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Have a buddy with a 74 Dodge truck.It has a 360 with iron heads,small cam,340 cast intake,has a dizzy with no vacume pod race dizzy, kith black pistons,he does not know what compression.It pings. he has been trying to time it for the last 2 years,to get rid of the ping.I went over the outher day to help.He had the timing set at 10,and it would stall,so i set it up at 18 and full advanve is 28,runs great put it still pings,he has tryed octane booster but still pingen,can anyone tell me what to try next,no clue as to what head gaskets are.Hes has had the timing at 12 and it pings, could it be the dizzy?
 
I agree that lean could be suspect, also might check the plug range/gap. Does it seem to have plenty of power???? Does it cough through the carburetor???? Yes, you could swap in a different dizzy in 5 minutes to see how it acts. 2 years is way too long to not try a different dizzy..... lol
 
He has an edelbrock 650 he has done the jet change,when he stomps on it there is a little black smoke in park tho,has lots of power,does not cough.no have not check tdc,I could be wrong but when he retard timing runs like crap no power,when i got there and set up the carb and timed it runs like a champ,but still pingsss.
 
Has tdc on the damper been verified with a piston stop? Damper could have slipped throwing the marks off

Yes, verify TDC...

You don't know if the outer ring of the damper has spun or not...


Find true TDC and go from there...
 
I agree to verify TDC, but the fact that you moved the dizzy around and couldn't get rid of the "ping" is an indication that proving TDC isn't going to cure this pinging. Most motors allow more than a few degrees one way or the other before you get pinging.
Black smoke is a sign of way too much gas on start up, but doesn't indicate whats going on when driving it. Does the pinging get louder when you load the motor, like "heavy acceleration or going up a hill".?
 
What fuel is he running? Has he tried 93?

Take compression readings on all cylinders to see where the compression pressure is. It could be just to much CR with a small cam and that will show up in the pressures. You need this as a baseline of info to see where to go.

I'd be pulling the heads or going through the papers to see what KB pistons he has first thing. Same reason as above.... it's silly to try to work on an unknown engine combo.
 
Bad Sport to tell you the truth i have not heard it as yet just going by what he has told me.
You will not know exactly what's going on till you look at it yourself. Everything else is guess work.
 
Bad Sport to tell you the truth i have not heard it as yet just going by what he has told me.
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You say you were there and runs great, but then say you weren't there?

Im confused. ...pretty hard to fix the issue on an unknown combo.
 
i had a similar problem with a cam with 110 centers , overlapping in/ex lubes , in a b motor and 650 cfm afb , needed more fuel to stop getting hot and pinging . i even blocked off the heat transfers in the heads . reduced the size of the metering rod to help with extra fuel . i used a temp gun to find the hot cylinders and see the different in readings on one side at a time . used a dial indicator to size the rods , there stepped so make sure your reading the right section of them for your problem rpm range .
 
After all that^^^Get rid of the in-chamber heat and/or hot-spots.What gears is he running? What tire size?TC stall?Headers and duals?
Of course, I would set the T-port sync and slow that timing curve, and vacuum advance is a must in a heavier street vehicle. I would back up the timing to closer to 12*, if the T-port sync allows it, then I would put a 2-stage timing curve in it to get about 28* at 2800, then slow it down to in the range of 32 to 36 by much later, say 3600rpm.After the ping is gone in power mode, I would put the biggest V-can on there I could find. I would set it loose to bring in all the missing advance at part throttle, and tune that baby for driveability. .
Is there a chance you are forcing idle-timing on her?
You said you set it to 18 and it had 28 all-in; that's just 10 in the dizzy. This is not going to work,no-how.If he had it at 10*initial, it would have been 20*all-in; which would suck for power, and it shouldn't have pinged unless all-in was at 1500rpm or some other equally ridiculously early rpm. That dizzy is all wrong for this application.
I would suggest a regular LC teener type dizzy. Something with a Vcan, and at least 20*to 24* in the centrifugal. Most of those old girls already have the 2-stage curves in them.Just borrow one from a pre-leanburn car around 73 up.Drop it in , set the power timing to 34* at 4000rpm and roadtest it without the Can hooked up.
If that pick-up is stuck with 2.76s,32s,an1800TC,and a wiener single exhaust system,there may not be much you can do, but the slow curve is a step in the right direction.Trade that race-dizzy away ASAP.
 
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Like was mentioned slow down the advance rate. What advance springs in the distributor? If it's a race type distributor they may be very light springs, combine that with a heavy truck and it will ping. When I put the MP distributor in my car it had very light springs for full advance very early, it pinged like crazy until I changed springs to slow down the advance a little.
 
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AJ/FormS I got you, as i said get rid of the race dizzy,he does have an 8 3/4 323, duel exhaust 1800 convertor.Stock cast exhaust manifolds. I feel for him he just want to drive and have some fun with it,he had someone build the 360,but he never got all the spects on what the builder used.Dumb I know.
 
I have tuned very few engines on which I actually knew the specs. I let the engine talk to me.
I only tune streeters. The cams and cylinder pressures on these usually fall into a pretty narrow window.I stick to what I know. Sometimes I accidentally wander into the RacersForum and get my azz kicked.
Cylinder pressure is a very useful thing to know.
 
Agree, AJ/FormS, that the engine will tell you what it wants. For instance, I never tell an engine where it needs to run for full advance timing, I let the engine tell me. If it likes 34, then 34 it is. If it likes 44, then 44 it is. Same with jetting.... And I too will wonder over to the Racer Forum..... LOL
 
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