no more wow factor...

[dukeboy440]

Heres the thing i didnt get across the first time, i wasnt baggin on this guy. I was sittin in the break room. Minding my own business when mr FnF comes in says i hear your into cars. Mind you i work at a big company 400 plus employees. Been here 20 years. Most people here know me as a car guy.

I said yes i am into cars. He asks whatcha have. I tell him a 67 barracuda. Oh was his reply. What kind of motor. I tell him a 318. He starts in with its such a small engine for a 4000 pound car. I laugh and tell him it dont weigh 4000 pounds, but about 2,800. Plus he started with the whole why do you want to work on old ****, and that jap cars are better thing. I told him i like the old cars, and love the V8s. As far as im concerned he drew first blood with his comments. I tried to be polite, but got tired of his crap.

He starts in with how you have to put a turbo jap car engine in a muscle car to make it drift. Ala tokyo drift. What i reminded him was that with movie magic, the stunt driver Rhys Millen needed 390 ford V8s to get the job done with the stunt cars. And that the sounds were all dubbed in. Then he says well nizzan skyline R34 engines are so valuable that they used the V8s for the mundane duties of the stunt cars. I reminded him that with movie budgets and how much they spent on mustang fastbacks to destroy they could care less about the cost of one skyline motor, it was in the mustang only because that was part of the movie plot. Then i showed him the article where hot rod tested the tokyo drift mustangs after the movie was produced. And pix showing the V8 cars were the ones that got the job done.

Mr FnF doesnt soup up his own car mind you, tho his lancer evo is done up pretty nice. He pays a local shop to do it. Most of the guys i work with regard mr FnF as a bit of a jerk anyways, so i'm not far off on this

Am i aware an evo can take my mustang, yes i'd be a fool not to. I know my mustang is fast, but theres other faster cars out there. I bought it for the V8 and stick shift plus the looks.

I built and ran turbo 4 bangers for awhile 2.2 turbo mopars. So i know all about boosted crap. Decided i wanted to get back into the V8 stuff like i did when i was a kid. Mr FnF spouts off about the stuff he has seen in the movies. Yes i have watched the FnF movies corn man real corn.

As far as rust buckets go mr Abody joe. Thats what you get when livin in liberal new jersey. This old stuff doesnt rot out here in texas the way it does by y'all. I know new jersey rust jerky. I lived in that state for 25 years. Btw if you have that much derision towards our beloved A bodies why not sell the fine specimen of a dart you have posted with your reply, and just go buy that 300hp minivan you have probably always wanted. No rust jerky at least for a few years in the rustbelt anyways.

Cheers

Who cares what his opinion is? :violent2:

 

[stroked340]

I must not be a real man.

This is in line for one of the most ignorant statements written on this site.

"So it is written..So it shall be"...

 

[barbee6043]

why not build a slant road toad to run the 1/4 in the tens.( yes they do).... don't necessarily bother with the strip, race the ricers for nice wager ( like $500 a shot). pay for that high end slant pretty quick.......

 

[MileHighDart]

Try telling people you have a 318, their really not impressed.

 

[stroked340]

why not build a slant road toad to run the 1/4 in the tens.( yes they do).... don't necessarily bother with the strip, race the ricers for nice wager ( like $500 a shot). pay for that high end slant pretty quick.......

Oh so race on the street which is ILLEGAL...not the best advice.

 

[moparmat2000]

1. You are comparing a race car that gets horrible gas mileage and is not as safe to take your family to dinner in versus a production car that is very fuel efficient, can drive from Miami to Seattle and back three times in one month with zero problems.

2. I read many posts on this forum where guys spout stuff they've only read on another forum or regurgitating what everyone else says here.
Can't build a 408 for less than $10k and aluminum heads.

Actually my 67 cuda is going to be quite civilized thank you. I plan on faster ratio power steering, power disc brakes, 4 speed, no A/C just because i dont want to deal with it. It will have a decent hidden stereo, and a full stock type interior.

Notchback V8s were 2,800 lbs stock. I will be removing most of the weight with aluminum parts. Some purchased, some fabricated. If i can knock 200 lbs out of the front end that would be great.

You assume i am building a stripped down rough riding barely streetable race car. That is not what i am building. The A-833 OD trans is going to be great for highway trips. It wont get the mileage of a new car, but i dont care, it will give me more smiles per gallon than a new car.

As far as reliability goes i think a lot of that has to do with how well its rebuilt or maintained. My dad and i did a full frame off restoration of a 79 lil red express. This was completed in 2001. He put about 35,000 on its odometer in the 12 years since the restoration. He recently sold it.

We went thru EVERYTHING during the restoration. Everything was disassembled, and either rebuilt to spec, or replaced with new. He never had problems with it after we restored it. I think that is key to having one of these older cars being reliable. This is how my cuda is being done. No stone unturned.

