Diesel Trucks

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Here is the key. The diesel runs with so little exertion to the engine. Made for pulling. Put the same load on a gas truck and it is working harder than the diesel.
The cost of everything is stupid these days, ..the price of any new truck is STUPID!!!!!!
 
Just found the right pix for this thread LOL. Taking offense is not allowed.

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Yes, there is lots of good used out there. But herin lies the problem. Interest rates r way higher to buy a used vehical, anywhere from 1.99 to 5.99 and higher and that used vehicle
There are lots in the same boat. IMO if I was a lawmaker, new law requiring warranty to last as long as payments. A freakinn men!!! They cant even make a product to last as long as it takes to pay for the damn thing? Something wrong here I'm thinking.
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Damn you coal rollers! You jinxed me!

I awoke one of my gas trucks from her winter slumber to be side swiped by an epic gas truck disaster! Plugs and wires.
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It's actually kinda funny. I instantly thought of you guys laughing. I was totally in panic mode for a second because modern gas engines don't have these third world issues. Back to the grind for her...oil when she starts tapping,
 
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Go bacsk to basics and ask yourselve: (and forget the crap about the chicken or egg)..... " what is better, a good ole big un.. or a big ole good un"???
 

While I disagree with the extended loans I also disagree with the consumer being forced to be the test guine pig for all this emisions equipment crap. Let the manufactures perfect it on their dime not on the consumers dime after the warranty has expired but not the payments.

Thank your Government!

It is not the manufactures total fault. They provide what the consumer is asking for because it gives them sales. Perhaps we as consumers should lessen our desires a little and demand more.
 
Thank your Government!

It is not the manufactures total fault. They provide what the consumer is asking for because it gives them sales. Perhaps we as consumers should lessen our desires a little and demand more.


I did not ask for sensors and modules that must be programmed into the vehicles computer when they need replaced, making it impossible to fix myself. I did not ask for ABS modules that prematurly fail. I did not ask for particulate filters nor DEF systems. I did not ask for EGR systems.

While some will blame our government for the emissions equipment crap I blame the ecoterrorists and fanatical fringe elements of society for voting for the politicians that push their agenda.
 
The issue isn’t political...it is reality. We are where we are and there is no going backwards.

Vote with your wallet, if you don't like what is being made, don’t buy it.

Things sell and they keep making them, if they don’t sell...they don’t keep making them.

It’s not about what any individual wants or likes, it is about what the entire market buys that determines what is made.
 
The issue isn’t political...it is reality. We are where we are and there is no going backwards.

Vote with your wallet, if you don't like what is being made, don’t buy it.

Things sell and they keep making them, if they don’t sell...they don’t keep making them.

It’s not about what any individual wants or likes, it is about what the entire market buys that determines what is made.


You dont think the environmental regulations are politically motivated?
 
You dont think the environmental regulations are politically motivated?

I think they are *somewhat*, after learning about the actual health effects of NOx and hydrocarbons in the air as well as the effects on the climate, that sh** is REAL. Yes we definitely have politicians trying to further their careers off making people scared and there is a lot of BS out there. But emissions issues are a real thing and there are millions being spent on research to clean engines up more, especially diesels.

Diesels have such high combustion temps and pressures it's almost impossible to not get lots of NOx and based on the very way they work (spraying fuel into a hot cylinder which self-ignites) it's extremely hard to control soot. With that said the current emissions technologies piss me off, total band-aid IMO.

I've been seriously considering going into diesel emissions research myself because I hate the way the industry is handling the issue. I also LOVE diesel engines and would hate to see them get regulated out of use.
 
Oh yeah and where I live diesels are way overpriced, especially Cummins Dodges everyone wants those. Not sure when I'll be able to get one but it's on my list of must- have vehicles. I tore down a 2nd-gen common rail all the way to the bare block and was nothing short of impressed. Hell each connecting rod weighs about 30 pounds lol.
 
I remember the first time I flew into Santiago, Chile
The whole city sits in a valley, surrounded by mountains

Until I stepped off of that plane, smog did not exist
Then I got of, and it was overcast, without a single cloud on the sky
The air was strangely heavy (like trying to breath while sitting in a hot tub that is too heavily treated)
Almost impossible to take deep breaths

There might be a little to this exhaust concern, but as always, the key is moderation
 
The issue isn’t political...it is reality.

Well you are right but you are wrong LOL

All this is indeed "reality" all right but it DAMN sure most of it driven by politics. The cost of fuel and oil production in general is "politics" and is most CERTAINLY driven by whatever political bunch is in power. These "cow piss" systems on the newer trucks didn't get there because the majority of the pubic voted for them!!
 
Diesels have such high combustion temps and pressures it's almost impossible to not get lots of NOx and based on the very way they work (spraying fuel into a hot cylinder which self-ignites) it's extremely hard to control soot. With that said the current emissions technologies piss me off, total band-aid IMO.

FWIW, the extra fuel injected does not ignite; it travels out the exhaust to help burn the soot out of the DPF. Ford and Dodge do this... GM has an extra injector downstream in the exhaust to do this.

