waggin
moving on ain't easy if you drive a Ford :p
nissan pickups had torsion bars also......our survey say's????
Dodge Sucks...
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JR
Pissed off senior member.
Tell your kid that he is grounded for having stupid friends!
JR
Pissed off senior member.
VIVA LA S.S.O.S.!!!!!
Wylde1
"No Value Added" Member
You should see the size of the control arms on my '89 Cadillac Fleetwood limo. Those things are freakin' huge! Awwwwwwwwww crap...... did I just admit I own a GM? My bad.
Wylde1.
Guitar Jones
aka Angry Johnny
I told my kids when I die to put my coffin in the back of my truck because I didn't want to take my last ride in a GM.
rp23g7
Well-Known Member
I cant remeber how many times i have got in a Chevy is better than MoPar discussion. What usually silences them is the "and how long and how much money do you need to spend to lower your car"? Or the replacing a oil pump on a big block question.
Holding up a 3/4 inch wrench usually silences them, and pointing under the front end on a B/RB car. "oil pan, take it off? HA"
Holding up a 3/4 inch wrench usually silences them, and pointing under the front end on a B/RB car. "oil pan, take it off? HA"
Early in drag racing they jacked up the front ends for rear wheel weight transfer. Our suspensions were built with this in mind. FX cars moved their rear wheels forward. Check the rear wheel location of the B bodies. Long trunk, rear wheels foward. Snubber and just plain MO Power.
These cars were less expensive then, now get your wallet out.
Chivvy parts are real cheap, that makes their restos real cheap.
Here comes my DREAM, I have a 440 Coronet Vert, 4 speed, NOM, buckets, console, optional side scoops annnnnd I have a 543 strokme kit. I'm not gonna max it out. It should pull 500 ponies ez.
Sometimes it's money over mind. Like when I had 4 Mopar collectibles. I couldn't possibly build all these cars, I had to cut two loose. Now it's mind over money. The price of parts to restore and engines. Where do we stop?
I have 3 G's in the stroker kit, need 3 more G's in parts to build that motor and guess what? You build a car to support the horses you wanna run. Tranny/clutch, drive shaft, rearend, cooling system, pulleys to keep the belts from jumping, man I'm tellin ya that ya build the car as you go and it's still cheaper than the 68 G's I had to give ex. Mirrors @ 410, exhaust tips @ 320 and I'm still smilin cause it's mine and it's damn fast....
Only pic I have on new puter is layin my Dad down, he was an antique dealer, the Challenger led the way, that 73 has also been to two proms. Cheers Dad, Life goes on very fast I might add...
These cars were less expensive then, now get your wallet out.
Chivvy parts are real cheap, that makes their restos real cheap.
Here comes my DREAM, I have a 440 Coronet Vert, 4 speed, NOM, buckets, console, optional side scoops annnnnd I have a 543 strokme kit. I'm not gonna max it out. It should pull 500 ponies ez.
Sometimes it's money over mind. Like when I had 4 Mopar collectibles. I couldn't possibly build all these cars, I had to cut two loose. Now it's mind over money. The price of parts to restore and engines. Where do we stop?
I have 3 G's in the stroker kit, need 3 more G's in parts to build that motor and guess what? You build a car to support the horses you wanna run. Tranny/clutch, drive shaft, rearend, cooling system, pulleys to keep the belts from jumping, man I'm tellin ya that ya build the car as you go and it's still cheaper than the 68 G's I had to give ex. Mirrors @ 410, exhaust tips @ 320 and I'm still smilin cause it's mine and it's damn fast....
Only pic I have on new puter is layin my Dad down, he was an antique dealer, the Challenger led the way, that 73 has also been to two proms. Cheers Dad, Life goes on very fast I might add...
dodgetkboy78
EDELBROCK HEADS SUCK!
Not a good comparison, that HAS to be the crappiest front truck suspension made........
LOL
But I guess the Chevy guy likes them, LOL.
805moparkid
Slant and AFX Guy
bjkadron
Well-Known Member
Oh yeah! I forgot about those... I just recently saw an add from a late 80's car magazine where Porsche was bragging about having torsion bars.
