stroked340
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Right on...AMERICAN MADE!!!
Not sure what this means..Fiat changing platform on products
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Right on...AMERICAN MADE!!!
69_340_GTS
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Was! Chrysler 200 production ended Friday, Dec. 2, 2016 at Fiat Chrysler's Sterling Heights Assembly Plant, according to The Detroit News, Dec 6, 2016. Also, the Dodge Dart production ended Sept. 2016. Sales sucked on both cars, and they are no longer produced anywhere.
stroked340
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jkeck55
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I just bought a Giulia Ti AWD. This is an amazing car. balanced, fast, looks amazing. If they stretched it a bit and put an NA version of the 2.9 V6 from the Quadrifoglio in a 2 door version with the twin turbo as an option that would be a world beater of a car. Take one for a spin they are a crapload of fun to drive.
moparmat2000
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Make a barracuda fastback out of a Giulia.
Ford it looks like is working on a car slotted between a focus and mustang. Using mustangs suspension and RWD, an ecoboost 240hp 4 banger as base model engine, an ecoboost 300hp v6 optional. Ressurecting the maverick name. It will likely be a 4 seat 2 door hatchback.
I always felt the dart was a swing and a miss. They should have retro styled it similar to a 67-69 offered it w RWD 4 cylinder turbo, w traction control, ABS. It would have been a winner. People r buying the challengers in droves because of the old looks, and the charger to a lesser extent because of the same.
If ford does a RWD adfordable maverick. Offers it w a 240hp ecoboost with a 5 or 6 speed manual, i likely found my next commuter car / daily driver.
Ford it looks like is working on a car slotted between a focus and mustang. Using mustangs suspension and RWD, an ecoboost 240hp 4 banger as base model engine, an ecoboost 300hp v6 optional. Ressurecting the maverick name. It will likely be a 4 seat 2 door hatchback.
I always felt the dart was a swing and a miss. They should have retro styled it similar to a 67-69 offered it w RWD 4 cylinder turbo, w traction control, ABS. It would have been a winner. People r buying the challengers in droves because of the old looks, and the charger to a lesser extent because of the same.
If ford does a RWD adfordable maverick. Offers it w a 240hp ecoboost with a 5 or 6 speed manual, i likely found my next commuter car / daily driver.
Dustdevl340
Westie Dad & All Around Mopar Fanatic
Congrats. I like the look of them and they are certainly good performers. Alfas have a certain reputation to live down though. Hopefully they can put that behind them.
famous bob
mopar misfit
yeah, right, I remember a few fords I owned w/ twin I beams, sorriest piece of junk front ends I ever owned. Wore out at 40 miles. One new 77 ford I had quit me in the middle of heavy traffic w/ 11,997 miles on it, 3 miles before the warranty ran out. Everybody makes some bad ones. If u guys don`t like the new challengers, go buy something else and shut the f--- up. I`D HAVE A NEW HELLCAR DEMON IN A HEARTBEAT IF I COULD AFFORD ONE! " EVEN THO I HATE THE NAME ! And they are far better cars than ur stroked 197" whatever duster or demon.
famous bob
mopar misfit
Go buy a couple ! I love my 2014 ram--------------------------
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Mopar92
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Don’t forget the Starion or Conquest.Ok, but I remember when Chrysler corp was in trouble in the 80's. Folks were crying because they had K-cars to buyNothing to brag about in the coffee shops, to say the least. Then, in 1991, came the Viper. Too much for the average Joe. So, the crying went on. A very heavy Stealth with turbo's......?...... Nice Mitsubishi
. The '91/'92 Spirit and Daytona R/T twin overhead cam intercooled turbo's were really cool... and FAST for the day. But, the Camaro and Mustang guys still had the cool sounding pipes, and were burning REAR wheels. So, sadly, we complained and some grabbed on to the new Dakota with a V8 magnum.... it was a V8! and rear wheel Drive! .... but sadly, a pickup none the less
In '08, they tried to replicate the Challenger, and did a good job. Looked like a challenger! Hemi V8 rear wheel drive, dual exhaust! Now something to be happy about!
Nope, mopar fans found 100 reason to hate on it.
So now, this is where we are, and wonder what went wrong, and where did Mother Mopar go??
Ford fans loved every Mustang, and they sold like hot cakes. Not us, we want a 340 4bbl in an exact '72 Duster with an upgraded A/C. All else the same, or we ain't lik'n it.
