pacuda59
pacuda59
Not much to enlighten you on Asshole (note the caps) as my father, like many WWII vets, didn't talk much about experiences in the War.
Don't Laugh at Military Graves
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Freedom of Speech, freedom of expression, are the law of the land (at least for the time being), Poor behavior, and disregard for the circumstance, or the moment, are just bad taste, and inappropriate.
While you have the "right" to laugh during such a time, the question is, should you? And, if you do, are you immune to being corrected for your inappropriate behavior?
The fact is, the OP has nothing to do with "rights". and everything to do with circumstance.
While you have the "right" to laugh during such a time, the question is, should you? And, if you do, are you immune to being corrected for your inappropriate behavior?
The fact is, the OP has nothing to do with "rights". and everything to do with circumstance.
Yes, I agree that we live in a time where there is little respect for others. You can't go anywhere without encountering one of these a-holes.
I don't believe that we should have even gone to war in the middle east. I don't approve of the war, however I do have respect for the troops over there risking their lives. I have a cousin that went to Iraq 4 or 5 times, and he led THE DEADLIEST TROOPS IN IRAQ. They killed more insurgents than any other platoon. His father showed us a write up where he got a presidential award for standing in the line of fire from two Iraqi snipers while the rest of his platoon moved to safety behind him. He was also a sniper and took out both of the Iraqi snipers before they got him. He could have been killed, and that's just one story....
George Bush used 9-11 as an excuse to go after Saddam Hussein. There's a saying in politics, "Don't let a good crisis go to waste..." Meaning "take advantage of an unfortunate situation and twist it in your favor..." We all know now, that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq that George Bush used as an excuse to invade Iraq. The reason that they were sent to Iraq is that Saddam Hussein had a contract out to kill George Bush Sr. He wanted to save his daddy.
All from a guy who dissappeared from the military when he was called to serve. He was too big of a p*ssy to put himself in a potentially dangerous situation, but has no problem sending our young people there today to loose their lives or limbs. My cousin could have been killed or seriously hurt.
I was listening to the radio once and they were interviewing a war vet who had been blown up by an IUD while serving in the Gulf War. This guy is immoble, can't even get up to go to the bathroom and is confined to a bed and was dying. He can't do anything that we take for granted. There is a documentary movie about him and he wrote a letter to George Bush and wanted him to know what "George's War" did to him. He was on his death bed and looking forward to die as he had no "quality of life". I don't blame him. He wanted to hear how George Bush felt about what he went through fighting a senseless war that basically threw away his life. I have not seen the movie, I don't know if I can handle it.
Not to mention, how do you think the people in Afghanistan and Iraq feel about our military being there. I wouldn't appreciate another countries' troops being in my country. Just our troops being there are turning more of the citizens that didn't hate us before to hate us now. Can you blame them? Then they are easily turned against us and recruited by the Taliban/Al Queda...
How long do we have to leave our military there? We captured Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden. We've accomplished "the goal", now lets get outta there... No, we have to stay there and make them more like us. Try to give them democracy. Maybe even whip a little industry on them while we're there. Why do we have to make every other country that we beat to be like us? Our system is broken. The upper 1% of the wealthy are calling the shots and not paying the taxes. The middle class is paying all the taxes and not getting any say. Now the middle class is almost extinct, who is going to pay the taxes? The poor can't afford it, and the rich are controlling the government and have loopholes so they don't pay any taxes, or much less than the working class. Who is going to pay for this when the middle class is extinct? So why do we want to implement this system on other countries?
Like I said, I respect the troops, but I do not support the war. Our involvement there was based on a bunch of lies. We need to get our troops out of there. (I have another cousin in Afghanistan right now also). Their lives are being put on the line by politicians with hidden agendas, that do not benefit us.
HAHAHAHAHA!
no caps on your father??? and yet caps on asshole...
oh sheit!!! I humbly apologize Mr pacuda59...
arrrgh, My command of the 'Kings English' is a bit 'nebulous' at times
???Southern Slang is better for Ya'll ???
Pappy got a leg gimped up when that thare flat fender rolled...
