Help: Trucks with open diffs with traction or stability control

[my5thmopar]

I retitled this to get more help. I'm old school so, I'm wondering if I'll regret buying a Ram without sure grip. I'm narrowing down trucks and I keep seeing 2018/2019 with anti-spin as they call it now. Limited slip or sure-grip, you know what I mean. My 2002 4x4 Dakota has limited-slip and when I back into the yard, both wheels pull me out without spinning. It seems the new Rams have traction control and electronic stability control....with and without anti-spin. This is a daily driver and rarely off road any more except pulling boat, trailer, tractor in fields occasionally. I usually don't need 4x4 because the sure-grip pulls me out. These new TCS/ECS aren't like the old open diffs so, is anti-spin really needed? I just wondering how the wet road daily driving is with this new technology. (To me). Opinions or comments please. Thanks Craig

 

[Sublime one]

I'm narrowing down trucks and I keep seeing 2018/2019 with anti-spin as they call it now. Limited slip or sure-grip, you know what I mean. My 2002 4x4 Dakota has limited-slip and when I back into the yard, both wheels pull me out without spinning. It seems the new Rams have traction control and electronic stability control....with and without anti-spin. This is a daily driver and rarely off road any more except pulling boat, trailer, tractor in fields occasionally. I usually don't need 4x4 because the sure-grip pulls me out. These new TCS/ECS aren't like the old open diffs so, is anti-spin really needed? Opinions or comments please. Thanks Craig

I have two of them, wife's daily driver and my daily driver. No issues and would not trade for the world, we are in Fargo. Rest assured we use them on snow for about ten months of the year! Hah!

 

[my5thmopar]

I have two of them, wife's daily driver and my daily driver. No issues and would not trade for the world, we are in Fargo. Rest assured we use them on snow for about ten months of the year! Hah!

OK I get it Fargo, I lived in SD for 5 years. SO both have the ECS and no limited slip?:

 

[Sublime one]

OK I get it Fargo, I lived in SD for 5 years. SO both have the ECS and no limited slip?:

One is a 2018 the other a 2016. And I want to say yes?

 

[67Dart273]

I have two of them, wife's daily driver and my daily driver. No issues and would not trade for the world, we are in Fargo. Rest assured we use them on snow for about ten months of the year! Hah!

You have two of them with what? Open differential or limited slip. How does this "anti spin" work? Is it a rename for limited slip, or is it some fancy ABS/ electronic doo dad?

 

[Bodyperson]

You have two of them with what? Open differential or limited slip. How does this "anti spin" work? Is it a rename for limited slip, or is it some fancy ABS/ electronic doo dad?

It applies the brake to the spinning wheel.

 

[dart4forte]

It’s nice to have. Having lived in eastern Washington State the limited slip was a must. High plains desert often had snow and ice on the road during the winter. Now, living in Arizona it comes in handing during monsoon season. Real slippery roads from oils after a heavy rain.

Also, if you are going to tow in the snow it comes in handy.

 

[my5thmopar]

You have two of them with what? Open differential or limited slip. How does this "anti spin" work? Is it a rename for limited slip, or is it some fancy ABS/ electronic doo dad?

It applies the brake to the spinning wheel.

Both kinda. All the newer Rams have Electronic Stability Control ECS like bodyperson said. It’s normally open but If one wheel slips and it applies power to the other side. But...there is an option for limited slip and even electronic locker in addition to the ECS. I’m thinking having both isn’t necessarily needed. Just wondering what others think. Craig

 

[RustyRatRod]

I had an 80 Jeep Wrangler. It had open differentials front and back. But, it had a feature using the ABS that I think worked better than even a locker. If you were offroad and the sensors picked up on wheel slip on one side, the ABS computer kicked on and held that side so the other side got traction. Worked like that front and rear. I never got it stuck and it wasn't for a lack of trying. That system works pretty dang good. I'd make sure whatever vehicle you're looking at has it if it has open differentials.

 

[my5thmopar]

I figure if I really hate the ESC I could put in a sure grip. RRR I understand that’s how the Ram works too. I watched a few videos and browsed the ram forums. Thanks

 

[red67gts]

when I first got my 2014 hemi Ram I took a friend for a ride and got on pavement and nailed it. It was bucking and jumping and I thought wheel hopping but it was throwing power from on side to the other. I learned that I can turn traction control off and it just lays black marks

 

[RustyRatRod]

I figure if I really hate the ESC I could put in a sure grip. RRR I understand that’s how the Ram works too. I watched a few videos and browsed the ram forums. Thanks

I'm tellin you, I was surprised at how well it worked.

 

[Unconventional]

when I first got my 2014 hemi Ram I took a friend for a ride and got on pavement and nailed it. It was bucking and jumping and I thought wheel hopping but it was throwing power from on side to the other. I learned that I can turn traction control off and it just lays black marks

I haven't played with the traction control much on the '13 Ram. It IS hard on drive tires. My right foot having a great deal to do with that. That "Tow" feature turns the truck into a whole different animal. Pretty sure it blocks out 5th and 6th and changes the shift points of the four remaining gears. Kinda fun it is

 

[Ddaddy]

I'm tellin you, I was surprised at how well it worked.

My 2006 Charger SRT8 came from the factory with the 3.06 electronic brake-lock differential (BLD). Open diff with electronic brake controls to stop the spinning wheel and transfer the power to the other side like you describe. It worked great. I drove it 24/7 365 in all weather for 9 years and never had an issue on wet roads, in snow or anywhere else. It would leave twin stripes at the drag strip regularly while warming up the tires.

2 years ago, I swapped it for a 3.92 Getrag true limited slip differential. While the new gears are a lot of fun, Sometimes I miss the control and performance of the BLD. It was a great design and far more suited for street performance driving than the LSD I have now.

The LSD is built for the straight track, the BLD is built for the roads of the real World.

 

[RustyRatRod]

My 2006 Charger SRT8 came from the factory with the 3.06 electronic brake-lock differential (BLD). Open diff with electronic brake controls to stop the spinning wheel and transfer the power to the other side like you describe. It worked great. I drove it 24/7 365 in all weather and never had an issue on wet roads, in snow or anywhere else. It would leave twin stripes at the drag strip regularly while warming up the tires.

2 years ago, I swapped it for a 3.92 Getrag true limited slip differential. While the new gears are a lot of fun, Sometimes I miss the control and performance of the BLD. It was a great design and far more suited for street performance driving than the LSD I have now.

The LSD is built for the straight track, the BLD is built for the roads of the real World.

Brake Lock Diff. That's it. I was havin a brain fart trying to remember what it was. Thanks. lol

 

[my5thmopar]

Did you see my other post asking where are the short beds. I bought one Wednesday without suregrip. No bucking, just a short test of 10ft black marks. No playing until the new truck is broke in. In the rain tonight and no traction issues. Craig