Well, congrats! If a factory high 10 second Hellcat Chally won't please ya, then say goodbye to it.
moparmat2000
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Every vehicle made and sold here has parts in it from other countries. Its all different percentages, but they all have foreign content. Check your window stickers it will say percentage of content thats domestic, and percentage thats foreign. The challenger is technically a foreign made car. Its made in Brampton Ontario. My mustang GT is made in Flatrock Michigan. It has foreign content in it too, but i bet its got more domestic content than a challenger. It doesnt mean i'd want a challenger any less. I like them both. The mustang however i bought before the new challenger was even a twinkle in Chryslers eye. And i still love driving it. Thats why i still own it 10 years later.
moparmat2000
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Well alrighty then. I guess that means you wont be buying anymore new vehicles then lol. They ALL contain foreign made parts. Every last one of them. Go tire kicking at any new car dealership. Read the window stickers. It breaks it down with percentages of domestic and foreign content.
Do i like toyota pickups?? No i dont, not a fan of the "circle n stick man badgeed trucks" but they probably have more domestic content in them percentage wise than a dodge ram.
Just sayin.
first mopar 42 Plymouth 1960 first new car 69 superbee in picture last 2 new cars 13 challenger 6 speed rt and 19 hemi ram crew cab its all been good have 3 darts and a 50 ford coupe enjoy tinkering with the old cars but really don't want to road trip in them .
stroked340
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Nope I won't.. I prefer used ones not more then 3-4 years old..my vehicles are ALL made by an AMERICAN based company only 2 of them left..they may build those "Jap pieces of **** Toyletes" here,but your hard earn dollar goes right back to Japan when you buy a new one..nothing in my driveway but my FORD truck built right her in Dearborn,MI and my wifes Edge which is assembled in Canada..
moparmat2000
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How wrong you are. Do you think they just started putting foreign content in "american" vehicles 3-4 years ago. They have been doing it for years lol. Just because you buy em used, doesnt mean magically theres no foreign content in em anymore after you buy them used.
Not trying to poke you in the eye over this, however Do you have your window stickers for either vehicle you just named? If so, check it. They have been putting the foreign/domestic content on the window stickers for at minimum the last 10 years. 2014 ford F series which i am assuming by your post is what you have has 87% domestic content. That is very high indeed, but it isnt 100% it still has foreign made parts in it.
Not trying to poke you in the eye over this, however Do you have your window stickers for either vehicle you just named? If so, check it. They have been putting the foreign/domestic content on the window stickers for at minimum the last 10 years. 2014 ford F series which i am assuming by your post is what you have has 87% domestic content. That is very high indeed, but it isnt 100% it still has foreign made parts in it.
moparmat2000
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Dodge grand caravan also has a fairly high amount of domestic content. I believe the article i quoted on your F150 put the caravan at 85% domestic content as well.
Additionally companies like toyota north america keep the profits from their american sold vehicles here to be able to pay taxes to the US government and in the states where they operate. Also for research and development of new products, plant expansions etc. Its actually in their best interest to keep their U.S. based operation seperate from their Japan operations, as the vehicles tend to be taylored for their respective markets that way. Most automakers operate on a global scale these days.
Additionally companies like toyota north america keep the profits from their american sold vehicles here to be able to pay taxes to the US government and in the states where they operate. Also for research and development of new products, plant expansions etc. Its actually in their best interest to keep their U.S. based operation seperate from their Japan operations, as the vehicles tend to be taylored for their respective markets that way. Most automakers operate on a global scale these days.
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Matts440
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Hey what ever it takes to drop weight off the Mercedes platform. Look what they did with the viper before it ended production due to low numbers, switching to the alpha chassis dropped triple digits off the weight and smashing records at neitenburg or how ever you spell it. Plus on the early charger/challenger/300 up to 09 Mercedes gave Chrysler the cheaper plastics for everything cause they were affraid of the 300 mostly I think looking better then most of their models. I like what they are doing to the models, I love my 14 ram. But like everything everyone has an opinion.
moparmat2000
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The FCA improved 300 next to the DCA 300 blows the DCA 300 away. Fiat Chrysler finessed the design and styling making it much more refined overall. If i was in the market for a new luxury Chrysler. Between the DCA and FCA 300. I'd pick the FCA 300 in a heartbeat. Seeing things like that made me think that Fiat has more of a vested interest in Chrysler succeeding than Diamler ever had. It must be noted that Jeep is like the automotive equivalent of the face sucker in Alien. Every automotive manufacturer so far that has gotten Jeep has eventually gone out of business, and Jeep would move on to another victim. Is Chrysler its next victim? Only time will tell.
You guys realize the FWD/AWD/RWD LH/LX platform (Charger/Challenger/300/Magnum) was an AMC/Eagle design and has been in use since the 1980's and was also the platform for Intrepids Concords and Visions, right?