Ma duce barrel saved Pappys git along...
1) frankie, get off the mr principal oversight UN. peacemaking stuff.
2) Mr Pacuda, its debate, plain and simple debate. I am an asshole,
I never claimed to be anything less. However , if You take My posts
as an personal affront to You (or Your Families) integrity You Sir have lost the focus of Debate!!!
Mrmopartech
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Should this happen at ANY military grave site,NO,will it happen,YES.Today in NORTH AMERICA,the breeding of assholes is a ragging problem out of control,and has no signs of getting better,unless we as the more intelligent ones show and even kick some *** to the really stupid one,s.If it was not for those fallen military people from all over the world,we would all be goose stepping or bowing at the waste to people from some little island to the west.It is the responsibility of older or wiser people to show the right way to conduct your self,s at a grave site,if they can not,take them away,don,t ever come back.If parents can,t control your kid,s,don,t go.If you are to stupid to not be able to control your self at a place like this,don,t go.If you are a adult and see another adult being stupid,stop them and get some one to show them the door,with a helping hand from your boot.If you disagree with this,please post away my friend,as we will find out who are the REAL A/Hole,s are,mrmopartech
PA, was your father in the Second Armored Division, by any chance? My Grandfather was a Tank Battalion Commander in the Second Armor Division. He thought Patton walked on water. Like you say he didn't talk much about the war either.
He brought home a German officers pistol. When you would ask him about it all he would say was, "He valued his life more than he did this gun."
You have to point out when people are being ignorant and stupid, or they will keep going around thinking it's ok...
Gallagher
Gallagher
pacuda59
pacuda59
Not sure Chuckman, He died about 14 years ago and I've never really dug into it.
If he's in a military grave, it should be on his marker. Maybe you have a picture?
DaveBonds
Garage Trash
Captain Canuck
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I recently aquired some photos of my Great Uncle Jack Judson who was killed in action in Normandy France. Jack was my Grandma's older brother. The pictures I have of him are of him and his wife Lois along with their young son before he was deployed overseas to fight in the second world war. The second picture is of his grave site in the Canadian war cemetary in France. I also have a copy of the letter that his Captain wrote to his widow to inform her of the circumstances under which he was killed.
Ever since I received these pictures of my Great Uncle, I have a whole new respect for our fallen soldiers. Eventually, I plan on visiting his grave in France and while I'm there I will treat the cemetery as sacred ground and be very respectful in my conduct, as I feel that all the soldiers who are buried there deserve nothing less!
Ever since I received these pictures of my Great Uncle, I have a whole new respect for our fallen soldiers. Eventually, I plan on visiting his grave in France and while I'm there I will treat the cemetery as sacred ground and be very respectful in my conduct, as I feel that all the soldiers who are buried there deserve nothing less!
Oh, bite me, Homer.
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Oldschoolcuda
Early-A Body Nerd
North Africa then Sicily and finally Italy was the course of progression for allied troops during WWII mainly involved in the air campaign against Germany as they were pushed north. Finally airbases were estabished in Italy for all of our staging and massive bombing runs into enemy territory that helped lead to victory.
Oldschoolcuda
Early-A Body Nerd
Here is US logistical, organizational and exact casualty info. for the theaters of operation during WWII . Look at the number of casualties which are European theater only. Unfathomable by folks today. Since I'm on the down hill side of an eventual dirt nap happening at Arlington National myself. Times change but I will not.
Oldschoolcuda
US Army Divisions in World War II
Background Information on U.S. Army Divisions in World War II
During World War II about 16,000,000 personnel served in the U.S. Military. Approximately 11,200,000 or 70% served in the U.S. Army (4,200,000 served in the Navy and 660,000 in the Marines.)
The U.S. Army
The U.S. Army was re-organized into three forces in March 1942:
DateStrength U.S. ArmyStrength Army Ground ForcesPercent of U.S. Army31 Dec 19411,657,157867,46252.4%31 Dec 19425,398,8881,937,91735.9%31 Dec 19437,582,4342,551,00733.6%31 Mar 19458,157,3862,753,51733.8%Source: Greenfield, Palmer, & Wiley. US Army in World War II, The Organization of Ground Combat Troops
The Army Ground Forces
Personnel in the Army Gound Forces were grouped into two areas: divisional forces and non-divisional forces. In March 1945, there was about 1,200,000 personnel assigned to divisions and 1,500,000 to non-divisional units.
