If LED light bulbs have a bazillion year life span, then why have I changed more worn-out LED light bulbs in the past ten months than I have incandescent light bulbs in the last ten years... The all-new LED street lights in my town that my higher property taxes have paid for, all turned purple. Outside LED lights go dim in cold weather. And the motion-detector LED lights with a 100 foot range actually have a useless five foot range.... My car's rear third brake light burned out, instead of replacing a $2.00 incandescent bulb in the brake light, I have no choice but to buy the whole assembly for $275. But people still keep buying LED lights because they've fallen for the lie that they will save you money and energy.... Ahhh, no... I'm going back to incandescent lights.
How many LED light bulbs do you have to replace before you realize you've been duped?
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Because you're buying crappy brands. We have the same trouble. We buy from the dollar stores and walmart. But now, I'm talking about household bulbs. I bet @slantsixdan can tell us some decent brands.
340six
King Of Bling
That is the normal thing. Government spending a dolla to save a dime. And meet new mandates they created
I had led in my garage door opener but send out a signal so don't turn off. They said I need special bulbs that do not mess with the opener. Or I couod use incandescent.
But have to be sent out with LED. The long life LED burnt out. You know the ones that don't really have a long life. Most of the new stuff is crap
70SwingerGuy
Long Haired Freaky Person
I had discussed this with Dan a bit ago because my new LED bulbs that I put in my cluster werent, in my opinion, as bright as an LED should be. Of course these bulbs were cheap, but I didnt know any better at the time. Dan recommended that I get Philips Ultinon's, which I did. These bulbs are NOT cheap, but wow, what a difference, in both quality of build and brightness. I highly recommend them.
Because Always The Low Price…Always!
It's like anything else: buy crap, get crap.
Phosphor failure. We had that happen here, too, because the city/municipality/wtvr bought crap and got crap. At least here, the vendor had enough legitimacy (and the city had a well-enough written contract) that the vendor wound up replacing all the failed lamps with ones that have already lasted way longer, with no signs of dying soon.
Nope, Fluorescents do that. LEDs tend to be brighter when cold, dimmer when hot. In a well-designed lamp, this tendency is managed out of the performance of the finished assembly by appropriate driver design.
Buy crap, get crap. Cheap-*** motion sensor lights (Heath-Zenith and the like) have always been garbage, even when they were the kind you could diagnose by removing a bulb and shaking it next to your ear.
Well, that sucks, and y'know what it proves? Buy crap, get crap applies even if you're an automaker.
Never heard of a wrecking yard, eBay, car-part.com , hollanderparts.com …?
Some people take twenty-nine seconds to be not quite so completely, abjectly, utterly ignorant before they run their mouth on a subject. Other people prefer to rant and froth about imaginary lies. It's your thang; do whatchya gotta do.
Go right on ahead, if you like. Spend a buncha money to hoard fragile, short-lived bulbs 98 per cent better at heating than at lighting.
Careful, though. The majority of the Philips "LED Bulbs" for cars are useless junk, no matter what the price. The only worthy ones they make are the red, amber, and white replacements for 194 - 168 - W5W all-glass wedge-base peanut bulbs…and then only for dashboard lights, not for exterior lights.
Philips has some decent-to-good LED household bulbs. Feit has a lot of good ones that tend to be nice and durable.
grimreaper
Cross Member
Ya I have finally migrated all the incandescent bulbs in the house to LED. I still have a few packages for the Feit bulbs that used to say 30 year life expectancy which were pretty spendy at the time. The new ones say 10 years. Hah!, I have had to replace them pretty regularly once per year. I love the light they put out but not the longevity.
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I personally like the LED changeover. They are bright, they don't get hot, they don't use a lot of energy. What's not to love? Just get a quality brand.
These are much better, if you're going for 60w-equivalent bulbs. Looks like you can get them at Home Despot. That's the 3000K "bright white" version, which is pretty close to a halogen bulb; a good go-to for most parts of the home including kitchen, dining room, porch lights, hallways, etc. The 2700K "soft white" is a warmer tone, closer to a non-halogen bulb—those are good in bedrooms. 5000K "daylight white" is a cold/blue white; some people like these for laundry rooms, garages, etc, but they're a poor choice for kitchens, dining rooms, living rooms, etc.
A high colour rendering index (CRI) is really important for making the light livable. Poor CRI—below 90; most ordinary LED bulbs are 82 or so—muddies colours. People look like zombies, food looks unappetizing, some colours almost drain out completely. Flicker's really important, too for livable-quality light. Even if you can't consciously perceive an LED bulb's flicker, it'll still mess with you; some people are more affected than others. A dimmable LED bulb isn't necessarily less flickery, but often they are as a byproduct of the more sophisticated driver required to make them dimmable.
You've left a strange reply because the conversation is not about flourescent lights, but I do applaud your adamant defense of junk LED light bulbs.
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What's not to love? Didn't you read that the previous poster before you is saying they have to be replaced every year, which is about ten times more often than an incandescent light?
