with these trucks now costing more than a new Corvette(model and option depending) and you have people locked into 800-1000+ dollar a month payments. Auto loans are out of control similar to how the housing market was prior to 2008.

Here’s the thing, new vehicles especially, are made of far inferior and cheaper components than even 5-6 years ago. So maintenance schedules are very important. That 89 of mine, ordered new as a ram 350 chassis cab in the winter of 88. the drive train has never had a single repair. Only regular maintenance such brakes, oil, suspension components here or there. Replaced the clutch 1 time. A new belt every few years, filters etc. that thing has not lived an easy life here in the farm. Ripped off two beds, towed tractors and tanks weighing 7-8 times what the truck does. Still purrs like the day it was new.

 

[1969383S]

Here’s the thing, ***most*** vehicles today on the road are designed to last between 5-7 years and 100-200 thousand miles before major maintenance. Some are designed to go much farther in both years and mileage. The problem I see happen alot(my sister in law for example) some banks are now offering loans up to 96 months. 8 year auto loans. Combine that with these trucks now costing more than a new Corvette(model and option depending) and you have people locked into 800-1000+ dollar a month payments. Auto loans are out of control similar to how the housing market was prior to 2008.

Here’s the thing, new vehicles especially, are made of far inferior and cheaper components than even 5-6 years ago. So maintenance schedules are very important. That 89 of mine, ordered new as a ram 350 chassis cab in the winter of 88. the drive train has never had a single repair. Only regular maintenance such brakes, oil, suspension components here or there. Replaced the clutch 1 time. A new belt every few years, filters etc. that thing has not lived an easy life here in the farm. Ripped off two beds, towed tractors and tanks weighing 7-8 times what the truck does. Still purrs like the day it was new.

Not our bad *** trucks that haul more by many, than ever designed for. They know it! Our company issued fusions with 10k service intervals I agree. Cannot be compared though! Kinda like B and C series Cummins yes!

 

[1969383S]

This I agree with! Over/under engineered!

So are you still advocating that the Government needs to confirm and back up our decision and force the manufacturer to cover a vehicle that may be over /under engineered for our payment schedule or desire?

 

[dukeboy440]

So are you still advocating that the Government needs to confirm and back up our decision and force the manufacturer to cover a vehicle that may be over /under engineered for our payment schedule or desire?

 

[1969383S]

No popcorn just a question that went unanswered!

 

[Mopar Tim]

So are you still advocating that the Government needs to confirm and back up our decision and force the manufacturer to cover a vehicle that may be over /under engineered for our payment schedule or desire?

Nah, it was just a thought.... I was thinking cars as well....

 

[Ddaddy]

Here’s the thing, ***most*** vehicles today on the road are designed to last between 5-7 years and 100-200 thousand miles before major maintenance. Some are designed to go much farther in both years and mileage. The problem I see happen alot(my sister in law for example) some banks are now offering loans up to 96 months. 8 year auto loans. Combine that with these trucks now costing more than a new Corvette(model and option depending) and you have people locked into 800-1000+ dollar a month payments. Auto loans are out of control similar to how the housing market was prior to 2008.
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Maybe, but people who sign up for long term loans generally don’t keep their vehicles for the life of the loan and do it to keep the monthly payment down. Then they trade for another and do the same. It really isn’t different than choosing a 30 year home loan to lower payments when the average homeowner only stays in the home for only 5-7 years. Why pay the higher price of a 15 year home loan when you won’t be there when it’s paid off?

Also, you are incorrect on the vehicle life. Chrysler vehicles are currently designed with a 15 year 300k servive life. I know, I have spoken with the engineers. In fact they put it in writing on a live public chat on the Charger forum.

 

[oldkimmer]

I think the car companies should cover the length of the loan. If they will give u 8 years to pay it off then they should cover it for that long. What I’m saying is that they give u a loan at 0% thru their banks that they should warranty that long. Not if u get a loan from another bank, but then that would be like discrimination, that their penalizing for not getting a loan thru them. Kim

 

[1969383S]

I think the car companies should cover the length of the loan. If they will give u 8 years to pay it off then they should cover it for that long. What I’m saying is that they give u a loan at 0% thru their banks that they should warranty that long. Not if u get a loan from another bank, but then that would be like discrimination, that their penalizing for not getting a loan thru them. Kim

Anyone with an 8 year loan should not be purchasing it. Live within your means and blame no one! There are lots of used vehicles available.

 

[Ddaddy]

Anyone with an 8 year loan should not be purchasing it. Live within your means and blame no one! There are lots of used vehicles available.

Yes, but at twice the interest rate making the payments close to the same. Why buy used for the same price per month as new?

 

[1969383S]

Yes, but at twice the interest rate making the payments close to the same. Why buy used for the same price per month as new?

On 6 or 8 year loan? That’s just dumb IMO. It’s a consumable and not a house.

Not like our classics that will outlive time. Hopefully!

 

[oldkimmer]

Yes, there is lots of good used out there. But herin lies the problem. Interest rates r way higher to buy a used vehical, anywhere from 1.99 to 5.99 and higher and that used vehicle can/will end up costing u more in the long run. Of course not if u buy 10 years or older. Kim

 

[1969383S]

If I can not buy it and pay in 3-4 years it is over my budget and will do without or lower my expectations. Speaking of vehicles that is.

 

[oldkimmer]

Ha ha, I hear ya. Kim

 

[diymirage]

i remember a time when i bought cars on loans...never did like it
now, i wont buy a car (or truck) unless i can pay for it cash

as it stands, my newest vehicle is a 2013, because thats what my budget allows

 

[1969383S]

Last word from me for some previous posts, when your hauling your rig on a 4x4 Cummins 6.7 Ram at 80+ MPH make sure your trailer tires are rated for a least 75! Lost 3 1/2 on one trip and ran out of spares. Just limped in with luck! I carry 2 spares and had to put 1 bad one back on. Lots of wire when arrived home.

 

[Matts440]

Yes, but at twice the interest rate making the payments close to the same. Why buy used for the same price per month as new?

I agree plus when buying a used diesel you never know exactly how it was treated by the previous person or persons, and could cost you more in the long run, luckily bot my dad and one brother bought their 06 rams cummins used and nothing major has gone wrong, but you just never know.

 

[A408Cuda]

Last word from me for some previous posts, when your hauling your rig on a 4x4 Cummins 6.7 Ram at 80+ MPH make sure your trailer tires are rated for a least 75! Lost 3 1/2 on one trip and ran out of spares. Just limped in with luck! I carry 2 spares and had to put 1 bad one back on. Lots of wire when arrived home.

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Good year endurance 87 mph rated
, ask me how I know.

 

[Krooser]

My favorite was a 3406E Cat with a 15 over and 3.36 rears. Geared of 99.6 mph at 2100 rpms.

 

[Slowswinger]

If you or anyone can not afford one and pay it off quickly then why buy one. I disagree as there seems to be a lot of folks that buy over their head! We do not need any new Government laws that guarantee individual stupidity in their purchases.

Stop for minute and think about what you posted.

While I disagree with the extended loans I also disagree with the consumer being forced to be the test guine pig for all this emisions equipment crap. Let the manufactures perfect it on their dime not on the consumers dime after the warranty has expired but not the payments.