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I currently have the complete dash out of my project. I did hook up a battery and instrument panel to test lights, etc...
Side marker, headlights tail and brake lights worked.. Blinkers and hazards didn't, even with new "signal - stats" ( the rectangular two prong plugs ). So, not quite sure what's wrong there. None of the dash lights worked either, except the brake indicator light.
Also, is there a way to test the heater blower and wiper motor with just a battery and panel hooked up..? And, with just the battery / panel set up, could that be a reason why certain lights / functions don't work..?

Thanks,
Greenhorn.
 
First go to myMopar.Com and get a free copy of your car's Factory service manual and an electrical schematic. Classiccarwiring.Com has 11x17 laminated colored schematics, that are easy to follow.

Look for Chrysler tech videos and watch the relivant ones.


Many times things don't work as expected when other things are disconnected. Grounds are broken, needed power feeds are missing .

As for testing... Once you have a schematic you can see which wires are the feed to make the part function.
 
I forgot to add...

What car?
What year?
What modifications?
 
The gauge cluster neesds to be grounded for most of the lights in the dash to work

And you can burn up your gauges if they are hooked up without cluster being grounded
 
The gauge cluster neesds to be grounded for most of the lights in the dash to work

And you can burn up your gauges if they are hooked up without cluster being grounded
You talking about the black wire that bolts on the stud on the back of the cluster...there's a red one as well right next to it..?
 
In DC circuits black is not ground.

The heavy black and red are the ammeter wires.


You really need to get a wiring diagram and start studying.

If you connect the wrong wire to the wrong place you WILL fry your wiring.
 
As for cluster ground the metal of the cluster is the ground. You will notice that there are screws that attach the cir boards to the cluster housing. That is also the ground
 
As for cluster ground the metal of the cluster is the ground. You will notice that there are screws that attach the cir boards to the cluster housing. That is also the ground
I have an original 72 service manual... it has all the schematics.. I will definitely take a good look at it. Thanks for your help..!
 
To effectively diagnose or test electric circuits, you need a multimeter or test light. A multimeter is best, and you can find cheap ones at Home Depot.
 
To effectively diagnose or test electric circuits, you need a multimeter or test light. A multimeter is best, and you can find cheap ones at Home Depot.
I have one... just not sure how to go about using it...lol
 
I have one... just not sure how to go about using it...lol
Might want to take some time and learn how to use the meter or you will destroy it. If you are not familiar with basic electricity and its terms, I would take a break and do some learning. Understanding the difference between voltage, current and resistance and the units of measure and the methods of measuring these will go a very very long way to understanding what is going on.

Remember, the manufacturers of electrical equipment seal the smoke in the components at the factory. Once you let the smoke out, it is destroyed.
 
I have one... just not sure how to go about using it...lol
On any circuit ther is a beginning and an end.

The car battery is typically the beginning and the end. ( Yes I know if the car is running the alternator is the source, but the car is not running right now)

What is in between is the load.

Electrons flow from the battery, most get used in a load and the remainder go back to the battery (just a simplified version of what happens)

To trace out a cir you first have to know where the path goes from the battery plus terminal to the load then back.

The back is the ground which in our (and most older cars) is the car body.

Take the head lights.
The path (simplified) is:
  1. Battery plus terminal
  2. Bulkhead connector
  3. Light switch
  4. Down to the highbeam /lowbeam switch
  5. Back to another terminal on the bulkhead connector.
  6. To the head light connector
  7. Into the headlight filament
  8. Out of the headlight on another terminal
  9. To a ground source (typically the sheet metal of the core support)
  10. Through the metal of the car body
  11. To the ground strap from firewall to the engine block
  12. From the engine block to the heavy cable on the front of the engine
  13. To the negative battery post.

It's just a loop.

If the loop is broken anywhere along the route the lights do not come on.

Like when the headlight switch is in the off position the loop is broken and the lights are off.

As for testing with a multimeter.

You can test to see if you have 12 (nominal) volts and every junction along the way

One end of the tester goes to a suitable ground. The battery negative post is the best but your leads might not be long enough, so a bare metal part of the car body will work (assuming the ground straps are all intact)

Then check for voltage going into the headlight switch.
If you have voltage there move on to the next point in the path.

Some times it is easiest to work back from the load. Till you find power

Example you have a burnt out headlamp,

You could trace the voltage all the way from the battery plus post to the bulb only to find that there is power at the lamp socket, had you checked there first and noted voltage, changing the bulb might have been your first thing to try.

A word on multimeters.

A 12v battery and a wire that is just barely making contact can show 12v on a multimeter but the connection is so bad that if you hook up a load it will drop to 0 or near 0, making the load not work.