One thought along this line: Us older types remember the failures the cropped up all over the place for 15 year or more when gas engines got emissions controls:
  • cracked heads (induction hardend seats to allow no-lead gas)
  • overheating (retarded timing to lower CO and NOx)
  • piss poor power (lower CR to lower NOx)
  • touchy carbs and lean burn (to lower HC)
  • EGR's valves plugging up or freezing open
  • air pumps failing
  • catalytic converters crapping out and costing an arm and a leg to replace
So I'm gonna think this will improve with diesels over time. The present crop of light truck diesel emissions systems are at least 5 years behind where the big rigs are. The 're-flashes' from the dealer are to improve the firmware managing these systems so that is evolving. Those of us with the present crop may have the 'guinea pig' systems of light truck emissions, like a 70's-80s' gas engined car.

The new electronics comm bus design is a big part of the problem with all cars/trucks. Sensors fail, but now their bus interface modules failures come into the picture too and the only way to presently manage that is to shotgun both the sensor and interface module. So a $150 sensor becomes a $500 sensor + interface module; the garages have no training or equipment to tell where the issues lie between the 2, even with some of the codes pointing to the likely cause. No difference there between diesel or gas; you would be fooling yourself to think otherwise because the gas version has the same comm bus system..... That is the only reason I paid an extra few $k for a 100k mile comprehensive warranty on the '16 Ram: the electronics. My '16 has 31 or 32 bus interface modules/local controllers in it that all communicate with each other!

And the bus connections get erratic or bus communications get out of sync. I get phantom rear air suspension alarms on rare occasion in the '16 and nothing is wrong; the alerts just appear then go away. Had that on an emission sensor last trip... showed up as active then became inactive. Sensor, interface, connection, bus comm failure? Impossible to say. How the electronics comm will be improved, if at all, I do not pretend to know.

With software comes flexibility, but software engineers are woefully short of knowledge on the failure modes of comm systems, and do an awful job of working around them. I've directly experienced some software engineers actually reacting with a blank stare and a "What do you mean the comm bus can go out, then come back?" type of reply when you try to solve these problems!
 
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FWIW, the extra fuel injected does not ignite; it travels out the exhaust to help burn the soot out of the DPF. Ford and Dodge do this... GM has an extra injector downstream in the exhaust to do this.

One thought along this line: Us older types remember the failures the cropped up all over the place for 15 year or more when gas engines got emissions controls:
  • cracked heads (induction hardend seats to allow no-lead gas)
  • overheating (retarded timing to lower CO and NOx)
  • piss poor power (lower CR to lower NOx)
  • touchy carbs and lean burn (to lower HC)
  • EGR's valves plugging up or freezing open
  • air pumps failing
  • catalytic converters crapping out and costing an arm and a leg to replace
So I'm gonna think this will improve with diesels over time. The present crop of light truck diesel emissions systems are at least 5 years behind where the big rigs are. The 're-flashes' from the dealer are to improve the firmware managing these systems so that is evolving. Those of us with the present crop may have the 'guinea pig' systems of light truck emissions, like a 70's-80s' gas engined car.

The new electronics comm bus design is a big part of the problem with all cars/trucks. Sensors fail, but now their bus interface modules failures come into the picture too and the only way to presently manage that is to shotgun both the sensor and interface module. So a $150 sensor becomes a $500 sensor + interface module; the garages have no training or equipment to tell where the issues lie between the 2, even with some of the codes pointing to the likely cause. No difference there between diesel or gas; you would be fooling yourself to think otherwise because the gas version has the same comm bus system..... That is the only reason I paid an extra few $k for a 100k mile comprehensive warranty on the '16 Ram: the electronics. My '16 has 31 or 32 bus interface modules/local controllers in it that all communicate with each other!

And the bus connections get erratic or bus communications get out of sync. I get phantom rear air suspension alarms on rare occasion in the '16 and nothing is wrong; the alerts just appear then go away. Had that on an emission sensor last trip... showed up as active then became inactive. Sensor, interface, connection, bus comm failure? Impossible to say. How the electronics comm will be improved, if at all, I do not pretend to know.

With software comes flexibility, but software engineers are woefully short of knowledge on the failure modes of comm systems, and do an awful job of working around them. I've directly experienced some software engineers actually reacting with a blank stare and a "What do you mean the comm bus can go out them come back?" type of reply when you try to solve these problems!

I agree the systems are getting better much faster than they did for gas engines back in the smog era thanks to electronics. It's exactly that part about having to inject extra diesel into the exhaust to get it hot enough to keep things clean that drives me nuts... "we have lower emissions but are using twice the fuel" wtf? Fuel economy while doing hard work is the main reason people choose diesel engines in the first place!

I think the next big shift we might see is a transition to using more natural gas as a fuel for engines. It's cheap and plentiful the only major downside is the inconsistency in its makeup, natural gas is a mixture and sometimes can have harmful stuff in it for engines.
 
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