New cooling system, still overheating.

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All these numbers are off a immediately turned off engine that was driving around town for 45 mins or so

Top Rad Hose near thermostat 200
Top Rad Hose near rad inlet 180
Bottom Rad Hose 166
Water Pump inlet 155
Intake to Pump hose 199
Front side driver's head 224
Front side pass head 211 (several mins after drivers)
Pass exhaust 266
front of carb 138
Rad cap 113
Top of Plastic Rad Tank each side of Cap 186
Aluminum Intake 219

They didn't have the leakdown tester so couldn't do that.
But as I started my truck to back out of Autozone, clouds of white smoke came out like I was stoking a beehive.
And it stumbles when I first start it up. To me, that sounds like it has water in the cylinders.
I don't want it to be, but it sounds like it is.

These are normal operating temperatures. I set my twin fan thermostats using a heat gun and these are just below the temps the temps I have the second fan kick in.

You want a Leak Down tester to identify the problem. It uses your compressor to push air into the cylinder and you will hear it come out of what ever has the leak, the intake, the exhaust, the radiator will bubble etc. It will tell you what percent of the air is leaking out of a given cylinder.

Better yet, where did you say the white smoke was coming out of? It's not from the radiator overflow tube/bottle is it?

If it's near the heads/block then just pull the heads, have them magnafluxed, decked to straighten them and get a valve job done. It would be a good time to put on a new quality double roller timing chain and gears as well.

Which ever cylinder it was, it will be spotlessly clean in that one. Be sure to clean the block deck surface well and check for cracks along the surface, especially between or next to bolt holes.

Either that, or pour in a pre-mixed with water cup of aluma-seal radiator sealant. Use the powdered kind, but be sure to mix it with some water, stir it well and pour it in the radiator on a cold running engine. Don't just pour the powder into the radiator!!! Then drive for a half hour at highway and around town speeds. That may take car of the leak as well. I've seen it happen.
 
On my last set of heads, I had white smoke out the exhaust.. Found it was a small pinhole under the intake valve allowing antifreeze into the combustion chamber. While running, that cylinders exhaust header temp was significantly less than the other 7, so I knew which cylinder to examine further.
 
Better yet, where did you say the white smoke was coming out of? It's not from the radiator overflow tube/bottle is it?

If it's near the heads/block then just pull the heads, have them magnafluxed, decked to straighten them and get a valve job done. It would be a good time to put on a new quality double roller timing chain and gears as well.

white smoke out the tail pipes
im not messing with these stock heads anymore
if i have to get heads done i will scrimp and save for a set of EngineQuest

truck did not overheat on the way home yesterday or the way into work today
it is still hard to start tho
i can tell it is water (something non-combustible) in the cylinders as it is that slow gurggly rumble until i pump more fuel in the cylinder than water so it can combust
 
On my last set of heads, I had white smoke out the exhaust.. Found it was a small pinhole under the intake valve allowing antifreeze into the combustion chamber. While running, that cylinders exhaust header temp was significantly less than the other 7, so I knew which cylinder to examine further.

i hope it is something as simple as this.
im not prepared to do a topend teardown like NOW
maybe in 3-4 months, but not NOW

problem with getting temp readings from around spark plugs is the exhaust manifold heat skews the readings
i will try it tonight tho
 
I hadn't read that motor was shut off when readings were taken, in my previous post..

I would suggest when you get it up to temp,, measure the temp between the top and bottom rad connections.. there should be a significant diff... and as mentioned, check for cold areas..

