Freiburger's Duster for sale. NOT MINE

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This isn't really any different than the Nose 'Pickers coming up with outrageous prices on their stuff. Then everyone that has one thinks it is worth a ton....including the people that just broadcast to the world how much it's worth (and have one they're going to be selling)
 
Yeah...speak of the Devil. Moving on.....

For some that balk at the price he set, consider this:
How many of you actually do buy cars like this in this condition ? I know that I always try to get a good deal and that usually means a car that isn't running and has been sitting awhile. I have bought cars like this and spent nowhere near $15,000. He surely does not have that much into it, he was looking to make a few bucks and I don't blame him for that.
He admitted to paying $4000 for the car (with HIS money or the TV network?) not even knowing is he could actually get the car running. It was network/studio money that paid for the parts in the episode where he and Steve worked on it at the sellers house. It was probably the studio that paid to tow it the rest of the way to Steve's place. It was probably studio money that paid for the engine, the transmission, the axle and rear tires. The 1000 mile road trip DF and Dulcich took included a master cylinder and a swap of the axle bearings, surely paid by the network. When the shows were canceled, he may have paid for the car at a discount just so the network could recoup some of their losses.
Having stated that, If YOU were in his spot, (without ever having a TV show) you'd be paying out of pocket for all of those things. For me, first off I have seen similar Dusters in California for under $2000 so his purchase price was higher than what I see.
Someone bought it, we may never know what the sales price ended up being.
 
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i love the discourse in threads like these.

the gnashing of teeth, the rending of garments, the mewling cries: tHaT's t0o mUcH m0nEy!!!11!!

yeah, it's carrying a little bit of the fried burger roadkill tax, but not that much of one. don't think so? here's an exercise for ya: put it to paper and see what it really would be to build that out. account for everything there plus the purchase of a car. use real deal numbers, not what you've got in your personal stash that you bought back in 2010 on clearance or that manifold dirty johnny hooked you up with because he needed the extra $75 to make rent on his storage.

i think a whole mess of all y'all will be surprised what the number comes to.

at the end of the day though, it don't matter. it's only worth what somebody will pay for it. and yesterday, somebody loved that pile of crap just as much as you love your pile of crap and ponied up the cash for what they wanted.
 

I don't know man..... this was a turn key 13 second car. I had a Mopar friend that wanted it and backed out when I told him the price, too high I guess. 6k bucks. I guess I'm not keep'n up with the times and prices. I charged what I'd be willing to pay if I was interested.

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When I read stuff from dudes that trash talk anything that isn't a platinum level restoration, I think what a pain in the *** they must be to be around.
For those that strive for perfection with no tolerance or understanding for anything less, feel free to keep your high standards while the overwhelming majority of others are having fun with lesser cars.
Do you not remember what it is like to be short on cash but still have great desire to drive a fun car?
Keep your virtue signalling ways to yourself. Most people will not be impressed that your car is trailered everywhere, never gets washed with actual water, has never made a pass down the strip or hasn't even been over 5000 rpms it's entire existence.
Let the rest of us enjoy what we like doing.
I liked the Roadkill shows. They inspired people to get old classics out of the field and driving again. Sure, it would be nice to see them painted with full interiors and mechanically functional but if they all had the stick up the butt mentality that it has to be perfect, otherwise forget it entirely, only the affluent 1% would have these cars.

I like that they're getting stuff out on the road. I certainly don't care about the paint and interior, can't see what I drive and say I've got a problem with that.

I just don't like the substantial, basic safety short cuts and then turning around and calling it a "driver". Like I said, I like Freiburger, but, he doesn't live in the real world. It's entertainment. And that Duster is not a driver in the real world. Not with door handles that don't work, 9" drums up front and no working gauges. Yeah, you can drive it, and that's cool. But it's not a driver. If someone with a real 9-5 wanted to drive that car all the time it'd still need another $5k in parts and doing all the labor yourself to put it on the road reliably and frequently.

And if you did all that it still wouldn't increase the overall value of the car any.
i love the discourse in threads like these.

the gnashing of teeth, the rending of garments, the mewling cries: tHaT's t0o mUcH m0nEy!!!11!!

yeah, it's carrying a little bit of the fried burger roadkill tax, but not that much of one. don't think so? here's an exercise for ya: put it to paper and see what it really would be to build that out. account for everything there plus the purchase of a car. use real deal numbers, not what you've got in your personal stash that you bought back in 2010 on clearance or that manifold dirty johnny hooked you up with because he needed the extra $75 to make rent on his storage.

i think a whole mess of all y'all will be surprised what the number comes to.

at the end of the day though, it don't matter. it's only worth what somebody will pay for it. and yesterday, somebody loved that pile of crap just as much as you love your pile of crap and ponied up the cash for what they wanted.