So i dont buy the old car = problems excuse.

Oh and BTW , if you paid 10K for a 408 stroker, then i got a bridge to sell you. I can build a 408 including machine work myself way cheaper than that.

 

[ramenth]

This kind of reminds of me of my old business partner. '07 Hemi Ram Big Horn he thought was the cat's *** making fun of the '54 as being nothing but old junk.

"Let's see, Lew... the '54 is [at the time] 58 years old. Runs like a Swiss watch. Needs a little bit to be a driver again. All said and done, it needs less than than your monthly payment. You got the truck and immediately had to sink a grand in suspension and emissions work for it to pass inspection. It needs transmission work.

"Get back to me in 50 years and let me know how that Ram has stood the test of time."

The last time we went to Carlisle we walked around, had some fun, looked at the cars, talked to some folks. We got to the '50's stuff and my old man made the declaration, "well, here's the real cars! And we've been walking around looking at all this modern junk!" (He was referring to the cars from the '60's and '70's.) Of course, he was joking, having been a muscle car owner himself, but it's a matter of perspective. His youth is from the '50's and that's what he leans towards now it what catches his eye.

Again, it's a matter of perspective. We have a kid (I'll take the liberty of calling him a kid - he's 26) who's into big turbo diesels. He likes the modern stuff because that's what he knows. Put a carb in front of him and he's totally lost. Hand him a scanner and he's in heaven. Again, it what he knows.

The fun part of the hobby is what you do with what you've got. Take Lew, for instance. Couldn't build a car to save his life. Likes to make payments and then tweak stuff from there. He's not a car guy and when you start talking engines, transmissions, tuning, he's completely lost. Give him a wrench and a hammer and he can change brakes or suspensions, but give him the more complex stuff and he's left scratching his head.

Okay, he's good with making payments. I'm not. I want to build, make it mine, damn the next guy. Figured out what he had in his Ram, with the payments, interest, plus what it took keeping it on the road. I'll build my F250 for less than half, make the truck mine, with an eye on the end result. In the end, my inline will out tow and out haul his Hemi every day of the week.

The modern guys have their say. The guys who were building the hot rods when the factories started rolling out things like the 440-6, the 427 tri-powers, Boss cars, were saying the same thing then as we're saying now about our cars. The guys who were buying the Boss cars and the A12's were saying what the modern car guys are saying now.

In 10-20 years, the modern guys will be saying the nostalgic things about the cars they own now while the new generation will be saying the same things about what will be modern to them.

The kid I was talking about earlier in the post? He says the same thing about the GT500 and the Hellcat versus our older cars. And I come back to my first reply in this thread: "Danny, how many GT500's and Hellcats do you own?"

"None, but..."

"There's no 'but.' I own the cars I'm running. You don't own a GT500. Until you do, you got no dog in this fight."

 

[GEO]

Just tell them you have a 500hp nitros kit

 

[barbee6043]

Oh so race on the street which is ILLEGAL...not the best advice.

out here, NO streets, plenty of 2 lane blacktop, no one around.

never race in traffic.

or take it to the strip.... just make enough to payoff the road toad terror!???

 

[stroked340]

out here, NO streets, plenty of 2 lane blacktop, no one around.

never race in traffic.

or take it to the strip.... just make enough to payoff the road toad terror!???

Nice to read that..

 

[Louie70Dart]

If you build your car to please others, you will never get there. If you build it for YOURSELF! then you can be happy. Our old cars went coast to coast 3 times a month, back in the day. If properly maintained, they could do it again. F'n idiots are F'n idiots, no matter the hobby or interest. There will always be that one person out there who feels it necessary to boost their esteem at someone else's expense. Feel sorry for them, pity them, for they will never be happy. My 2 cents.

 

[SoulSurvivor]

my car goes a little over 900 to the wheels and I have guy's turn up their noses and say "really? I thought it would make more power than that, I have a buddy with a honda civic that made 680 to the wheels", I tell them go get it and lets line em up, a few have come out and let me put bus lengths on them but most don't show up.

May I use your 'bus lengths' term? I busted out laughing at that one.

