New Satin black paint found

[70SwingerGuy]

Continuing my quest for a good 2 part satin black exterior paint for hood, wing, etc, I just came across a new product by PPG, Ditzler Hot Rod Black. It seems to check all the boxes for the exterior satin finish I/we desire, AND more readily available than SEM Hot Rod Black(in my area anyways).
Has any painter out there had any experience with it yet? Im really curious cause I think this is what Im gonna go with.
Heres a link to it on Amazon
Thanks guys
Edit: Ive since learned that PPG released this paint a while ago, its not really new. Oops

 

[Oldmanmopar]

I just got a Demon back from Paint. They used hot rod black on the hood and dash. I had 2 Dashes painted . One will be repainted with crossfire.

The black looks OK just don't rub it wipe it or get anything on it It is not Durable at all. And don't get wax on it!

Hot rod on the Demon and crossfire on the Dusters. The Dusters were on for 10 and 4 years . The Crossfire is the most durable I have ever used . You can wipe it off dry. Does not water spot or stain. Bugs don't damage it or stain. You can wax it. Matches vinyl stripes perfect.

I will never use Hot rod black on anything after seeing this on the Demon. Set your bare arm on the duster fender wipe it off and no mark. Set it on the Demon and you'll be washing the car.

Todd got a drop of oil on the hood of the Dennon. Wiped off the drop and had to wipe the whole hood because you could see where you wiped it from rub marks.

 

[BrianT]

This hood was painted with Ditzler Hot Rod black 7 years ago. My painter friend had it laying around so we used it. I can't say anything bad about it. Paint held up well.

 

[Syleng1]

What happened to the process of adding “eggshell” to black gloss? It was a process used back in the 70’s and 80’s to give the same effect about the time Centari (DuPont) was popular with the additive 2000 Gardner pack to create a eurothain enamel.

The issue was always once you did a satin black or flat black it was no wax or chemicals period. Sometimes it was more trouble than worth.

I’m getting ready to start my Demon and gathering info and not a fan of all this “hot rod black.” It seems cheap and over done. (My opinion only)
Durable is what I’m after.

 

[doug 371]

Anything ppg is good

 

[Moparone]

Hot Rod Black is what we used as well, came out great

 

[Cuda416]

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Sorry for the basic question, but not being a painter, is that formula for a specific brand or is that what I'd hand my local paint supplier and it would be good to go?

 

[Oldmanmopar]

Hot Rod Black is what we used as well, came out great

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the gold Demon looks great to. Give the Hot rod black time and you'll see it takes special care to keep it nice. The Crossfire is really durable and needs no preventive care from spotting or scuffing. The brand I used was Martin senior .

One thing I notice being the V24 cars having paint on the doors your arm out the window or inside does not Does not show marks. I also use it on the dash and top and bottom of the interior doors where required on these cars.

 

[Oldmanmopar]

What happened to the process of adding “eggshell” to black gloss? It was a process used back in the 70’s and 80’s to give the same effect about the time Centari (DuPont) was popular with the additive 2000 Gardner pack to create a eurothain enamel.

The issue was always once you did a satin black or flat black it was no wax or chemicals period. Sometimes it was more trouble than worth.

I’m getting ready to start my Demon and gathering info and not a fan of all this “hot rod black.” It seems cheap and over done. (My opinion only)
Durable is what I’m after.

I remember that stuff it was a flattener. When I asked for it some years back at the Jacobs paint supplier this is what they told me to get. My local NAPA mixed it for me. Local Jacobs did not have the Formula. Again it is Martin senior Black out . Look at the mix date on the label. That is how long I have been using it.

 

[mopowers]

Sorry for the basic question, but not being a painter, is that formula for a specific brand or is that what I'd hand my local paint supplier and it would be good to go?

All your paint supplier should need is a paint code and model year if it ever changed from year to year.

