Starter not engaging converter

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hotrod swinger

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1966 Valiant Slant Six

fresh build, has never been fired, no starter installed

bought a starter from parts store. Installed it, pinion spun but didn’t engage the converter. Grinding.

Returned starter thinking it was defective. Same thing with replacement.

I have tried charging the battery, and I tried using a known good battery. Same problem.

any ideas?
 

are you sure it is the correct starter? Hopefully someone who knows about those will chime in but it almost sounds like either there are different starters for different flex plates or the bendix is too short to fully engage.
 
Canadian-built '62-'66 Slant-6 cars used a direct-drive starter setup, similar to that used on US/rest-of-world '60-'61 Slant-6 cars, but nowtimes most of the parts cattledogs are American and that difference is not accounted for. The direct-drive starter uses a different ring gear than the gear-reduction starter used on US cars starting in '62. The Canadian-spec ring gear has an OD of 318mm and 148 teeth, and is meant for use with a starter having a 9-tooth, ø25mm drive pinion. The US-spec ring gear has an OD of 312mm and 122 teeth, and is meant for use with a starter having a 10-tooth, ø33mm drive pinion.

The Canadian-type starter will not engage the US-type ring gear; it'll just sit there and spin. The US-type starter will not engage the Canadian-type ring gear; it'll clash.

Parts store "remanufactured" starters (of whatever variety) are generally a bad gamble; they tend to be junk, but please post a pic of the starter(s) you have on hand—here's hoping you didn't hand in your original when you bought the first parts store item. If you have a Canadian-type starter and a US-type ring gear, I have your get-out-of-jail card (10-tooth ø33mm drive unit for the Canadian-type starter) so you don't have to drop the trans or pull the engine to change the torque converter or flywheel; send me a PM.

If you decide to change to the US-type starter, you'll also need the correct "seal" (metal plate that goes between the starter and the bellhousing; it's different) and you'll have to reconfigure the starter control circuit.
 
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Man, you know your stuff. The old starter that I burned up has nine teeth on the pinion and the replacement starter has ten.

Where can I find the correct starter?
 
Canadian-built '62-'66 Slant-6 cars used a direct-drive starter setup, similar to that used on US/rest-of-world '60-'61 Slant-6 cars, but nowtimes most of the parts cattledogs are American and that difference is not accounted for. The direct-drive starter uses a different ring gear than the gear-reduction starter used on US cars starting in '62. The Canadian-spec ring gear has an OD of 318mm and 148 teeth, and is meant for use with a starter having a 9-tooth, ø25m drive pinion. The US-spec ring gear has an OD of 312mm and 122 teeth, and is meant for use with a starter having a 10-tooth, ø33mm drive pinion.

The Canadian-type starter will not engage the US-type ring gear; it'll just sit there and spin. The US-type starter will not engage the Canadian-type ring gear; it'll clash.

Parts store "remanufactured" starters (of whatever variety) are generally a bad gamble; they tend to be junk, but please post a pic of the starter(s) you have on hand—here's hoping you didn't hand in your original when you bought the first parts store item. If you have a Canadian-type starter and a US-type ring gear, I have your get-out-of-jail card (10-tooth ø33mm drive unit for the Canadian-type starter) so you don't have to drop the trans or pull the engine to change the torque converter or flywheel; send me a PM.

If you decide to change to the US-type starter, you'll also need the correct "seal" (metal plate that goes between the starter and the bellhousing; it's different) and you'll have to reconfigure the starter control circuit.

I’m going to have the original starter rebuilt. It’s an original unit with “Chrysler Corporation Canada” on a steel stamp, 60’s style.

You commented in another thread about my starter solenoid and the Canadian wiring. This would be a great opportunity to go back to Canadian wiring again. What type of solenoid was that? It had an extra post for the NSS.
 
I answered that question (which solenoid to get) in your other thread.

Having the original starter rebuilt by a qualified rebuilder who won't brutalise it, is the best idea. Make sure they take care not to bung up that data plate ("Chrysler Canada" at the top, "Auto-Lite" at the bottom, and probably MDT-6017 as the model number).

Yeah, I figured the parts stores were trying to sell you a starter for a U.S. Valiant.
 
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