We have a 1 1/2 mile stretch of road that has remained that way for as long as I can remember. No driveways or in roads or stop signs. I don't street race nor do I condone it. I'm 55 and have learned my lessons.
But last Saturday the temptation was too much to resist. Two youngun's in a 2015 Mustang GT 6sp asked if I wanted to run. Reluctantly I said yes. It was 8am in the morning and the road was empty. So I said I'll go when you do. I don't have a horn so that horn blowing thing doesn't work for me. I just told them to stay in 1st gear and wait until we cross the empty intersection before he hits full throttle which he did. So he hits the gas before me and I follow suit; maybe a second after he does. The front wheels lift off the ground and by the time I hit 3rd(a-904) I have 3 bus lengths on him and call it quits and let the gears slow my car down.
The youngun's roll up next to me just smiling and laughing while yelling "dude..you passed me with your front tires where off the ground!!". I retort with a polite "yea..she'll do that in first gear. Thanks for the race but don't make a habit of doing this. Take your car to Fontana once a month and you can drag race all you want for $20." They asked about that so we pulled over at the end of the road and I explained to them about the once a month open track day for street cars at Fontana. Then I told them what we did was wrong and that I was wrong for taking on his challenge. I explained to them I came from an era where racing on the streets was common place because there were less people and muscle cars were all over the place. Racing is an addiction like any other addiction. Racing on a drag strip is therapy. I hope I got to them. BTW..my dinky 275hp 340 wupped that dinkier 302(5.0?).

 

[SoulSurvivor]

bullshit. our cars were just cars at one point also.. cars get character as they get personalized by their owners. you may not see as many classics as you do modern cars but thats just because so many were wrecked,rusted to death or parted and far too many of the remaining have been turned into garage art.

so close minded as to the ricers. with attitude like that its no wonder young kids don't want to be bothered with classic muscle. some of that rice has incredible workmanship to them. you are missing out if you stick your nose up at them.

Agree. I love my S2000. It's not going to win a drag race but it sure does damage on a road course. And who doesn't love an engine that revs to 8200rpm?

 

[roccodart440]

Agree. I love my S2000. It's not going to win a drag race but it sure does damage on a road course. And who doesn't love an engine that revs to 8200rpm?

Hell yeah. I had a BMW MC40 with the John Cooper work package. It would run 14's at the strip and handled like a go cart. Dusted a few vettes, Camaros and stangs with it. Revved to 7500. 4:10 gears, 6 speed stick.

 

[69_340_GTS]

it was because i was sad that the Young era was laughin at our big and small blocks specs ...compared to todays standards ..because a 3.6 caravan as more power than the legendary 340

So what? Who wants to be seen driving a damn minivan? Plus that thing is heavy! Any A-Body with a decent running 340 will blow the doors right off that fat, ugly minivan!

 

[BrianT]

I just told them to stay in 1st gear and wait until we cross the empty intersection before he hits full throttle which he did. So he hits the gas before me and I follow suit; maybe a second after he does. The front wheels lift off the ground and by the time I hit 3rd(a-904) I have 3 bus lengths on him and call it quits and let the gears slow my car down.
The youngun's roll up next to me just smiling and laughing while yelling "dude..you passed me with your front tires where off the ground!!". I retort with a polite "yea..she'll do that in first gear.

Let me get this straight? Your 69 340 Dart does rolling first gear wheel stands?!? Tell me more please?

 

[stroked340]

Let me get this straight? Your 69 340 Dart does rolling first gear wheel stands?!? Tell me more please?

No kidding i love to see that..

 

[64DartGTinAZ]

i dont mind the stupid loving kids of civics with 90 hp ...its more the ones with the modern muscle car era ....the new engines makes a lot of power with small cubic inches like the ford 5.0 with 400+ more hp stock but man....having a muscle car , paying for it , repairing it ..paint , d.i.y , taking care of ....even to restore ...nothing is more important than respect for these old cars that survived trough time..

Simple - challenge them to a race - here is the course.

Park both cars side-by-side in a driveway
First one to pull their engine and then reinstall it and get it running wins.

Bet they don't even know where to start! ;-)

 

[doogievlg]

Let me get this straight? Your 69 340 Dart does rolling first gear wheel stands?!? Tell me more please?

Make that a HUGE x2. I have seen a lot of crazy things go down during a drag race but that seems a bit strange.

 

[moparmat2000]

Just ask the cast of the FnF movies. They can tell you LOL.

 

[SoulSurvivor]

No kidding i love to see that..

2mph. MT drag radials. 4:11 gears. Front wheels came off the ground probably 3 inches.
For about three feet. Had to get past the two sets of train tracks on the other side of the intersection first.
Really not that hard to understand.

 

[doogievlg]

With a 340? Or did you find the combo for 1500 hp?

 

[diymirage]

I was getting the kids in the duster yesterday to head out to the mall when I hear this whine
I look up and a little VW jetta with blacked out tail lights and what looks like busted springs pulls into my driveway
the guy gets out and start off along the lines of "hey, sweet ride man, ive seen it sitting here and ive been meaning to come and check it out"

never got that with my Passat sitting in the driveway, even if it held 18 pounds of boost all day long

 

[BrianT]

2mph. MT drag radials. 4:11 gears. Front wheels came off the ground probably 3 inches.
For about three feet. Had to get past the two sets of train tracks on the other side of the intersection first.
Really not that hard to understand.

But very hard to believe!

 

[stroked340]

But very hard to believe!

You got that right...