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It is VERY important to understand what it is you are measuring and why.

For example, there are two ways to crank the engine..........by using the key, or by jumpering the starter relay. These two small differences create BIG differences at the coil during cranking

1....When cranking the engine "normally" using the key, the ignition switch sends FULL BATTERY voltage direct to the coil. This is the brown bypass circuit, "IGN2" which comes from the switch, to the coil+ side of the ballast. During cranking, you should have "whatever battery" voltage is, and certainly more than 10V

2....If, instead, you jumper the starter relay, the bypass contacts in the ignition switch are NOT active, and NOW you have the ..........reduced battery voltage due to the starter.........minus the additional drop through the ballast resistor to the coil. The coil will have MUCH less voltage

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SO!!!

A....Turn key to run, measure coil POS and NEG. Compare to actual battery voltage. This tells you a couple of things.......whether the coil is getting "normal" expected voltage from the battery, which varies due to the ballast, and ........also whether the coil is drawing current through the ECU. This could give you a clue as to whether there's a bad connection at a connector or whether the box is poorly grounded. Coil NEG should be quite low, down around 1 volt while getting say, 8-10V at the coil+

B.....Clip voltmeter to coil POS and crank the engine USING THE KEY. Now you are checking for the bypass circuit being active, and good connections in the harness. Here the battery should be above 10V during cranking, as well as the coil POS connection. If this is low, I would either fix this first, or work around it by........

C.....Clip an alligator clip lead to the coil + and run over to battery source. NOW you have full battery to the coil. Now see if you have spark. Don't leave this connected any longer than necessary to test.

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When testing for spark, FIRST eliminate ALL high tension wiring, including the COIL wire. Get yourself a spark tester from the parts store, and "rig" it from the coil tower to ground, where you can see it under the hood gap. I use a Lisle, less than 10 bucks

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A good working system should produce blue snappy sparks at least 3/8" and more typically 1/2" long

ONCE YOU get this far, THEN worry about the coil wire, the cap and rotor, and the plug wires and plugs

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Along with everything else, I wrote up a pictorial test some time ago

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Maybe this helps, and maybe not

Here's a post I made about the simplest way I know to get across testing the ECU/ ignition parts

74 duster electrical problems


You need a coil, the ECU and the distributor

Lay it out on the bench. Follow the diagram. Find the two distributor pickup terminals on the ECU. Hook them to the distributor

Hook the ECU case to battery NEG

Coil does NOT need grounded

Distributor does NOT need grounded.

Hook coil + to the power lead terminal on the ECU. Get a clip lead hooked there and let dangle. This is your battery "hot" when you are ready

Hook something from coil "case" to a probe for testing spark.

Hook up your power clip lead. Twist the distributor shaft while holding the test probe near the coil tower. The thing should make sparks

If not, unhook distributor. Take first one, then the other pickup clip leads, and "tap tap" ground them at the battery connection. Coil should make 1 spark each time you do so.

If not, try another coil. If that does not fix it replace the ECU

IF you hook it all up and it WORKS, then there is something AFU in the car harness. SUSPECT a bad ECU connector OR a bad DISTRIBUTOR connector
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This is all you need to test the basics of the ignition. You can easily test the ballast separate. A battery, the ECU, distributor and a coil, and of course some test leads

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Below, the basic diagram for a 4 pin ECU

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Below, the wire for testing spark. I use my 12V test light. No, LOL the spark won't blow up the bulb

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Below, the ground connection. ALL you need is one wire from batt NEG to the ECU case

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Below, the two distributor connections. In the car these are polarity sensitive, but for testing does not matter

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Below, the coil NEG connection

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Below, battery PLUS connection, one wire to this terminal of ECU and jumpered over to + side of coil


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Below, all hooked up and ready to test (except for battery ground). Should produce sparks at least 3/8" and typically 1/2" long

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Below, distributor "one wire" test. I have removed the other distributor wire for simplicity. Take the bare connector end or this clip lead (the yellow) and with everything hooked up, ground it repeatedly. Each grounding should result in a spark (In this photo you need to hook up the ECU ground wire, I left it off for the photo)

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This new improved software sure makes it damn hard to do anything......
 
