politcal forum

[sweatybetty]

maybe one could be added for discussion purposes. help keep the politics off the main forum. anyone else agree?

 

[63dartman]

Personally I would rather not see a political thread on FABO, I feel there are more than enough places to voice political opinions on the WWW. I like the idea of having a place I can visit without all that crap......just my opinion.

 

[7demon2]

with some of the stuff i have seen spewed on here, i would not want to see more. it would be a powder keg waiting to go off....

 

[AdamR]

Political topics all ways end up in fight and locked thread.

 

[memike]

My vote is no political thread :wav:
I get all I want on tv and I come here to get away from it :toothy7:

 

[mikedevore]

Personally I would rather not see a political thread on FABO, I feel there are more than enough places to voice political opinions on the WWW. I like the idea of having a place I can visit without all that crap......just my opinion.

Yea, what he said!

 

[cudaspaz]

I'm all for it.
I'd like to see FABO differentiate itself away from some of the other wussified mopar sites by not condemning political speech.

I think it keeps our minds sharp by educating eachother and listening to other car guys opinions about the world as we know it.

 

[oldmoparsrule]

I'm all for it.
I think it keeps our minds sharp by educating eachother and listening to other car guys opinions about the world as we know it.

In a perfect world...maybe. It is obvious based on some of the discussions folks have had here that people are not interested in changing their opinions, or being educated. The premise tends to be the sledgehammer approach to discussion, which does not work unless folks are in the same room, face to face. The anonymity of the Internet tends to detract from true discussion, and morph into emotional arguments...which tend to get moderated. No one really "wins" and potential friends walk away angry or frustrated.

Just my $.02...take it for what it is worth.

Thank You!

Clint S
San Gabriel

 

[JR]

The last thing I would want to hear about on FABO is politics I have to work with a boss that braggs about his IQ and how he knows everything about politics and religion and how everyone is wrong about everything. He can go off for 2-3 hours about how to fix everything in politics. This happens about 3 times a week. So if I have to come on here and listen to more of it I will find out the address of the people that are getting all politcal in a car forum and I will mail you a cat turd.

 

[demon seed]

In a perfect world...maybe. It is obvious based on some of the discussions folks have had here that people are not interested in changing their opinions, or being educated. The premise tends to be the sledgehammer approach to discussion, which does not work unless folks are in the same room, face to face. The anonymity of the Internet tends to detract from true discussion, and morph into emotional arguments...which tend to get moderated. No one really "wins" and potential friends walk away angry or frustrated.

Just my $.02...take it for what it is worth.

Thank You!

Clint S
San Gabriel

Yea what Clint said, so far most of the political discussions I've seen and even participated in have degenerated into keyboard name calling, sometimes I have to catch myself cuss it's so easy to do and doesn't belong here.

Terry

 

[gremlin]

The last thing I would want to hear about on FABO is politics I have to work with a boss that braggs about his IQ and how he knows everything about politics and religion and how everyone is wrong about everything. He can go off for 2-3 hours about how to fix everything in politics. This happens about 3 times a week. So if I have to come on here and listen to more of it I will find out the address of the people that are getting all politcal in a car forum and I will mail you a cat turd.

I could send you a dog turd in exchange. Maybe I could weigh it as to give an even exchange. :sign5: Would that be politically correct? :idea1:
Actually to label it political would keep it away from the general discussion board. At least you could choose not to go there rather than skip over it here.

 

[sweatybetty]

I could send you a dog turd in exchange. Maybe I could weigh it as to give an even exchange. :sign5: Would that be politically correct? :idea1:
Actually to label it political would keep it away from the general discussion board. At least you could choose not to go there rather than skip over it here.

kinda what i was thinking. i see it on another forum i visit and it seems to work there. that site is pretty much conservative though so theres almost total agreement with whats posted. maybe not labeled political, but off topic discussion that involved politics etc... just a idea

 

[DragginMAster]

keep the politics and religion to the other forums, lets all be friends here and talk about out cars, and you know, those immensely patriotic women... ;-)

 

[JR]

You have to figure that even if it were in it's own section the people that went in there may agree to leave any hard feelings in that section and not bring it out to the rest of the forum but the second you see a post from the other guy in say like the Engine Issues section the first thing your going to think about when you see their screen name is how they pissed you off in the politcal forum. No matter how much you say that it wont happen it will, I say it's better just to leave it out of FABO and goto a site that is dedicated to politics.

www.smellypoop.com Don't doubt me I have done it before!!!!!

