Diesel Trucks

[Pascamp]

I know of guys with trucks, that they are still paying for, OOS for huge engine repair bills. Shameful . But some asked for trouble with tuners. Grenaded them.

The guy up the road from me is in that boat. No tuner though. His Cummins came home on a flatbed around Christmas time. Still sitting there, and him and his wife are sharing the Ford explorer now. They have 2 daughters in college, so probably tapped out and can't afford the second mortgage to fix the queen Mary.

 

[Mopar Tim]

The guy up the road from me is in that boat. No tuner though. His Cummins came home on a flatbed around Christmas time. Still sitting there, and him and his wife are sharing the Ford explorer now. They have 2 daughters in college, so probably tapped out and can't afford the second mortgage to fix the queen Mary.

There are lots in the same boat. IMO if I was a lawmaker, new law requiring warranty to last as long as payments. A freakinn men!!! They cant even make a product to last as long as it takes to pay for the damn thing? Something wrong here I'm thinking.

 

[A408Cuda]

I don't think anybody was arguing that diesels are cheaper, they are more expensive to buy and to fix agreed. The argument began because some people believe that diesels are pointless. They are not if you need one you need one if you don't, that does mean nobody else needs one. I for one don't believe they are as bad as some people make them out to be, I have had no where near the problems that some claim to have with every diesel. Some people claim muscle cars are pointless also, if your going to have such a narrow minded view that only the **** you like is good then why bother with any of it?

 

[Pascamp]

There are lots in the same boat. IMO if I was a lawmaker, new law requiring warranty to last as long as payments. A freakinn men!!!

I'm glad you're in this thread. As a man who has spun wrenches, and doesn't play sides. Just tells it how it is.

 

[A408Cuda]

There are lots in the same boat. IMO if I was a lawmaker, new law requiring warranty to last as long as payments. A freakinn men!!! they cant even make a product to last as long as it takes to pay for the damn thing? Something wrong here I'm thinking.

Almost every new diesel comes with a 100,000 mile drive train warranty. that covers the engine.

 

[Pascamp]

Almost every new diesel comes with a 100,000 mile drive train warranty. that covers the engine.

A lawnmower can do 100,000 nowadays. I don't even consider things broken in until 250k. My lowest mileage truck right now had 250k+. Trucks aren't built like cars. With scheduled maintenance, I don't even blink at 300+.

 

[A408Cuda]

You like google so much, try searching how many miles on your diesel, there are endless post 500,000, 600,000 and on and on with mileage on some of these trucks, very tough to get that from a gas vehicle. There are two side to every story, for all the bad some of you experience there is another that has had nothing but good. I can search bad stories all day long on gas trucks too. Doesn't mean I hate gas.

 

[Mopar Tim]

Almost every new diesel comes with a 100,000 mile drive train warranty. that covers the engine.

Not Ford. 60K miles power train.
Super Duty Pickup:
Bumper to Bumper: 3 years / 36,000 miles
Powertrain: 5 years / 60,000 miles
Safety Restraint System: 5 years / 60,000 miles
Corrosion (Perforation only): 5 years / Unlimited miles
Roadside Assistance Program: 5 years / 60,000 miles

 

[A408Cuda]

Not Ford. 60K miles power train.

Bought mine in 2011 100,000 mile bumper to bumper, maybe it was just the deal i got at the time but only used it once for the back up sensor's, the went out at around 50k. O and I believe it went in for a cam sensor recall and a turbo oil hose, cant remember anything else, other than oil changes and the like.

 

[Mopar Tim]

Not Ford. 60K miles power train.
Super Duty Pickup:
Bumper to Bumper: 3 years / 36,000 miles
Powertrain: 5 years / 60,000 miles
Safety Restraint System: 5 years / 60,000 miles
Corrosion (Perforation only): 5 years / Unlimited miles
Roadside Assistance Program: 5 years / 60,000 miles

Have to buy the extended warranty. IMO.

 

[j par]

I don't think anybody was arguing that diesels are cheaper, they are more expensive to buy and to fix agreed. The argument began because some people believe that diesels are pointless. They are not if you need one you need one if you don't, that does mean nobody else needs one. I for one don't believe they are as bad as some people make them out to be, I have had no where near the problems that some claim to have with every diesel. Some people claim muscle cars are pointless also, if your going to have such a narrow minded view that only the **** you like is good then why bother with any of it?