Also after much research on the subject, I really can't believe that more people don't use torsion bars. For example: If set up right it is possible to adjust spring rates and ride heights on the fly.. Adjusting spring rates and ride heights without changing any parts... And when you think about the packaging and aerodynamic benefits, I can't believe anyone even seriously considers coil springs. Of course some of the tech could stand for improvement but it is actually a genius design.
Sorry, I'm rambling. :book:
junior
Well-Known Member
I am a mopar man to the end and an ex-oval racer and any self respecting builder know that T bar is no match for coil over any time any form of racing really even the greenest of builders must know the limitations of the technology he is using. Just my opinion. But for best results you must meld best of both . Sorry all may not be what you want to hear but check out what top runners are using. Ever see a tube car with Tbar duh!!!
daves66valiant
68 Dart 340/727:66 Signet Vert 340/5spd: 68 D100
I love torsion bars too except when trying to "thread the needle" installing headers. A PITA but so easy to adjust.
waggin
moving on ain't easy if you drive a Ford :p
coil overs are the way to go on race cars but if your builing a street car to race in sportsman class where stock suspension parts are required you will have torsion bars if your gonna run a mopar rules have changed a bit in sportsman class since then
BillGrissom
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Some books say that Chrysler went with the torsion bar suspension to get the center of mass lower for better handling. I expect this is because the beefy steel can then be at the bottom, instead of having to react at the top of the spring. It probably also lowers the "sprung mass" since the spring isn't moving up and down with the control arm. I expect the torsion bar was more expensive than a coil spring design. I don't know why racing coil-over springs are better. It may have to do with greater travel or exotic materials.
C130 Chief
Mechanical Genius
A coil spring is just a torsion bar wound into a circle!
Mopar's "Torsion-Aire" goes way back into the 50's and was designed to provide a lower center of gravity among other things. It is also substantially lighter.
Mopar's "Torsion-Aire" goes way back into the 50's and was designed to provide a lower center of gravity among other things. It is also substantially lighter.
MopaR&D
Nerd Member
I don't see why you didn't say anything, I would've given that guy quite a lecture about center of gravity and weight transfer. Coil springs and torsion bars each have their advantages and disadvantages but as far as classic GM vs. Mopar suspensions go the T-bars definitely have the leg up.
ramenth
Gratis persona
Actually, since the statement was about torsion bars and the comment made about superiority of coil springs...by Chevy guys...who obviously don't know enough about the Chevies they claim are superior... I think they don't know enough to understand (given the slack-jawed question about the LCA's) about what they're arguing about and sticking their heads under a Silverado will blow what little gray matter they have left. :-D
bjkadron
Well-Known Member
Yeah... I've seen a bunch of tube cars that use torsion bars... Most are called Midgets and sprints. But to say:
is a little over the top. Most cars are built by people with specialized interests and usually very rules limited.
Now for a stock mopar system to be compared to a full race coil-over system is a little absurd. If someone wanted to take the time to utilize the potential that torsion bars have while designing a suspension system they would be competitive enough to be banned by most sanctioning bodies.
is a little over the top. Most cars are built by people with specialized interests and usually very rules limited.
Now for a stock mopar system to be compared to a full race coil-over system is a little absurd. If someone wanted to take the time to utilize the potential that torsion bars have while designing a suspension system they would be competitive enough to be banned by most sanctioning bodies.
mean318
Well-Known Member
Say: I use a ratchet and 3/4" socket to adjust my front end height and preloads. What do you use?
Thats what I say when I hear a chevy guy complain that he has to lower or raise his car.
I doubt that these pillars of automotive wisdom have, or ever will see a racetrack with any brand car so enlightening them as to whats superior for a race suspension would do no good. If you don't know what an LCA is, I doubt any form of education will sway them away from their beloved Camaro's. By the way, which one of them had the Camaro??? Thats what I thought, NEITHER of them!!! Stupid weiner Chivvy lovers anyway!!! Now, back to what's really important, those badazz LCA's!!! Nice work, Geof
340demon
old man
Yea Kenworth Start With Bars In The Late 1930's
DartSportGreg
The system has failed!
Typical d-bag Chevy know-nothings, that's all.
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