 

[cudaspaz]

You have to figure that even if it were in it's own section the people that went in there may agree to leave any hard feelings in that section and not bring it out to the rest of the forum but the second you see a post from the other guy in say like the Engine Issues section the first thing your going to think about when you see their screen name is how they pissed you off in the politcal forum. No matter how much you say that it wont happen it will, I say it's better just to leave it out of FABO and goto a site that is dedicated to politics.

www.smellypoop.com Don't doubt me I have done it before!!!!!

Good point, very good point.

 

[GT340]

Here's a good forum for politics: http://www.oldhippie.com/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=b871fb9ea578fa257a1e45b0fe28e3a8&board=2.0

It gets rough there at times!

 

[63dartman]

I am for an off topic area as long as that's where it stays. I have seen a few threads that had to be shut down for "off topic" discussions that eventually turned into personal attacks on each other.

Let's keep the rest just like dragginMaster said. Cars, Cute tail, and spirits......

 

[69signetv8]

I'm not sure I agree...Sorry.
FABO is the most excellent forum going. I think were very lucky here because over all...we talk more then just "A bodies".....This is the best forum I've seen that gives us the OK to add some feelings or personnal thoughts. We have had the freedom (that most want anyways) of all OPEN disscussions we can POST here...SO FAR... Besides just A-bodies, we have been granted the right to know one another...good, bad, sad or happy or anything that we have to express. Yes, I know were talking A-bodies here...but I feel it's been really great over the years that I have been able to grow with the friends I have met though their every day life and enjoy to be able to read thier comments/formats/topics. (If not it would be a very dry site like CAR question to answer only!! I don't think a open thread topic takes anything away from the standard forum...As far as I feel "if" you don't like a topic or thread (WAR, POLITICS, SEX, LIFE, WHATEVER)..then it's just not your thread and ya can move on to another thread that makes your day! I Know not every "topic" is cool with everyone, however.. over my past year or so here I haven't just learned only about A-bodies, but have found just how different we all are and it's good to be able to just to sit back and to BS about anything...even though I have been pushed over about some things.

I guess my point would be ("I" learned alot from you guys) from reading the V Tech issue...on how we all express our feelings and thoughts..and ya know what...there nothing wrong with that!!! :thumbup:

 

[memike]

Jimmy boy! your open mind has opened my eyes. O
Now that I have read Jimmy boys post I to agree with him.
This site has been a great place for me to just hang out and make new friends.
And I get a new perspective on things I am not sure of, Like the history,and views
of daily life other than mine, And if I need to vent something I am having a bad time with or the things I experience in life, Children, cars, wife, animals, fishing, cooking, hunting, weather, taxes, politics,and cars.

I joined this site just to learn more about building me another A bodie the right way and pass on any help I could along the way.
But know that I have been here, I have learned allot and enjoy this site and the great people here. With that being said, Jimmy boy!!
You hit the nail on the head for me. :salute:

 

[63dartman]

Sorry guys, I didn't mean to sound like I only wanted to hear about certain things.....I too have made a change to my position since reading Jimmy boy's post. He is right, If we try to tell people that they can't post any political views then why would it be o.k. to post stories about trout fishing? We could end up offending bass fisherman And the list goes on and on. I too like seeing the general stories of what's going on in everyones lives and non mopar related stuff.
I think that is what makes me keep coming back, also I can tell there are a few guys here that really take the time to make others feel welcome on the site. You usually get the same respect that you give to others, it's that simple.

Now, I think I need to plan my Sunday fixes and what kind of beer I want to drink . Everyone have a good day!

 

[krabysniper]

Communication is key to ALL aspects of life. Failure of all involved, shooter included, in the Va Tech incident, is why it happened. What is a key element, everyone who knew the guy, has mentioned? They all say he was quite and would not communicate. When you have people CENSORING posts by re-writing what someone has said, without their knowledge, or blatantly deleting the thread, then their is NO COMMUNICATION, only what one person wants you to hear. Ask any judge in this country if that will fly in their courtrooms? You think they only want one side of the story? That will really bring justice, won't it?

A political forum may be inflammatory on occasion, but would allow people, who want to hear others views on a given subject, the opportunity to express their thoughts and opinions. Do I believe it should be monitored and have posts edited by other than the original poster or deleted altogether? Hell no. Will people argue and say stupid stuff? Sure they will, but that is how it is when people communicate about something as important, to freedom, as communication IS.

If the behaviors of certain people around here don't change, I will predict this entire web forum, will go the way so many others have, it will be gone. Gone because people are NOT stupid and WILL realize that what they have to say will just be altered or deleted by some jerk wad that doesn’t agree or is to immature to allow the other intelligent members around here make their own decision to read what is posted or go on to something else, of their own accord.

