moparmark65
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Well you quoted me in your response! So Theres that?
Upgraded headlights
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Ant
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You replied to my comment about LED headlights. You did not specify that you were talking about something else which I will now assume, and then told me to educate myself. So it seems like you misunderstood my first grumpy comment about LED headlights. It's ok, we are human.
jos51700
Green Bearing thread connoisseur
I got my Toyota kits in and for the price, they're phenomenal. Not as nice as Crackedback kits I've seen, but a bargain for what you get.
Does anyone have a part number for the same kit except for rectangular headlights like my '92 Rams use?
Does anyone have a part number for the same kit except for rectangular headlights like my '92 Rams use?
Moparman485
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How much modification was needed to attach the supplied harness to the oem wiring? And did you use the supplied relays, or just splice on the new connectors and call it a day? (I do not currently have the kit but it is very high on my list of possibles due to what I’ve read about them thus far) (73dart 4dr)
Professor Fate
Push the button, Max...
The whole point of the kit is to use the supplied harness with relays. The kits have heavier gauge wire to supply the increased load of the H4 lamps. The factory light switch is not designed to handle that amount of current, so it is used simply to supply the trigger current to the relays which handle the additional load. So of course you need to use the relays.
Both kits (Toyota or Crackedback's) are designed to simply plug into the existing harness connectors, with the only wiring addition being a fused power supply (bat +) and a ground. Any mods to the harness would simply be to clean up the installation, not for functionality. And Crackedback's harness (as he previously said) comes custom tailored to your application.
Professor Fate
Push the button, Max...
I thought '92s already had halogen headlamps right from the factory.
jos51700
Green Bearing thread connoisseur
Battery and plug in relays in one of your old headlight connectors. It's got ring terminals and comes with everything. Simple as can be. Toyota kit came with both lights, connector grease, zip ties, all of it. It's actually cheaper than buying two sealed beams or even just two H4 bulbs at my local Walmart. Craziness.
Sealed beams, yes. I like the H4 though. More options
Also, these are the desired E code bulbs with a different beam pattern.
My ONLY concern is Dan will not approve.
Edited to add: I'm not sure how wide the average Toyota is, but these kits give you PLENTY of excess wire so you can route it. The crackedback kit I saw was made like it was built for the car, with the Toyota kit you'll have extra wiring for the battery leads that will need to shortened or coiled up.
Professor Fate
Push the button, Max...
'92 should be 7x6 rectangular lights.Sealed beams, yes. I like the H4 though. More options
Also, these are the desired E code bulbs with a different beam pattern.
My ONLY concern is Dan will not approve.
Just get the rectangular housings and use them with the Crackedback or Toyota kit.
Not saying these are the best, but as an example:
Pardon Our Interruption...
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I attached the power wire on my @crackedback kit directly to the charge wire on the back of the alternator. That way, there's less voltage drop and the headlights see alternator voltage.
How many fuses are on the toyota kit?
One line leaving each relay to headlights? That means they aren't home runs, there is a bridge somewhere. My kit for a 2 headlight car has no bridging of the power, home runs to each headlight.
Unfortunately I can't work for 25 cents an hour and a bowl of Ramen, along with a different level of quality and design.
One line leaving each relay to headlights? That means they aren't home runs, there is a bridge somewhere. My kit for a 2 headlight car has no bridging of the power, home runs to each headlight.
Unfortunately I can't work for 25 cents an hour and a bowl of Ramen, along with a different level of quality and design.
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jos51700
Green Bearing thread connoisseur
If your alternator belt comes off do they still see power from the battery?
2 relays, 2 fuses, but only connects to one headlight wire (as a switch for the relay.
I saw one of your kits on someone's car at a car show, it was very clean as installed. The Toyota kit seems like production-tier parts and there's lots of extra wire. I remember your kit having really nice components.
I'm just poor as hell.
I already have Crackedback's kit installed using sealed beams. I'm buying the Toyota kit solely for the lamps. For under $20, they're a bargain. The relays and the rest of the kit may be used for something else.
My hard parts alone cost more than that Toyota kit.
I can buy those kits that octane/ebay sell for about $5 landed. Had a few sent to me by unhappy buyers and they are hit/miss on connections/crimps/terminations. I wouldn't use those kits on anything I own.
The Yota kit looks better than the cheap ebay units.
Pick your parts, pay your money
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Well of course.
jos51700
Green Bearing thread connoisseur
I ordered a few of these because the shipping wasn't bad, but I'll use the wiring for horn relays and crap on my big truck and keep the bulbs in case I butter finger one.
Now that I think about that, duh. I shoulda known that.
Meh, it was a legitimate question. I rarely think of everything.
Mattax
Just the facts, ma'am
He's posted in other threads that these lamps are very decent, and the package is a hell of deal.
I can't recall off the top of my head what he posted about the bulbs.
I see you already answered yourself.
Only time I had the alternator belt come off on its own was the drag strip. That's another story. LOL.
But to your point, I had an alternator die and had to make my way back to a friends house, partially in the dark. It works fine. Its a longer route from the battery to the lamps but still avoids going through the headlight switch and dimmer connections and the 18 gage wires to the lamps. So I think still less resistance overall than the original circuit.
Now there was one time (using my own home made relay system) that the head lights did go out.
The short version of the story is that the original headlight wires were chafing against the headlight bucket and causing the circuit breaker in the headlight switch to open.
I totally agree. Maybe it fits perfect in an older Land Cruiser. Certainly better quality parts than most of the junk on e-bay etc. But will need some customizing for other applications. That was clearly never the intent. The intent pretty clearly was to provide decent quality replacement headlights when they couldn't source good quality seal beams. Whether they are making any profit pr even breaking even on these is open to speculation. Some companies have leaders that know its worth a small loss in one area to keep customers loyal and avoid complaints (especially within a community of enthusiasts).
Mattax
Just the facts, ma'am
If the Ram came with 6054s then Stern currently has Kioto in that size.
About $25 more for the pair than the Bosch's he had a few years ago. Could ask if he still has any of the Bosch.
Not sure the Hella "vision plus' lamps in this configuration are as good as the 7" round, but 'Virgil' says they are OK, just use a better bulb than they ship with.
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About $25 more for the pair than the Bosch's he had a few years ago. Could ask if he still has any of the Bosch.
Not sure the Hella "vision plus' lamps in this configuration are as good as the 7" round, but 'Virgil' says they are OK, just use a better bulb than they ship with.
7x6 H6054 Conversion Housings
Is this the best option for a 7x6 conversion housing? http://www.myhellalights.com/index.php/products/auxiliary-lamps/sealed-beam-conversion-headlamps/vision-plus-conversion-headlamp/
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