The core combat arm of the Army Ground Forces was orginized around the division formation. The division was created to be the smallest Army organization capable of performing independent operations. Ninety-one divisions were formed by the U.S. Army in World War II. In general, a division contained about 15,000 troops. See below for a complete breakdown of a division.
Non-divisional forces included service units and some additional combat troops not initially assigned to a division.
Note: most service units were allocated across all U.S. Army organizations. For example, both the Army Service Forces and Army Ground Forces had engineer units. In addition, engineer units were part of divisions while other engineer units were part of non-divisional personnel.
Division
Combat troops of the U.S. Army are classified by the weapons and methods used in combat.
Divisional facts:
All divisions of the U.S. Army originated from the following four sources:
The numbering of divisions followed a pattern established in 1917 during World War I. The numbers 1 to 25 were reserved for the Regular Army; numbers 26 to 45 for the National Guard; and numbers 46 to 106 for the Army of the U.S. However, there were a number of exceptions. The two airborne divisions, 82nd and 101st, were redesignated Regular Army when they converted from infantry to airborne divisions. The 25th was formed from troops of the Hawaiin division and was classified as an Army of the U.S. division. The 42nd division was a National Guard division in World War II but was mobilized as an Army of the U.S. division.
Division Life Cycle
In general, a division went through the following phases during its existence:
Casualties
The ten divisions with the most battle casualties are presented below. Casualties are defined as killed in action, wounded in action, captured and interned, and missing in action.
Oldschoolcuda
US Army Divisions in World War II
Background Information on U.S. Army Divisions in World War II
During World War II about 16,000,000 personnel served in the U.S. Military. Approximately 11,200,000 or 70% served in the U.S. Army (4,200,000 served in the Navy and 660,000 in the Marines.)
The U.S. Army
The U.S. Army was re-organized into three forces in March 1942:
- Army Ground Forces (AGF). According to the The Army Almanac, "Its mission was to provide ground force units properly organized, trained and equipped for combat operations." About 4,400,000 personnel were part of the Army Ground Forces during the war. They sustained about 80% of the U.S. Army casualties.
- Army Service Forces (ASF). The ASF, originally called Services of Supply, was responsible suppling and servicing the U.S. Army. Organizations under ASF included: corps of engineers, quartermaster corps, medical corps, signal corps, chemical warfare service, ordnance department, and the military police.
- Army Air Forces (AAF). The AAF was responible for the training and making ready the air component of the U.S. Army. The Army Air Forces became an independent service (U.S. Air Force) in 1947.
DateStrength U.S. ArmyStrength Army Ground ForcesPercent of U.S. Army31 Dec 19411,657,157867,46252.4%31 Dec 19425,398,8881,937,91735.9%31 Dec 19437,582,4342,551,00733.6%31 Mar 19458,157,3862,753,51733.8%Source: Greenfield, Palmer, & Wiley. US Army in World War II, The Organization of Ground Combat Troops
The Army Ground Forces
Personnel in the Army Gound Forces were grouped into two areas: divisional forces and non-divisional forces. In March 1945, there was about 1,200,000 personnel assigned to divisions and 1,500,000 to non-divisional units.
The core combat arm of the Army Ground Forces was orginized around the division formation. The division was created to be the smallest Army organization capable of performing independent operations. Ninety-one divisions were formed by the U.S. Army in World War II. In general, a division contained about 15,000 troops. See below for a complete breakdown of a division.
Non-divisional forces included service units and some additional combat troops not initially assigned to a division.
Note: most service units were allocated across all U.S. Army organizations. For example, both the Army Service Forces and Army Ground Forces had engineer units. In addition, engineer units were part of divisions while other engineer units were part of non-divisional personnel.
Division
Combat troops of the U.S. Army are classified by the weapons and methods used in combat.