I really find it strange that because some choose to disagree, they felt a need to delete a thread, yet others can post pictures of half naked or bare assed women (****) or can blatantly post stuff that could be construed as down right life threatening (someone making a post where they SPECIFICLY STATE they are going to MURDER 6 people) or posting dangerous crap like using cast iron plumbing pieces in a suspension system, just to name a few recent ones, yet they do nothing about that. If a certain person here really does what he says in his post, how will the moderators and/or this web site, look when the news comes out that this individual made such a threat and followed thru, yet nobody notified the police or the people he threatened? They will look just like the cops, the psyche doctors, teachers and everyone else involved in the Va. incident who said "We should have recognized the signs". I wonder what the sponsors of this site will think if it is brought to their attention that there is selective CENSORSHIP occurring here?

Some may not like what I am pointing out, but then the truth really hurts doesn’t it. Censorship IS WRONG. It must stop. We need only remember WWII to realize what happens when censorship runs rampant, entire nations can be led to slaughter others, all based on the words of the few who control the means of communication and information.

I agree, a separate forum for peeps to talk about stuff like the Va. Shooting incident, or government, or gov issues or whatever, would be a great idea. Maybe with the disclaimer at the top that all posts are nothing more than the view of the person posting (seems to me I read that somewhere else around here) and that name calling or other types of hate behavior will be stifled not thru deletion or editing a post but by locking up that persons privilege to post for a time. I have seen it work on other sites, I have been a member of several for well into 7 or 8 years now and there are heated debates about things occasionally. There are a few I was member of where the mods thought they could just delete or alter posts. Those forums dried up and died. Why? Because REAL AMERICANS/FREEDOM SEEKERS want NOTHING to do with a forum where the Gestapo is going to Censor their posts as THEY (the mods) see fit.

Before some other whiner comes in and says "Gee, you just sound mad cause you must have had a post deleted by the mods here so your opinion doesn’t count" You f'n right I get mad when some self proclaimed word cop is going to remove something I spent time writing to share with the rest of the readers here, because HE thought it or some other persons post in the thread wasn't appropriate. I also get mad when others have done the same and their time writing a very intelligently thought out piece, is thrown in the garbage by same said jerk.

Most here are adults (I understand a few are youngsters, thus my concerns with the **** crap). We can and do make our own decisions on what we read, watch or listen to everyday, without a moderator deleting something for us because "THEY" think we shouldn’t be exposed to it.

I for one REFUSE to sit by idle and let others wreck freedom of speech by their foolish and one sided behavior.

Again, as always, these are MY VIEWS and OPINIONS, you don't like them, that’s fine, it means I probably wouldn't like yours either.

Now it is time to go drive the Dart. Woot, have a great day! :salute:

 

[krabysniper]

Oh, and yes, I know my posts are sometimes very "long winded" but I find it next to impossible sometimes to get my point across in just one or two short sentances or words. :headbang:

 

[cudaspaz]

You know you are doing a fine job as a true patriot when the libs try to shut you up.

 

[Coyote Jack]

Some good points and some bad points to a political forum. All are being mentioned in the above posts. You would think that people would get enough politics in thier daily lives other than our expensive hobby, but I guess not. I couldn't care less if there was a political forum or not. I might go in and get a chuckle once in a while if there was one, but I wouldn't be offended by somebodies differing views.
There is one thing that is being missed here though. It has been brought up about sensoring free speech. This is not a place that that would apply. This is a privately owned website that is here for a specific purpose. If the owner of the site says there will be no political views expressed here then that is the way it has to be. In this little world the owner is god and makes all of the rules. We may not like all of them but if we want to be here, we have to abide by them. So there is no such thing as free speech here. We are allowed to express our views at the sole descretion of the owner.

Your up Joey. LOL

Jack

 

[Longgone]

I`m going to take a wild guess and say that this thread is in response to the thread about the Va. Tech shootings that was deleted. I started that thread because of course, it had just happened and it was big news, I live in Va. and have many friends and family that are in/alumni from VPI, and to say once again that the sanctuary of school had been taken away by a suicidal madman. This incident has profoundly affected so many Virginians across the state. There are tributes to the victims everywhere you go and people wearing Tech shirts and school colors. I know that a story like the Va. Tech shootings brings out a lot of strong opinions and I personally like to hear what everybody has to say. I don`t think people should resort to making verbal attacks on others because they don`t agree with that persons opinion. I would like to see FABO stay relatively open to all topics (as heated as they might get) as well as of course our Mopars.