A test lamp can find that type of failure easier. If you get a bright light on one end of a path segment and a dim one on the next segment then there is most likely a bad connection in-between.

There is A LOT more to learn but that is the BASIC version of things. Reviewing and understanding the path of each circuit is the first thing to do.

Keep asking questions, post photos, one man's bonnet is another's hood. Less confusion with photos
 

On any circuit ther is a beginning and an end.

The car battery is typically the beginning and the end. ( Yes I know if the car is running the alternator is the source, but the car is not running right now)

What is in between is the load.

Electrons flow from the battery, most get used in a load and the remainder go back to the battery (just a simplified version of what happens)

To trace out a cir you first have to know where the path goes from the battery plus terminal to the load then back.

The back is the ground which in our (and most older cars) is the car body.

Take the head lights.
The path (simplified) is:
  1. Battery plus terminal
  2. Bulkhead connector
  3. Light switch
  4. Down to the highbeam /lowbeam switch
  5. Back to another terminal on the bulkhead connector.
  6. To the head light connector
  7. Into the headlight filament
  8. Out of the headlight on another terminal
  9. To a ground source (typically the sheet metal of the core support)
  10. Through the metal of the car body
  11. To the ground strap from firewall to the engine block
  12. From the engine block to the heavy cable on the front of the engine
  13. To the negative battery post.

It's just a loop.

If the loop is broken anywhere along the route the lights do not come on.

Like when the headlight switch is in the off position the loop is broken and the lights are off.

As for testing with a multimeter.

You can test to see if you have 12 (nominal) volts and every junction along the way

One end of the tester goes to a suitable ground. The battery negative post is the best but your leads might not be long enough, so a bare metal part of the car body will work (assuming the ground straps are all intact)

Then check for voltage going into the headlight switch.
If you have voltage there move on to the next point in the path.

Some times it is easiest to work back from the load. Till you find power

Example you have a burnt out headlamp,

You could trace the voltage all the way from the battery plus post to the bulb only to find that there is power at the lamp socket, had you checked there first and noted voltage, changing the bulb might have been your first thing to try.

A word on multimeters.

A 12v battery and a wire that is just barely making contact can show 12v on a multimeter but the connection is so bad that if you hook up a load it will drop to 0 or near 0, making the load not work.

A test lamp can find that type of failure easier. If you get a bright light on one end of a path segment and a dim one on the next segment then there is most likely a bad connection in-between.

There is A LOT more to learn but that is the BASIC version of things. Reviewing and understanding the path of each circuit is the first thing to do.

Keep asking questions, post photos, one man's bonnet is another's hood. Less confusion with photos
Excellent post!
 
Side marker, headlights tail and brake lights worked.. Blinkers and hazards didn't, even with new "signal - stats" ( the rectangular two prong plugs ). So, not quite sure what's wrong there. None of the dash lights worked either, except the brake indicator light.
Also, is there a way to test the heater blower and wiper motor with just a battery and panel hooked up..? And, with just the battery / panel set up, could that be a reason why certain lights / functions don't work..?
The blinkers get power through the key switch. Hazards do not. Brake indicator does not. Wipers and blower are powered through the key switch 'accessory' terminal.

I'll add to Dana's description the following:
In the standard power scheme, power to run the car and accessories is distributed from a welded splice.
Using your finger follow the line from the battery positive terminal.



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Everything connected to the battery positive is hot.
Up to the switches, everything connected to the battery is at battery voltage.

Voltage should be the same everywhere that is connected to battery positive. You can measure it at the alternator 'Batt' terminal or at the fusebox, it doesn't matter.

If you think of current like a river of electrons flowing, with all the switches off, the river is blocked. Pressure behind the blockage is the same everywhere. That pressure is the voltage.

In the schematic above, the ammeter shows zero because no electrons are moving. They're just very excited and ready to move when a path to ground becomes available.
The ammeter is not a switch; inside its a U shaped metal plate that creates a small magnetic field when the electrons are moving through it. The magnetic field deflects the needle to indicate how much the battery is discharging or charging.

On a handheld multimeter, you can use the DC Voltage settings on a circuit that is hooked to power.
Use the resistance and continuity settings only when the circuit has no power connected to it.
Disconnecting the negative of a battery before the positive makes it impossible to accidently ground the hot terminal with the wrench or a wedding band.
 
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The gages on a '72 may get their power from the ignition run terminal on the key switch. The shop manual diagram will show if that's so.

The illumination lamps on the dash get power from a branch off the light circuit. This branch comes off the headlight switch, goes back to the fusebox (tan wire) and has a 2 or 3 amp fuse. After the fuse its an orange insulated circuit.
 
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