Then go measure temps of vehicles avail to you at running temp,, compare for yourself..

hope it helps
 
Every time I install a new radiator, a newly rebuilt engine or tear into the water pump area. I use a small section of hardware cloth= stiff screen with holes big enough to stick the full sized small ink tube of a ball point pen through the holes or slightly larger. It's available at almost any hardware store. Shaped over something the size of a shot glass, so it will fit inside the upper radiator inlet about 2 1/2 inches. Leave enough to fold the extra over the outside of the inlet to secure it in place when the upper hose is put back on to keep the formed screen from making its way into the radiator. A 1/2 inch of folded back screen will be as small and as far back over the outside of the radiator upper inlet as you would want it to go. They sell these screens commercially, but for like $25 or $30 bucks, or make your own for a few cents. Slide the upper radiator hose over the outer screen and tighten up the clamp just beyond the ends of the screen. Start and run your car through several heat cycles. Check the screen right after the first heat cycle to insure you haven't caught so much gunk that the screen is clogging and will block all flow of water into the radiator. You can start the car cold with the radiator cap off and watch * feel the flow of warm/hot water coming past the thermostat. If the flow suddenly diminishes or slows dramatically, the screen could be filling up quickly. Let the car cool, remove the screen, clean it and re-install it, and then increase your cleaning intervals to match the amount of debris it's catching. You might be amazed at what it catches, even out of a seriously cleaned out block that's already been on a dyno. I left mine in for about a week before removing it, as it stopped picking up particles of debris. Once I was done, I had nearly a half a coffee cup full of debris ranging from gooey white aluminum corrosion to chicks of rusty cast iron and gosh knows what else! All this would be in the cooling tubes of my new radiator had I not taken this simple precaution. Best to use reverse osmosis water with high quality coolant. Deionized water has all the minerals taken out of it and it is hungry for some minerals. That's why its such a good final rinse when used in a Hudson Type sprayer after washing your car. It removes almost all the hard water spots before you can dry thee car. I also added the radiator cap mounted (by a small chain) anode from Napa to help neutralize any electrolysis. All my electrolysis stopped after about 3 days with this contraption. I use radiator PH test strips to verify the condition of my coolant these days, especially with the increased use of aluminum parts along with the cast iron. Part of your troubleshooting should be to pull your radiator tip it upside down and back flush it with a garden hose. Use rags and the radiator cap to plug the openings and a rag wrapped around the hose to build up some pressure before you pull the bottom "plugs" out, so you really get some water flushing the crude out of the top of your cooling tubes inside the radiator. Also pull your thermostat when the radiator is out, and using a rag wrapped around the hose, back flush your block and heater core for 10 or 15 minutes. If you have any lower block plugs you can unscrew to assist with the flushing process, remove them too. The comments from the guys above are also great suggestions. Get yourself one of those inexpensive laser heat detector guns at Harbor Freight and use it. Check before and after the thermostat, the engine in various areas and the radiator and hoses. Publish the results on here. There are a lot of smart people on this site, some smart in their heads and some on the other end...lol Learn the heat flow of your engine, so you can tell where and when something is going wrong in the future....once you get this fixed first of course. Good luck.

Thanks. That's good information. I'm going following your suggestions when I install my new engine.
 
I hadn't read that motor was shut off when readings were taken, in my previous post..

I would suggest when you get it up to temp,, measure the temp between the top and bottom rad connections.. there should be a significant diff... and as mentioned, check for cold areas..

Then go measure temps of vehicles avail to you at running temp,, compare for yourself..

hope it helps


Will do.
But the motor was only shut off for less than a minute before I got these readings.
Also, I had already been driving for about 45 mins in stop-n-go city traffic (ambient temp yesterday was about 90 or 95) so I'm sure it was more than warmed up.
I will try my wife's car when she gets home tonight as well for comparison.
 
So, I had my engine rebuilt in Jan 2012. Put about 15 - 20 thou on it. June 2013 it iverheated because the radiator went bad so I put in a 26 inch 3 row Champion. Then a few weeks ago I started seeing rust in the coolant. Then full on blockage as top tube could not push coolant into rad.
So, buy another radiator, change thermostat, put on brand new water pump. New top tube and lower tube this weekend as well.


Still overheating.

Although now, top tube is just barely hot and bottom tube is just warm, so that lets me know rad is working.

Sounds like I have a busted head gasket to me but I wanted to run it by others.
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