See I 100% agree that if I had an excavating company or something and needed to pull some heavy equipment around that in the end would pay for the maintenance and problems I would have with a diesel that's where it is needed. And of course that's just one example. But if it can't pay for itself and using it to do little jobs and camping and stuff like that it's not in my opinion the way to go..

 

[diymirage]

There are lots in the same boat. IMO if I was a lawmaker, new law requiring warranty to last as long as payments. A freakinn men!!! They cant even make a product to last as long as it takes to pay for the damn thing? Something wrong here I'm thinking.

yeah, whats wrong is people buying stuff they can not afford and then crying to everyone else to bail them out

 

[j par]

I think the muscle car analogy has to go though it has no part of this conversation..

 

[Mopar Tim]

yeah, whats wrong is people buying stuff they can not afford and then crying to everyone else to bail them out

One way to look at it. Another way is maybe they should make better stuff? HMMMM

 

[A408Cuda]

See I 100% agree that if I had an excavating company or something and needed to pull some heavy equipment around that in the end would pay for the maintenance and problems I would have with a diesel that's where it is needed. And of course that's just one example. But if it can't pay for itself and using it to do little jobs and camping and stuff like that it's not in my opinion the way to go..

That's is a perfectly legitimate point of view that i 100% agree with.

 

[Mopar Tim]

My brother owns his own business, with about 12 trucks, 3500, 4500,5500, all Rams. One year he bought gas engines, had a lifetime engine warranty on them. In two years, he upgrades about every two years, no more gas. They were just not up to the kind of use he needs. HEAVY pickup loads. Some 30K. He has one, a pull trailer, 27K weight! Bumper pull.

 

[diymirage]

One way to look at it. Another way is maybe they should make better stuff? HMMMM

also true, but consider this, buy an older truck and we might both get our way
(affordable and dependable)

 

[nm9stheham]

Have you ever had to replace a head gasket on a diesel??? I don't know a shop anywhere that would touch any of them for under $4k. Many shops won't even do it for logistic reasons. Different year/brand/models require more or less. Almost all trucks will need to be stripped from the firewall forward, and some need the cab removed. Anybody who is going to go that far isn't just going to slap it back together, and guarantee their work. It always includes AT LEAST a trip to the machine shop for head resurfacing. Now you've tied up 2-3 service bays and a gantry for at least a week.

Sorry but you said head gasket with no other qualifiers, not head re-surfacing, studs etc., in a case where the engine was overheated, over-stressed and the head gasket blowing was the fatal final symptom.

Tie up 2-3 bays, pull cab, and a gantry for a week for what size truck? Are you speaking of a big rig? Why would that happen for a diesel pickup? Be a bit clearer so we can know what you are actually talking about, rather than just generalizing from the big rig world (which is my best guess of where that comes from) and then applying it to every case. And oh yes, machine work and shop rates are a lot lower here than PA.

How about posting some of your repair invoices? Or provide links. You made the claim of $4k-10k so IMHO it is up to you to back it up if questioned. Worst case I can find for 6.7's in pickups is $2500-3000, and it goes down from there, for a fully shop done job. A lot less for us mechanically-capable types.

With 10 trucks, do you have a mechanic and shop?

EDIT to add: OK I see your post above explaining all of this. What vehicle was this?

 

[nm9stheham]

The ONLY thing wrong with new Diesels are the price and the smog crap. And the smog stuff is what drives up the cost.

Hey MT, when you say < 200k miles, in your opinion is this due to the smog junk failing or the engine failing? And is this a complete failure, or just something that will cost multi-thousands of $$ or ?? Just curious about your view.

As for the $37k to $52k jump from my '07 to my '16 SLT 4x4 Mega Cabs, I roughly estimate (guess? LOL) the cost increase is about:

• $2-3k inflation
• maybe $5-7k for improvements like the 6 speed trannie and better suspension, and options over what I had in the '07
• and $6-8k for the emission stuff AND the new fangled electronics comm bus design that connects everything

 

[A408Cuda]

I think the muscle car analogy has to go though it has no part of this conversation..