 

[6PKRTSE]

For my Super Shaker bubble and base. My local paint store mixed up the satin black for me and they added a UV protector to keep it from fading or discoloring over time.

 

[Dart Frog]

My car also received the ditzler paint and I have no complaints it's been on for approximately 4 years. I believe it to be very factory correct in its appearance. You do have to pamper it a little it doesn't like any oily contact like sweaty hands etc will smudge. I use a damp cloth and spray Wax about every three times I wash the car wipe it down lightly and voila!

 

[70SwingerGuy]

I just got a Demon back from Paint. They used hot rod black on the hood and dash. I had 2 Dashes painted . One will be repainted with crossfire.

The black looks OK just don't rub it wipe it or get anything on it It is not Durable at all. And don't get wax on it!

Hot rod on the Demon and crossfire on the Dusters. The Dusters were on for 10 and 4 years . The Crossfire is the most durable I have ever used . You can wipe it off dry. Does not water spot or stain. Bugs don't damage it or stain. You can wax it. Matches vinyl stripes perfect.

I will never use Hot rod black on anything after seeing this on the Demon. Set your bare arm on the duster fender wipe it off and no mark. Set it on the Demon and you'll be washing the car.

Todd got a drop of oil on the hood of the Dennon. Wiped off the drop and had to wipe the whole hood because you could see where you wiped it from rub marks.



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Thanks for the info. What brand of hot rod black did you use though? There are different makers using the same name. And I've never heard of crossfire, what is that?

 

[Oldmanmopar]

Thanks for the info. What brand of hot rod black did you use though? There are different makers using the same name. And I've never heard of crossfire, what is that?

Like I said another shop painted the Demon due to me having throat cancer in the past so I don't know the brand they used. But Cross fire is pictured on the label posted above . But you would have seen that if you would have looked. I also stated the brand is Martin senior.

 

[MMissile]

We put that on the tail of my `cuda, a decade ago. Great for cleaning.

 

[doug 371]

Back in the mid 90's sikkens had a color called school bus black for doing the hoods and stuff

 

[70SwingerGuy]

Back in the mid 90's sikkens had a color called school bus black for doing the hoods and stuff

Standox has/used to have a product called Rallye Black that was great for it too

 

[70SwingerGuy]

Like I said another shop painted the Demon due to me having throat cancer in the past so I don't know the brand they used.

Thank you, that answered my question about that, so you can't compare it to PPG since you don't know what was used.

But Cross fire is pictured on the label posted above .

Yes I know it was on the label, but that does not answer my question about what "crossfire" is

But you would have seen that if you would have looked.

I did look, but nowhere on that label does it say what crossfire is, is it a flattening agent? A toner? Is it a formula name? Cause it looks like it could be either. It also says Crossfire Silver on the label.

I also stated the brand is Martin senior.

So what, is crossfire Martin's name for a satin black?
I simply asked you what crossfire is. As for the paint formula listed, it shows crossfire on the formula as what I would consider a toner, but also in the paint name as crossfire silver. You can tell me the brand of paint used for the formula, which of course I saw, but it still does not answer my initial question of what "crossfire" is. You said you used crossfire as a paint, and would use it again, that tells me that its supposedly a paint system
But of course you would have known that if you actually read and understood my question to you instead of just giving me a snarky response.

 

[Oldmanmopar]

Crossfire is when you are in the middle of one or two shooting at each other. LOL

I mentioned crossfire because that is what the label says. I called the shop and he bought the HR black at Jacobs auto supply Its PPG.

Why I prefer The "crossfire black out" is it matches the semi gloss stripes perfect, It even reflects silver like the stripes looking at it at an angle. Ernie the shop that painted the Demon also painted the brown Duster. I gave him the paint for the Duster . His supplier delivered the HR black so he used it on the Demon. He also stated he did not care for the HR black compared to the crossfire black out.