Yeah and didn't you read more than one post saying to buy actual good quality bulbs? What a dumb thing for you to say.
I can’t speak for auto LEDs,,,but I can for the ones in my home .
The best investment I’ve made in quite a while .
I have replaced a few,,,,but they have been in for almost 20 years now .
And they had a lot of hours on them ,,,,,wife and kids believed in letting them burn !
They were pricey back then,,,,but after I did one room,,,,and then next month would do another,,,I was able to afford them then .
I did a room at a time,,,,( ceiling fan multiple lights ),,,,and the kitchen chandelier .
Later I replaced her globe bulbs in her bath,,,, (many bulbs for makeup and hair styling.)
And then the spot lights in our track lighting in the utility room,,,,excellent cost savings there .
Lastly I replaced the outside flood lights with LEDs .
Tommy
The best investment I’ve made in quite a while .
I have replaced a few,,,,but they have been in for almost 20 years now .
And they had a lot of hours on them ,,,,,wife and kids believed in letting them burn !
They were pricey back then,,,,but after I did one room,,,,and then next month would do another,,,I was able to afford them then .
I did a room at a time,,,,( ceiling fan multiple lights ),,,,and the kitchen chandelier .
Later I replaced her globe bulbs in her bath,,,, (many bulbs for makeup and hair styling.)
And then the spot lights in our track lighting in the utility room,,,,excellent cost savings there .
Lastly I replaced the outside flood lights with LEDs .
Tommy
I've had really good luck with LEDs.
I learned during the CFL period that Phillips was generally CRAP.
I had much better luck with upstart Feit, and that carried over into LEDs.
I started replacing the T40 and T8 fluorescents at my shop complex with relatively cheap Rural King brand 4500 lumen LEDs around 2018 and have only had one fail.
My house is now 75% LED 20% CFL and still 5% incandescent.
I can't remember the last time I replaced a burned out/ failed bulb.
Some are from before you could get "warm" spectrum in LED.
All that said, I don't have them in my cars.
I tried Brake/Tail lights on my 73 (1157 replacement), but they didn't fit in the sockets correctly and I could only ever get one to light up.
I've since learned I need a solid state flasher.
I learned during the CFL period that Phillips was generally CRAP.
I had much better luck with upstart Feit, and that carried over into LEDs.
I started replacing the T40 and T8 fluorescents at my shop complex with relatively cheap Rural King brand 4500 lumen LEDs around 2018 and have only had one fail.
My house is now 75% LED 20% CFL and still 5% incandescent.
I can't remember the last time I replaced a burned out/ failed bulb.
Some are from before you could get "warm" spectrum in LED.
All that said, I don't have them in my cars.
I tried Brake/Tail lights on my 73 (1157 replacement), but they didn't fit in the sockets correctly and I could only ever get one to light up.
I've since learned I need a solid state flasher.
Vanity bulbs were HIGH on my target list as my lovely wife also left them on.
Our MBA has 8 and IIRC 2 are still CFL.
But 8x 40w is WAY worse than 2x13 plus 6x8
I just replaced them as they burned out back when CFLs were about $8.
The CFL to LED transition happened before I got all of them replaced.
That's also when I leaned that Phillips was crap.
I had a 33% failure rate and their "help" website crashed on every entry.
Nope, looks like not. Keep on tryin', bless yer heart.
Ok, so pay $35 for "good" LED bulbs that last 5 years instead of one year, or pay $3 for incandescent lights that last ten years. That makes alot of sense. Got it...
Tom, you clearly flunked grammar school comprehension. You didn't see me recommend a product or a price.
No he didn't. His reply was to the poster who said LEDs perform badly in cold weather. Dan was saying that no they don't and then went on to tell the poster that florescent bulbs actually do. Gosh Tom, you've got a long way to go with this comprehension stuff.
CFLs: barf. Piss-poor light quality (tons of flicker; CRI in the 70s). They've always sucked; they were a stepping stone/holding cell until LED technology was ready.
Long-life incandescents still have a much shorter MTBF (mean time before failure) than decent LEDs, and are even less efficient than regular-life incandescents.
None of this is a matter of opinion. The opinions come in afterward: "Yes, CFLs suck, but they're good enough for [application]". "Yes, incandescents are short-lived and inefficient, but I prefer them because [whatever]".
Long-life incandescents still have a much shorter MTBF (mean time before failure) than decent LEDs, and are even less efficient than regular-life incandescents.
None of this is a matter of opinion. The opinions come in afterward: "Yes, CFLs suck, but they're good enough for [application]". "Yes, incandescents are short-lived and inefficient, but I prefer them because [whatever]".
I really like CFLs in one application. Bathroom. When I get up in the middle of the night to go the bathroom (yes I am an old guy) it is really nice that they start off a little dim and brighten up gradually. Easier on the eyes. Now get off my lawn……
A-Body III
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I'm still looking for the energy savings from LED's, energy efficient appliances, higher seer rated heat pumps, and of course, Daylight Savings time. My energy usage and cost continues to rise.
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