My muscle car analogy was meant to get people to take a step back and think that it could be more personnel preference at work here then fact. Remember my original post was put the because someone posted that Deisels are only for rich guys that want to show off or teenage kids that want to blow black smoke.
If I eat bad sushi, and my neighbor eats bad sushi so we come to a agreement that all sushi must be bad.. well that's opinion not fact. That's whats happening here.

 

[dukeboy440]

Have you ever had to replace a head gasket on a diesel??? I don't know a shop anywhere that would touch any of them for under $4k. Many shops won't even do it for logistic reasons. Different year/brand/models require more or less. Almost all trucks will need to be stripped from the firewall forward, and some need the cab removed. Anybody who is going to go that far isn't just going to slap it back together, and guarantee their work. It always includes AT LEAST a trip to the machine shop for head resurfacing. Now you've tied up 2-3 service bays and a gantry for at least a week.

Have you ever done one? I have done several on all 3, Ford, Gm, Dodge. GMs were by far the worst. But it doesn’t require dismantling the cab... the grille, yes, cab no

 

[Mopar87]

See I 100% agree that if I had an excavating company or something and needed to pull some heavy equipment around that in the end would pay for the maintenance and problems I would have with a diesel that's where it is needed. And of course that's just one example. But if it can't pay for itself and using it to do little jobs and camping and stuff like that it's not in my opinion the way to go..

For my towing needs I probably could get by with a gas powered turbocharged four cylinder or a v6 with proper gearing.However,having the beefy diesel has its advantages, I'm not really working the truck so it lasts for ever with nothing other than routine maintenance.The size and weight of the truck allows it to control the trailer better so it doesn't sway and the trailer doesn't push the truck down a hill. I towed with a 55hp diesel powered 82 Mazda B2200 it did ok.It hated hills,it didn't drive straight, it got blown all over the road,etc and that was towing a first gen RX7 on a flimsy as hell camp trailer that was converted to a flatbed.Sure a load equalizing hitch may have helped or airbags but it was working the truck very hard.Some up hill sections had a top speed of 15mph in 1st gear.Indeed even for rolling hills I had to floor it down hill just to have enough speed to be above 35 mph by the top of the next hill. I tried towing with my 87 v6 dodge dakota and it was extremely unhappy but that was probably due to the 2.73 highway gears it has.

 

[Mopar Tim]

Smog stuff is the death of trucks that use DEF. IMO

Hey MT, when you say < 200k miles, in your opinion is this due to the smog junk failing or the engine failing? And is this a complete failure, or just something that will cost multi-thousands of $$ or ?? Just curious about your view.

And when something breaks, a whole ,lot goes south with it.

 

[dukeboy440]

My brother owns his own business, with about 12 trucks, 3500, 4500,5500, all Rams. One year he bought gas engines, had a lifetime engine warranty on them. In two years, he upgrades about every two years, no more gas. They were just not up to the kind of use he needs. HEAVY pickup loads. Some 30K. He has one, a pull trailer, 27K weight! Bumper pull.

My 89 has pulled, no bull shots 22.5 ton WW2 armored tank. No problems. Did break the trailer though

 

[j par]

For my towing needs I probably could get by with a gas powered turbocharged four cylinder or a v6 with proper gearing.However,having the beefy diesel has its advantages, I'm not really working the truck so it lasts for ever with nothing other than routine maintenance.The size and weight of the truck allows it to control the trailer better so it doesn't sway and the trailer doesn't push the truck down a hill. I towed with a 55hp diesel powered 82 Mazda B2200 it did ok.It hated hills,it didn't drive straight, it got blown all over the road,etc and that was towing a first gen RX7 on a flimsy as hell camp trailer that was converted to a flatbed.Sure a load equalizing hitch may have helped or airbags but it was working the truck very hard.Some up hill sections had a top speed of 15mph in 1st gear.Indeed even for rolling hills I had to floor it down hill just to have enough speed to be above 35 mph by the top of the next hill. I tried towing with my 87 v6 dodge dakota and it was extremely unhappy but that was probably due to the 2.73 highway gears it has.

Of course I wasn't suggesting what someone should buy a truck that could barely get by LOL that sounds unsafe.