I dunno man. Without the junkyard engine swap that Duster chassis doesn't pull more than a couple grand even as a roller with that roof rot.

And real deal numbers? How many of the parts on that car came out of Freiburgers stash from 2010? I've watched his show, I haven't seen a ton of this particular car but he has a long and established history of pulling parts out of his yard, the old magazines yard, off his other projects, having a buddy give him something or horse trading, etc. That's exactly how he did that.

I really doubt he's got more than $7 or $8k into it, especially if you throw in the fact that he gets some of that stuff just because of who he is.

Sure, if you bought the car and paid someone to do the engine swap and other work to that car you'd probably be out more than $15k. But Freiburger didn't do that and he definitely doesn't have that into it.
 
I dunno man. Without the junkyard engine swap that Duster chassis doesn't pull more than a couple grand even as a roller with that roof rot.

And real deal numbers? How many of the parts on that car came out of Freiburgers stash from 2010? I've watched his show, I haven't seen a ton of this particular car but he has a long and established history of pulling parts out of his yard, the old magazines yard, off his other projects, having a buddy give him something or horse trading, etc. That's exactly how he did that.

I really doubt he's got more than $7 or $8k into it, especially if you throw in the fact that he gets some of that stuff just because of who he is.

Sure, if you bought the car and paid someone to do the engine swap and other work to that car you'd probably be out more than $15k. But Freiburger didn't do that and he definitely doesn't have that into it.
precisely.

i could easily pull this off with hoard of parts i've got rat holed away in the used power & speed equipment warehouse, but if i didn't have that leg up parts wise or the build was on a short time line so the luxury of waiting for a deal wasn't in the cards? this doesn't get done for less than 10K and even that would be accounting for some deals coming thru and used parts.

your point on safety and reliability is well taken. a lot of stuff is just for the entertainment factor, but the problem is when those short cuts are absorbed and copied by the people watching along. these guys have been doing it a long, long time and know what they can get away with-- especially on something that is short term and realistically only for the yuks-- but that also means that joe blow viewer might not be so lucky in applying the same ethos with their stuff.
 
It's the bubble gum and duct tape hackery for me... It's the unrealistic we can do x y z for 2k that no realistic person can touch for under 8k just in parts. It's the breakdowns every 10-20 miles over the corners cut to: (Just say a car is back on the road.) "Don't get it right just get it running" That's great, but make it mechanically sound, not well we hope and were gonna try cause were hacks. Guys watch this hacking and think I can do that too. As unrealistic as we want to believe it is, these guys do cut most corners. Yea, its made for TV, but most of these escapades in automotive foolery are true. Again it ain't gotta be pretty but make dependable.
 
Well, the facts are the facts and their tomfoolery on tv apparently makes a clapped out, rusty roof, no working door handles duster with a junkyard magnum and a 4 speed worth 15k because that garbage wasn’t listed for more than a day before someone bought it. Apparently we’re all doing wrong.
 
I don't know man..... this was a turn key 13 second car. I had a Mopar friend that wanted it and backed out when I told him the price, too high I guess. 6k bucks. I guess I'm not keep'n up with the times and prices. I charged what I'd be willing to pay if I was interested.

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Good deal for that car. Maybe after a few more years on the tube you can add the 318wr tax and that’ll be a 20k car.
 
Doesn't Freiburger usually sell his stuff a lot cheaper than that?

Either way the person buying the car is not buying it so they can restore it. They'll more than likely just keep it the way it is and maintain it or fix the little annoying things that are broken. No one is buying that car so they can do a rotisserie restoration on it. Defeats the purpose of buying a Roadkill car.
 
If you go the the various YouTube channels of persons who bought or acquired the vehicles from Motor Trend TV, you will see just what clapped out pieces of garbage they were. Most, if not all of them were barely street legal with multitudes of safety and mechanical issues. Had I ended up with any of them, the first thing I would do I check it front to back and side to side. Those cars were built for a f'ing TV program and really not meant for anyone with limited mechanical knowledge.
 
I don't know man..... this was a turn key 13 second car. I had a Mopar friend that wanted it and backed out when I told him the price, too high I guess. 6k bucks. I guess I'm not keep'n up with the times and prices. I charged what I'd be willing to pay if I was interested.

