Opinions on 4 speed with OD

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Wait, how the heck do you come up with “if you run a street gear like a 3.55, then 5500 in "third gear" will be about 124 mph?”
What size tire is this. You assume a bit here huh?
Have you personally done this?
Same with all the other math
This is all gotta be KPH


MPH= (rpm x TC)/ 1056xR1 xR2
(5500x27pi)/1056x3.55x1.00= 124.44718, rounds to 124mph.

I guess
you forgot
"third gear" in the overdrive box
is 1:1

Ease into it Rumble, ease on into it. Your like a meteorologist;
 
So —- A 27 inch tire is the missing factor!

Edit…. “meteorologist”, LMAO..

I tell ya AJ, your posts contain missing information and assumes. You do this often enough to make me question very post you put up. Much like your 38mpg 450hp 360 engine.
 
So —- A 27 inch tire is the missing factor!

Edit…. “meteorologist”, LMAO..

I tell ya AJ, your posts contain missing AND MADE UP information and assumes. You do this often enough to make me question very post you put up. Much like your 38mpg 450hp 360 engine.

There. Fixed it for ya.
 
So can the aluminum box be bushed and accept the four speed gear set, and survive in a street car? I've seen both yes and no on this
 
So —- A 27 inch tire is the missing factor!
Edit…. “meteorologist”, LMAO..
I tell ya AJ, your posts contain missing information and assumes. You do this often enough to make me question very post you put up. Much like your 38mpg 450hp 360 engine.


As for PART-1
Like I said once before, from a 27" tire, to a 24.5" is 10%, about the same as one gearchange.. But who runs a 24.5 on the back of a street machine?
I stopped quoting the tire size a long time ago cuz it's just about a non-issue.
325/50-15 is 27.8
295/50-15 is 26.6
275/60-15 is 28
275/50-15 is 25.8
Average is, wait for it, . . . . . . 27.05 . . . . . . Missing factor? Grow up.
I tell ya what Rumble, just for you, one more time so I can stop repeating myself;
Rumble;
From this day forward, I will always and ever more, base all relevant math on a 27 inch tire which is 84.8 inches roll-out. I never want to hear you ask for a "missing factor" again.

As for PART-2;
Just cuz you do not know how to do it, does not mean that it is impossible.
Much like ;
Why I take no meds; because this body that I am steward over is working perfectly, despite it's age, ancestry, and genetics. Just cuz you do not know how to do it, does not make it impossible.


And besides; You got my engines mixed up;
>the one that has the big power, has the 230/237/110 Hughes cam, 10.95 Scr, and was/is the one that went 93mph in the Eighth. In case you need the missing factors; they are @3457 pounds@900ft elevation. With 3.55s this one cruises at 65=2240 with the GVod.
> the one that got the big mpgs had the 223/230/110 Hughes cam, 11.3Scr, and only went 106mph in the Quarter; wait for the missing factors, here they come; 3650pounds and something like 730ft elevation This one had the A833od AND the GVod behind it and with 3.55s cruised at 65=1600,

AND NOT ONLY DID YOU GET THAT WRONG, but:
the 230* cammed engine, by it's trapspeed and weight, according to the Wallace Calculator, (the only numbers I have ever quoted), was only making 432hp.So you exaggerated that.
the 223* cammed engine, by it's trapspeed and weight, again according to the Wallace, was only making 335hp. At over 185psi Cranking cylinder pressure, this is a P/V of 160. That is a very significantly higher number than even the 68 440 Magnums. So yeah, it had bottom-end, perfect to cruise with.
And finally, that 223* cammed engine only got 32mpg, so you exaggerated that too.

I guess your memory ain't what it used to be eh?
I tell ya Rumble, since your memory is so bad, and you are prone to exaggeration, and making misleading statements, including half-truths; I gotta wonder, if this is enough to make me question every post you put up..........................


 
1) one time, with deep 3.55s, I was banging thru the gears and in the excitement, I forgot which box was under the stick, and Zing od was history. see below.
2) one time, It was winter and I had my stock, low-compression 318 (allbeit with a TQ and the TTIs,) with a different od box, NOT acting crazy, but .... zing, od was gone.
3) one time, the 360 zinged off all the teeth of the input gear.
Now; there are TWO different tooth-counts of these boxes;
>one of them has a .71overdrive which it does with an 18tooth mainshaft gear. When the cluster engages this mini gear, it pretty much engages just one of those 18 teeth, atta time.
>The other has a .73overdrive, which IIRC has 21teeth, and has a bit more contact area.
NONE, I repeat, NONE of the gears between these two boxes will interchange, they have to be used as a set.
> that tooth-count difference is worth ~100rpm, so of course, I was trying desperately to use it. lol.
The 18 tooth gear, in my experience, cannot take much torque or abuse. The 21tooth seems to be a lil more robust.
As for the alloy box I was using at the time; I had a machine-shop machine out the front cluster pin-hole, and install a steel bushing, with a light press-fit to the pin. Just enough to not leak oil. BTW, The overdrive gear is AT THE BACK of the box, so any error on their part would NOT affect the od gear.