I believe your are just being an asshole . How the **** would I know why they call it crossfire. I am not a Chemist

I am 70 years old and have been a painter my whole life . I always used Flattener it was like a white chalk additive. I was turned on to this crossfire black out when I painted my orange Duster 10 years ago and have used it since. It is a much better finish then HR black. And I really don't give a **** if you use it or not. I passed the info on so maybe someone will try it.

I know your car is already painted and no one ever wants to admit there could be a better product. Have a nice day.


What is Cross Fire? Give me a break and read the label . Looks like a flattener to me.

 

[70SwingerGuy]

I believe your are just being an asshole . How the **** would I know why they call it crossfire. I am not a Chemist

An asshole?? I just asked a simple question, all you had to say was you dont know what it is, but now you're resorting to name calling, dont think its me being the asshole here pal.

I am 70 years old and have been a painter my whole life . I always used Flattener it was like a white chalk additive. I was turned on to this crossfire black out when I painted my orange Duster 10 years ago and have used it since. It is a much better finish then HR black. And I really don't give a **** if you use it or not. I passed the info on so maybe someone will try it.

I know your car is already painted and no one ever wants to admit there could be a better product. Have a nice day.

You are wrong, my car is painted yes, but an amateur painted it and I am getting a former apprentice of mine to repaint it for me since I am no longer in the shop(I was a painter for years as well). I want to use the best products available, Im not one of these guys who has to stick to one particular brand of paint. Ive sprayed many different kinds of paint in my day and there are lots of good companies out there, as well as some shitty ones. That was the whole purpose of my post, to see if the Ditzler is a good product since Ive never sprayed it before.

What is Cross Fire? Give me a break and read the label . Looks like a flattener to me.

Ok, I get it, you dont know what it means, all you had to say.
Have a nice day as well.

 

[mopowers]

An asshole?? I just asked a simple question, all you had to say was you dont know what it is, but now you're resorting to name calling, dont think its me being the asshole here pal.

You are wrong, my car is painted yes, but an amateur painted it and I am getting a former apprentice of mine to repaint it for me since I am no longer in the shop(I was a painter for years as well). I want to use the best products available, Im not one of these guys who has to stick to one particular brand of paint. Ive sprayed many different kinds of paint in my day and there are lots of good companies out there, as well as some shitty ones. That was the whole purpose of my post, to see if the Ditzler is a good product since Ive never sprayed it before.

Ok, I get it, you dont know what it means, all you had to say.
Have a nice day as well.

I had trouble following what you were referring to until I unblocked the photos above. According to google, Crossfire is just a brand of Martin Senour acrylic enamel paints.

I'm in the same boat though - looking for a decent quality satin black paint to paint a hood. I was probably just going to swing by the local paint store to see what they can mix up in a single stage arcylic urethane in the same line I'm using on the rest of the car, which happens to be Auto Aura. It's a budget line, but seems to spray and cover very well. Time will tell how long is lasts.

Too many people say "I used hotrod black," etc. without stating which one. Since almost every paint brand has a "hotrod black," it's not exactly useful information.

 

[70SwingerGuy]

I had trouble following what you were referring to until I unblocked the photos above. According to google, Crossfire is just a brand of Martin Senour acrylic enamel paints.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Thanks for the info, guess I could have googled it, but I thought I could get a simple answer easily through here, but I guess I was wrong! haha

I'm in the same boat though - looking for a decent quality satin black paint to paint a hood. I was probably just going to swing by the local paint store to see what they can mix up in a single stage arcylic urethane in the same line I'm using on the rest of the car, which happens to be Auto Aura. It's a budget line, but seems to spray and cover very well. Time will tell how long is lasts.

And Im looking for a good looking product that will last, doesnt matter the brand, but I usually stay away from low cost or budget paints, you usually get what you pay for. I hope the Auto Aura you used works out well for you.
I have heard good things about the PPG Ditzler, so Im pretty sure that this is what I will go with, and the PPG line of paint is a top quality brand, and readily available.
To me, its worth it to buy a product specifically made for the satin sheen that we are after, rather than have a paint store try to flatten to match what you are after.