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Parts cars are bringing thousands nowdays. Complete rollers even more. Was it worth 20? I don't think so. Was it worth 10? Probably that or more. Then 15 it is and deal from there. The buyer probably paid 12 or 13 unless he just rolled over and played dead with 15 large in his hand.
 
precisely.

i could easily pull this off with hoard of parts i've got rat holed away in the used power & speed equipment warehouse, but if i didn't have that leg up parts wise or the build was on a short time line so the luxury of waiting for a deal wasn't in the cards? this doesn't get done for less than 10K and even that would be accounting for some deals coming thru and used parts.

your point on safety and reliability is well taken. a lot of stuff is just for the entertainment factor, but the problem is when those short cuts are absorbed and copied by the people watching along. these guys have been doing it a long, long time and know what they can get away with-- especially on something that is short term and realistically only for the yuks-- but that also means that joe blow viewer might not be so lucky in applying the same ethos with their stuff.

Yeah, that Duster is fun if you're Freiburger. But a junkyard engine with no gauges is not a recipe for longterm success. Sure, he "got it running", but if in 6 months he spins a bearing because he lost oil pressure and didn't know it the car is back off the road and still has a whole host of issues to be fixed. Maybe it's not in paint purgatory for 3 years and $30k, but at some point people that aren't Freiburger will get tired of stabbing junkyard engines into stuff over and over again. And then it's back off the road.

I'm not some stickler for perfection, I'd much rather see people just "getting it running" and out on the roads. But there's reality too, and the reality is most folks will get tired of endlessly putting band aids on a car. Yeah maybe sometimes you get lucky and that junkyard engine lasts 30k miles. Maybe I'm just not that lucky or maybe I need to make more progress than that to keep interested, but just constantly treading water and getting nickeled and dime'd to death fixing band aids and failed short cuts wears people down after awhile.

I guess all I'm saying is that there's a happy medium between the gazillion dollar builds that take a decade and the duct tape and baling wire builds that Freiburger and a few others do for clicks. And honestly that line is probably MUCH closer to Freiburger than it is SEMA, but he absolutely gets away with stuff you couldn't get away with repeatedly in the real world.


It's the bubble gum and duct tape hackery for me... It's the unrealistic we can do x y z for 2k that no realistic person can touch for under 8k just in parts. It's the breakdowns every 10-20 miles over the corners cut to: (Just say a car is back on the road.) "Don't get it right just get it running" That's great, but make it mechanically sound, not well we hope and were gonna try cause were hacks. Guys watch this hacking and think I can do that too. As unrealistic as we want to believe it is, these guys do cut most corners. Yea, it's made for TV, but most of these escapades in automotive foolery are true. Again it ain't gotta be pretty but make dependable.

I dunno about "no realistic person". Like junkyardhero, with takeoff parts and unused acquisitions I could probably go from a bare chassis A-body to a 318/833/8.75 car that would run and drive with literally just stuff I have already. And if that A-body had glass and interior parts on it already then it would be better set up than Freiburger's Duster because it would have all 73+ suspension and brakes.

And I'm not in the business, don't have a blog/podcast/channel or whatever. Just an enthusiast that has a couple too many projects and have pulled a lot of factory parts off of my builds and haven't sold or tossed them.

Doesn't Freiburger usually sell his stuff a lot cheaper than that?

Either way the person buying the car is not buying it so they can restore it. They'll more than likely just keep it the way it is and maintain it or fix the little annoying things that are broken. No one is buying that car so they can do a rotisserie restoration on it. Defeats the purpose of buying a Roadkill car.

Totally. And as long as that person is happy and got what they wanted then it doesn't matter, more power to 'em!

But just looking at that thing, you'd have another $5k into an $8k car you paid $15k for just to fix the "annoying" things that are broken and some of the major issues it has that will kill the car long term. Unless that car sits in a climate controlled garage all the time (and that's not the point right?) then that roof rust will kill that car structurally. Sooner rather than later too.
 
Meaning the average joe that they appeal to, the 1st time classic buyer. The guy who doesn't have 6 storage units full of leftovers and parts stored between family members garages and at work.



I dunno about "no realistic person". Like junkyardhero, with takeoff parts and unused acquisitions I could probably go from a bare chassis A-body to a 318/833/8.75 car that would run and drive with literally just stuff I have already. And if that A-body had glass and interior parts on it already then it would be better set up than Freiburger's Duster because it would have all 73+ suspension and brakes.
 
Needs a top. Half of what he’s asking
Disagree. Not because I’d buy it at his price. But because someone bought it at his price. We always say “it’s worth what someone will pay for it” and it didn’t take long for someone to pay for it.
 
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