Currently I run a Commando gearset in a Passon Performance alloy box, with the GVod behind it. No more problems. In the beginning I had a bit of elusive to diagnose vibration, that I traced to THREE sources and fixed them one by one. The first was the cruising pinion-angle, the Second was the short driveshaft. The third was the Diaphragm clutch with it's centrifugal flyweights, the take-away here is to not try and cruise at too-low an rpm because the flyweights may not all park in the same place at the same time. There is no solution to this, even at 65=2240rpm. My best solution is to, once cruising, clutch it and blip the throttle. Sometimes it takes a few tries.

Here's the thing;
if you run a street gear like a 3.55, then 5500 in "third gear" will be about 124 mph, and it is hardy likely that you would ever power-shift into overdrive. AND, because of the H-pattern shifter, it is impossible to powershift from Second into "Fourth". So for most guys, that 23tooth gear is relatively safe.
And the other thing is this;
With 3.55s again, 65mph is ~4800 in 1.67ratio/Second. This is just past peak torque with "a bit of a cam".. Since this is the speed limit up here in Manitoba, it was all too easy for me to skip Direct/Third, and go straight into Fourth/overdrive. Well with a CF-II disc and a factory heavy-flywheel, and the rpm forced to drop to 2040, you HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE RPM TO COME DOWN! else the inertia in the flywheel will rip the teeth right off. :(
SO;
if you promise to be kind to overdrive, then you should be fine.

But did you catch that 65=4800 in that 1.67 ratio? That is about where the factory 318 cam makes peak power. So at 4800 you are a good 300 to 500 below the powerpeak of a typical street cam and a good 500 to 800 below it's shift rpm. So I donno why the heck you would run 3.55s.
To hit 65 at say 5500, on the backside of the power curve of a "bit of a cam" would require a road gear of 6.795, and 6.795/1.67=4.07, so the right gear to run, is gonna be about 4.10s for 65=5540 with 27" tires. And that make 65=2420 a very nice place to be. But when you hit redline in Second, do yourself a favor and shift into THIRD
NOT OVERDRIVE!
, lol.
Cuz when it goes ZING, you better have a rev-limiter.....

If you do Strip off a gear, clutch it, and STOP THE CAR!
You have no control of where those pieces are gonna go. If they end up between teeth of another ratio, they will take the rest of the box out. But before they do, they could lock-up the rear wheels, and if/when that happens at 65mph, NOTHING GOOD will come of it. Tow the car home and drop the trans. After a good clean out, you can still drive it as a 3-speed until your new gears come in. But I gotta tell ya, I highly recommend having a spare one in the garage.
I've locked up a center chunk before, at speed. A cup rolled by and made the " push it outta the road" motion. We laughed at his ***. Sure Grip w/ Sticky Mickeys.... ain't Happening! Also trashed an input shaft before. Ain't moving...
 
I've locked up a center chunk before, at speed. A cup rolled by and made the " push it outta the road" motion. We laughed at his ***. Sure Grip w/ Sticky Mickeys.... ain't Happening! Also trashed an input shaft before. Ain't moving...
I shifted a powerglide into reverse at 65 once. I made the shift, locked the tires down until I realized what happened and I got it back into D. We never tore it down, but we kept driving it until I sold it a couple years later. It didn't affect how it shifted or pulled at all. I always figured it twisted the input shaft.
 
I shifted a powerglide into reverse at 65 once. I made the shift, locked the tires down until I realized what happened and I got it back into D. We never tore it down, but we kept driving it until I sold it a couple years later. It didn't affect how it shifted or pulled at all. I always figured it twisted the input shaft.
I had a trans shop tell me to this on purpose (momentarily) once when the trans in my Neon started going. He said if the plates were stuck together it could pull em loose.
It didn't hurt anything but it didn't save the trans either
 
Mopar Muscle 2001 or 2. Was not a factory color.
The painter mixed up his own concoction of orange, black, yellow at the time.
 
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