Too many people say "I used hotrod black," etc. without stating which one. Since almost every paint brand has a "hotrod black," it's not exactly useful information

Exactly! Im glad you got that too. Its like saying, "I painted a metallic silver on a car once and it went all mottled, so Im never going to paint metallic silver ever again". Im glad some posters here stated specifically that the ditzler hot rod black worked out well for them, thats what I was hoping to hear.

 

[mopowers]

Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Thanks for the info, guess I could have googled it, but I thought I could get a simple answer easily through here, but I guess I was wrong! haha

And Im looking for a good looking product that will last, doesnt matter the brand, but I usually stay away from low cost or budget paints, you usually get what you pay for. I hope the Auto Aura you used works out well for you.
I have heard good things about the PPG Ditzler, so Im pretty sure that this is what I will go with, and the PPG line of paint is a top quality brand, and readily available.
To me, its worth it to buy a product specifically made for the satin sheen that we are after, rather than have a paint store try to flatten to match what you are after.

Exactly! Im glad you got that too. Its like saying, "I painted a metallic silver on a car once and it went all mottled, so Im never going to paint metallic silver ever again". Im glad some posters here stated specifically that the ditzler hot rod black worked out well for them, thats what I was hoping to hear.

Lots of local guys have used Auto Aura with great results, so I'm not too worried. I put it in the same category as PPG Shopline, but it seems to cover quite a bit better. It'll be just fine for a hotrod.

Please keep us updated on what you end up using! I'm sure lots of people are in the same boat and would appreciate the review on whatever you end up using.

 

[70SwingerGuy]

Lots of local guys have used Auto Aura with great results, so I'm not too worried. I put it in the same category as PPG Shopline, but it seems to cover quite a bit better. It'll be just fine for a hotrod.

Please keep us updated on what you end up using! I'm sure lots of people are in the same boat and would appreciate the review on whatever you end up using.

Thats good to hear, Ive never heard of that system, but that doesnt mean that its not good!
I will keep you updated on what I use and how it turns out, Ill be using it not only on the hood, but the doors, dash, steering column and wing as well, so Ill have lots to report

 

[Oldmanmopar]

I have sprayed all types of paint at shops and at my own shop except water base . I was also a finish spray paimter on the cab line at "Mack trucks". This "Black out'" which is called cross fire silver is the best I have seen. Buy the different types and do spray outs and you'll see.

When spraying this crossfire silver/Black out, it goes on thin and covers in 2 coats. No molting at all it is not metallic. I was amazed at the finish even with my cheap primer gun. There was little to no tape edge seen and you could not feel it. Also perfect on Dash frames. All I can say is I don't know why they call it crossfire silver . It is Black and really durable.

I just put the dash together for the Gold Demon. On a table, face down on soft bath towels. The dash was here after paint for over two months , it came back in paint with the car. The Hot rod black on it has evident rub marks just from sitting on the towels while being assembled. That is why I am having the Winchester gray Demons dash repainted with Black out for Wayne's car. It is a much better look and you can't put rub marks in if you tried

I took My car everywhere to shows and races. I would wipe it off between rounds with a dry cloth and no issues with marking it. The car was painted orange with single stage. 600 then an expensive euro clear. I had clear vinyl wrap on the quarters and rockers so the rubber wouldn't stick.

After many passes at the track and street racing the car it still won best of show for auto body and paint. No bug or stone chips on the front edge of the hood. And I hit some pretty big Skeeter's. They just wiped off.

I did not come on here to put anyones paint down . I only wanted to inform members of the paint I came upon. I will never use anything else. It also looks amazing on gloss black cars.

I don't know why they named their paint crossfire. And I don't really care. But some of you must think I am the chemical engineer the developed it.
If you want to know that answer give them a call at 1-800-WHO-CARES.