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How I found it (1st post) and tech details (4th) here.
It's a Different Kind of Factory Mini-Starter, Charlie Brown!
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That's a great find! It looks very similar to the starters on the first gen Cummins trucks. I especially like that it has the wiring lugs in the mostly correct position for B engines, at least more so than when wiring a Denso starter in an early B body.
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Cool stuff, Dan. Thanks for sharing, as always.
Sorry Dan. The link does not work where I’m at. 
I followed the link to the slant 6 forum and then the link to amazon to check it out and it said unavailable , we dont know when or if it will be back in stock. Is there an alternative source? Thanks for posting, it looks like a great starter.
Went to Total Power parts and found it. Starter For Dodge Dakota, Durango, Ram 1500 Van 1999-2003 6004AA4000; 410-24200
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Doesn’t fit big block, BTDT.
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What's it hit?
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The block
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Good info Dan, thanks for the post!
Do you need to bushen that one hole?
Pretty good deal but what is the advantage over a typical gear starter for like a 96 Dakota like I’m used to buy for small block? Sorry I still cannot get info, my browser is not allowing me access due to safety concerns. Ugh! I’m not a fan of most technology.
Pretty good deal but what is the advantage over a typical gear starter for like a 96 Dakota like I’m used to buy for small block? Sorry I still cannot get info, my browser is not allowing me access due to safety concerns. Ugh! I’m not a fan of most technology.
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I believe you, but I'm having a hard time picturing it. Is it the solenoid that hits the block, or the starter frame? If it's the solenoid, I'm guessing it's a "one or the other" deal: either the Mitsubishi starter ('05-'08 Ram 5.7 Hemi) will fit and the Bosch one won't, or vice versa.
I don't know if it was the exact starter you linked to , but the body of my starter hit the block and cocked the starter over. Grinding the block was a quick, easy fix , plenty of meat there. A pic from the net for reference. The scooped out area on the block for starter clearance, take off a little more material.
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It’s been 5 or so years so I’m not sure. I had the standard nippon Denso mini that I use in everything so I swapped it in and sent the Hemi starter back to rock auto.
Wither the highland park hummingbird.
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But the "different kind of mini starter" this thread is about is not the '05-'08 Hemi/MT starter. Looking at the block pic, I can imagine where that starter would hit…and I think the Bosch one this thread is about, would not.
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I like the mini. Pulled one from wrecking yard 20 yrs ago and it still works.
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They're been giving 503 error messages lately from time to time.
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Yeah, I think the site needs its valves adjusted or something.
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(Copying the tech info and pics over from .org):
This Bosch starter's main body is ~same diameter as the other starters, and slightly longer than the 56029274AA '05-'08 Ram Hemi/MT starter made by Mitsubishi (not as much longer as it looks; the different division between steel motor frame and aluminum front casting creates the illusion of much longer).
Its solenoid is clocked such that on a Slant-6 it protrudes outboard more than the block-hugging one on the Ram Hemi starter — this is probably what also makes the Hemi Ram starter not fit B-motors, which looks to me like the opposite-clocked solenoid on the Bosch starter would enable a B-motor fit.
Cranking speed (i.e., starter torque) is audibly higher than any other starter I'm aware of that'll bolt onto a '62-'02 RWD Mopar:
This Bosch-type starter's power rating is 1.8 kW, which is a whomping 2.4+ horsepower. Compare the first-design Chrysler geared starter (1.3 hp), the second design (1.5 hp) and the extra-big 3rd design (1.8 hp), and the Nippon/Denso unit everyone thinks of when you say "mini starter" at 1.9 hp. The Hemi/MT item is 1.7 kW (just under 2.3 hp). So with the Bosch starter you're gonna win the starter-horsepower bench race every time.
Other than bragging rights, this kind of extreme starter power is unlikely to be actually needed on a Slant-6 application or on most V8s; for high-compression motors I can see it being a real nice alternative to spending hundreds of dollars on an aftermarket hot rod starter (Powermaster, etc).
One advantage of this starter over the Hemi Ram item is that it just bolts right on. Drop in and go. You don't have to drill out threaded holes or (on a 6-cylinder install) buy a special countersink bolt as the Hemi Ram starter requires.
For what it's worth, Amminazon thinks it weighs 9 pounds, 5 ounces.
Here's 10+ availability at a pretty nice price.
Pics (Chrysler, Bosch, Mitsubishi, Nippon/Denso):
This Bosch starter's main body is ~same diameter as the other starters, and slightly longer than the 56029274AA '05-'08 Ram Hemi/MT starter made by Mitsubishi (not as much longer as it looks; the different division between steel motor frame and aluminum front casting creates the illusion of much longer).
Its solenoid is clocked such that on a Slant-6 it protrudes outboard more than the block-hugging one on the Ram Hemi starter — this is probably what also makes the Hemi Ram starter not fit B-motors, which looks to me like the opposite-clocked solenoid on the Bosch starter would enable a B-motor fit.
Cranking speed (i.e., starter torque) is audibly higher than any other starter I'm aware of that'll bolt onto a '62-'02 RWD Mopar:
This Bosch-type starter's power rating is 1.8 kW, which is a whomping 2.4+ horsepower. Compare the first-design Chrysler geared starter (1.3 hp), the second design (1.5 hp) and the extra-big 3rd design (1.8 hp), and the Nippon/Denso unit everyone thinks of when you say "mini starter" at 1.9 hp. The Hemi/MT item is 1.7 kW (just under 2.3 hp). So with the Bosch starter you're gonna win the starter-horsepower bench race every time.
Other than bragging rights, this kind of extreme starter power is unlikely to be actually needed on a Slant-6 application or on most V8s; for high-compression motors I can see it being a real nice alternative to spending hundreds of dollars on an aftermarket hot rod starter (Powermaster, etc).
One advantage of this starter over the Hemi Ram item is that it just bolts right on. Drop in and go. You don't have to drill out threaded holes or (on a 6-cylinder install) buy a special countersink bolt as the Hemi Ram starter requires.
For what it's worth, Amminazon thinks it weighs 9 pounds, 5 ounces.
Here's 10+ availability at a pretty nice price.
Pics (Chrysler, Bosch, Mitsubishi, Nippon/Denso):
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If going on a SB, the longer body may be an issue with Dougs and tti headers.
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Boy that bosch really spins er up
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Honest? A good one of those is always going to be my first choice unless I'm forced to choose otherwise. It's bigger, heavier, less powerful, and less durable…and one of the first things I learned in this world is that's what a car being cranked is supposed to sound like.
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