The problem AJ is I have no spark at the spark plug.
Not trying to be difficult, as I mentioned Imnot great with electrical.

And just to be clear, checking for spark means checking at the coil wire, NOT at the spark plug. You must remove the coil wire from the cap, and lay it near ground and check for a stream of sparks there while cranking, or for the the OneSpark at key cycle. You must eliminate the plugs the wires the cap and the rotor.
As has been said several times.

Checking at the sparkplug comes later.
 
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And just to be clear, checking for spark means checking at the coil wire, NOT at the spark plug. You must remove the coil wire from the cap, and lay it near ground and check for a stream of sparks there while cranking, or for the the OneSpark at key cycle. You must eliminate the plugs the wires the cap and the rotor.
As has been said several times.

Checking at the sparkplug comes later.


Yes, BUT what I'm saying is don't USE the coil wire. Get clear back to the COIL. Why? simple. I was caught once with a BAD coil wire!! (Resistor wire burned in the middle internally).

Either use a spark gap checker like above, or "rig" one with a screwdriver and clip lead hold it right in the top of the coil tower.
 
Sorry Del, of course you are right. I passed over your post cuz well you know, I mighta seen it before,a time or two, lol
I just got cranky when Op stated no spark at the plug...........
 
Thanks for your patience with me on this guys, as I mentioned my electrical skill are not good at all.
Now, I did some checking as ya'll have mentioned and there was no spark at the coil. I changed the coil and it started rite up...until I release the key, then it dies. This is affecting my gauges also such as the electric oil pressure gauge as it only reads breifly.
 

That might indicate you are losing the "ignition run" voltage also known as "IGN1". This is the (normally blue) wire that feeds from the ignition switch and feeds components in the run position. "Suspects" are the bulkhead connector (which should not affect the gauges) the switch itself, and the connector on the switch. Time to get your meter a diagram, and check.

WHAT YEAR MODEL is the car? I did not see that

If you don't have, go to MyMopar and download a factory service manual.
 
Its a 74 Scamp. I have the manual already down loaded.


Well you didn't download a 74 manual from MyMopar, or did you find it somewhere else? If so we'd like to hear "where."

The newest at MyMopar is the 73 manual, and while it is pretty close, there IS some wiring differences in 74.

One of them, will not cause this problem, but you should "do" is to bypass the seat belt system. To do that find the reset box under the hood, and permanently splice the two yellow wires going to it. This will prevent a "no crank" condition

bypassing interlock system

Now as far as your "no run" condition, this could be a bad ballast resistor, bad ignition switch, or bad connection in between. Check with the key "in run" for power. If nothing, go under the column and access the switch connector, check for power there at the dark blue. If nothing there, it's most likely the ign switch. AbodyJoe posted a nice "how to" on this long ago

how to install ignition switch in 70 dodge dart
 
Yes I have the 73 manuals. I have a jumper wire on the seat belt interlock.
I will check the items you have mentioned.
Thank you for your help.
 
It seems to be a loose wire at the bulk head connector at the fire wall. I fiddled around with it after checking the ballast resistor and it fired rite up.
Thanks for all the help guys!
 
I didn't read all replies....but more than likely It's the ignition key switch or 1st and most common -the ballast. Just jump the wires at the ballast and if it works...its the ballast, if not....trace the wires to the key and then if no breaks are found....the key ignition switch.
 
Thanks for the Mad article, that will definitely get changed.
And as soon as I google how to check charge over voltage that is next on the list.

One last thing and I will leave this thread alone...there was a black with yellow stripe tagged to go on the coil, the wiring diagram says it is for my park lamps. Would this go to the coil?
 
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