My '95 Cummins Ram 3500 was built in Mexico. Just saying.
Brand loyalty is great but the Brand has to give something to the consumer for his $ or they look elsewhere. Ma Moar could have been smarter with some designs no oubt, 2 door chrger offered, the dart that as a miss in many ways???
Brand loyalty is great but the Brand has to give something to the consumer for his $ or they look elsewhere. Ma Moar could have been smarter with some designs no oubt, 2 door chrger offered, the dart that as a miss in many ways???
Matts440
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After some searching i stand corrected, I have always heard it was a mercedes platform, it just shared alot from a Mercedes. But I still like what they are doing, yes the dart could have been better but all manufacturers have hit or miss cars also look at the caliber, they should have redesigned the neon over this one.
moparmat2000
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Nope
LX and LY are completely different than the LH platform. LX and LY were/are an older mercedes E class platform. They used the suspension bits, steering column, transmission, and front seat frames off the older E class for the first gen LX. Where it differed was the E class suspension bits were cast from aluminum, chrysler made the same parts out of stamped steel to save costs over the aluminum pieces.
Chrysler also currently uses german made double overdrive automatics on their RWD sedans and challenger coupe. The dodge sprinter no longer sold as a dodge due to the fiat merger is a mercedes van, built in the U.S. along with a counterpart badged as a freightliner. The weak kneed aluminum 4.7L V8 in the ram trucks that liked to overheat and pop headgaskets, and warp the heads was a mercedes design as well. Out here in Texas that 4.7 V8 eventually got a nasty rep as a P.O.S. The dealers out here couldent give em away with that engine. It was either a Hemi, or Cummins, or go to another manufacturer.
And of course the crossfire that was based on a SLK 2 seat roadster, and was manufactured at Karmann coachworks.
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67redcudavert
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Just like the foreign car companies did, the foreign parts companies have also moved here and set up shop. And there's a lot of them, making stuff you never realized or thought about. So what is "American" is more blurred than ever.
I worked in the engineering lab of a parts manufacturing company from '73 to '08. Gabriel shocks were part of what we made. In the 70s and 80s our only competition was Monroe shocks. By the mid to late 80s we started seeing Bilstein, Sachs, and Boge from Germany, KYB, Tokico and Showa from Japan, and Cofap from Brazil, all fighting for a piece of the action, in both OE and aftermarket. Most of them have built plants here, mostly down south. They have also set up engineering facilities, mostly in southeast Michigan.
Gabriel has an international presence, with affiliates in India, Mexico, South Africa, Europe and several south american countries, that they license their designs to. Unfortunately the Gabriel design has it's roots in the 40s with a few upgrades in the name of longer product life while the foreigners have newer designs that work better so they now have most of the OEM business. Senior managment never worried about it because they were selling millions of $5 shocks to Sears back in the 80s. That strategy is not working too good these days.
Back in the 80s Lee Iacocca challenged the foreign companies saying "If you want to sell cars here, build them here" or something like that. So they did, and now here we are with the very blurred scenario of what's American.
So that F-150 built in Dearborn might have Tokico shocks built in Kentucky, or who knows what else built by a foreign parts company somewhere in the southern part of the U.S. or northern Mexico.
I worked in the engineering lab of a parts manufacturing company from '73 to '08. Gabriel shocks were part of what we made. In the 70s and 80s our only competition was Monroe shocks. By the mid to late 80s we started seeing Bilstein, Sachs, and Boge from Germany, KYB, Tokico and Showa from Japan, and Cofap from Brazil, all fighting for a piece of the action, in both OE and aftermarket. Most of them have built plants here, mostly down south. They have also set up engineering facilities, mostly in southeast Michigan.
Gabriel has an international presence, with affiliates in India, Mexico, South Africa, Europe and several south american countries, that they license their designs to. Unfortunately the Gabriel design has it's roots in the 40s with a few upgrades in the name of longer product life while the foreigners have newer designs that work better so they now have most of the OEM business. Senior managment never worried about it because they were selling millions of $5 shocks to Sears back in the 80s. That strategy is not working too good these days.
Back in the 80s Lee Iacocca challenged the foreign companies saying "If you want to sell cars here, build them here" or something like that. So they did, and now here we are with the very blurred scenario of what's American.
So that F-150 built in Dearborn might have Tokico shocks built in Kentucky, or who knows what else built by a foreign parts company somewhere in the southern part of the U.S. or northern Mexico.
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stroked340
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No mines a 2010 may look like a much newer one seeing as I take very good care of my vehicles..my point is it was built in AMERICA by an AMERICAN based company..
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