Divisional facts:
- There were 5 types of divisions: infantry, mountain, armored, airborne, and cavalry.
- 91 divisions were mobilized during the war: 68 infantry divisions, 1 mountain division, 16 armored divisions, 5 airborne divisions, and 2 cavalry divisions.
- All divisions were activated in the United States except for the following divisions: Philippine (activated in the Philippines), Hawaiian (activated in Hawaii and renamed the 24th division), 25th (activated in Hawaii from troops of the Hawaiian division), and Americal (activated in New Caledonia.)
- There were three major theaters of operation during the war: Pacific (22 divisions were deployed to the Pacific), Mediterranean (15 divisions), and Europe (61 divisions). Seven divisions served in both the Mediterranean and European Theaters (1st, 3rd, 9th, 36th, 45th infantry divisions; 82nd airborne; and 2nd armored.)
- Two divisions were disbanded or deactivated before the end of the war: the Philippine division was destroyed and disbanded on 10 April 1942; and the 2nd Cavalary division was activated and inactivated twice: 15 Apr 41 to 15 Jul 42 and 23 Feb 43 to 10 May 44.
- Three divisions did not enter combat: 98th Infantry division, 13th Airborne division, and the 2nd Cavalary division.
- By June 1946, 74 divisions were inactivated or disbanded leaving 17 divisions on active duty.
All divisions of the U.S. Army originated from the following four sources:
The numbering of divisions followed a pattern established in 1917 during World War I. The numbers 1 to 25 were reserved for the Regular Army; numbers 26 to 45 for the National Guard; and numbers 46 to 106 for the Army of the U.S. However, there were a number of exceptions. The two airborne divisions, 82nd and 101st, were redesignated Regular Army when they converted from infantry to airborne divisions. The 25th was formed from troops of the Hawaiin division and was classified as an Army of the U.S. division. The 42nd division was a National Guard division in World War II but was mobilized as an Army of the U.S. division.
Division Life Cycle
In general, a division went through the following phases during its existence:
- Cadre selection: A cadre of officers and men (about 1300 men or 10% of the division) were selected from a current division to serve as the nucleus of the new division.
- Division commander selection: The commanding general of the division was selected by General George Marshal, chief of staff of the United States Army.
- Cadre training: The cadre trained for a few months prior to activation.
- Officer fill out: Officer schools and replacement centers sent personnel to fill the complement of officers.
- Activation: The division was formally activated, that is, put in to existence so that it can be filled out.
- Division expansion: Draftees and enlistees were integrated into the division bringing it up to its authorized strength.
- Training: The division trained for a year.
17 weeks of basic and advanced training
13 weeks of unit training
14 weeks of combined arms training and large-scale exercises
8 weeks of final training - More training: The division participated in large scale, multi-division training exercises.
- Overseas movement: The division was moved to a port, loaded on transports and embarked to an overseas theater.
- Additional training: If possible the division trained for a few more weeks.
- Combat: The division moved to the front lines and entered combat.
- Relieved: Periodically the division was relieved from combat for rest, recuperation, re-equipping and retraining. After a break of a few days to a few months, the division re-entered the front lines.
- Inactivation or remained on duty: Personnel were returned to the United States and released from the Army and the division was de-mobilized. Most of the regular army divisions remained on duty in Europe or the Far East.
Casualties
The ten divisions with the most battle casualties are presented below. Casualties are defined as killed in action, wounded in action, captured and interned, and missing in action.
- CasualtiesDivisionTheater25,977 3rd Infantry DivisionMediterranean & European23,277 9th Infantry DivisionMediterranean & European22,660 4th Infantry DivisionEuropean20,993 45th Infantry DivisionMediterranean & European20,659 1st Infantry DivisionMediterranean & European20,620 29th Infantry DivisionEuropean19,466 36th Infantry DivisionMediterranean & European19,200 90th Infantry DivisionEuropean18,446 30th Infantry DivisionEuropean17,087 80th Infantry DivisionEuropeanSource: Army Battle Casualties and Nonbattle Deaths in World War II, Final Report, 1 December 1941 - 31 December 1946.
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